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Title: BBC Documentary Podcast
Post by: Teddy on July 15, 2019, 09:08:05 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p07grys7 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p07grys7)
Title: Re: BBC Documentary Podcast
Post by: Teddy on July 15, 2019, 09:34:03 AM
Lucy Ash worked in the USSR in the 90s
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/crossing_continents/3586869.stm
Title: Re: BBC Documentary Podcast
Post by: sarapuk on July 15, 2019, 05:42:16 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p07grys7 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p07grys7)

Just listened to it. It was ok. Nothing that we dont already know about but good for those who are new to this Mystery.
Title: Re: BBC Documentary Podcast
Post by: Teddy on July 16, 2019, 09:46:53 AM
38:41 Arhipov and then Lucy talk about dead birds and animals, and 4 year ban on pastures and wells.
There are no official reports about unusually high number of animal deaths due to possible increased levels of radiation in the area. There are myths but no evidence. Since everybody suspected failure in technologically advanced weapons at the time they could see radiation glowing from every carcass.

On the other hand we have diaries and documents from treks in 1959 and 1960 near Dyatlov Pass. There were no restrictions on using the water from the rivers. Hikers saw Mansi fishing and herding their deer in the area. In 1963 Yakimenko's group placed the memorial plaque on the boot rock. And he also drank the water form the river. You can see documents from the treks on http://tlib.ru.
Trek №1599 - hike in August 1959 http://www.tlib.ru/doc.aspx?id=29782&page=1
Trek №1043 - hike in August 1960 http://www.tlib.ru/doc.aspx?id=29073&page=1
Title: Re: BBC Documentary Podcast
Post by: sarapuk on July 16, 2019, 02:48:50 PM
38:41 Arhipov and then Lucy talk about dead birds and animals, and 4 year ban on pastures and wells.
There are no official reports about unusually high number of animal deaths due to possible increased levels of radiation in the area. There are myths but no evidence. Since everybody suspected failure in technologically advanced weapons at the time they could see radiation glowing from every carcass.

On the other hand we have diaries and documents from treks in 1959 and 1960 near Dyatlov Pass. There were no restrictions on using the water from the rivers. Hikers saw Mansi fishing and herding their deer in the area. In 1963 Yakimenko's group placed the memorial plaque on the boot rock. And he also drank the water form the river. You can see documents from the treks on http://tlib.ru.
Trek №1599 - hike in August 1959 http://www.tlib.ru/doc.aspx?id=29782&page=1
Trek №1043 - hike in August 1960 http://www.tlib.ru/doc.aspx?id=29073&page=1

Very interesting. Its such a shame that the EVENT happened such a long time ago, I mean if it was just a few years after the Event then people would remember things more easily and more accurately and of course important Evidence such as the TENT would still be available. It seems to have taken the fall of the USSR to bring people out of their shells, so to speak. And if it was not for this particular FORUM I wonder if the latest interest by the Authorities would even be taking place. I am sure this Web Site and Forum is the best on the subject. So clearly this Event still has potential for solving.
Title: Re: BBC Documentary Podcast
Post by: Teddy on July 16, 2019, 10:28:31 PM
I think the fact that the authorities are taking interest kind of indicates that they are not involved in a cover up. My opinion is that they didn't like the fact, 60 years ago, that something happened under their noses and they didn't know what it is. Hence the hectic investigation, premature closing of the case and stamp classified. They wanted to find out what are they dealing with but they never did. Because the case is convoluted and the forensics were not what they are nowadays. I do agree that DYATLOVPASS.COM is the best site, and FORUM.DYATLOVPASS.COM is the only forum in English on the subject. Thank you for your participation. I am in charge of the site, but the forum is entirely your domain. I can't be everywhere, so please keep your minds, hearts, eyes and mouths open. There is gonna be development in 2019-2020.
Title: Re: BBC Documentary Podcast
Post by: Teddy on July 16, 2019, 10:32:33 PM
The information about confiscated histological analyzes and samples of the last 4 bodies comes solely from Arhipov. Allegedly, veterans of forensic pathology who worked with Vozrozhdenny and Ganz told him about it. He does not say the names of his sources, he does not give a complete record of the conversation, there are no supporting documents. Rumors spread like brush fire. Everything one says is repeated and spread and no one cares about supporting documents. But then again - there are still documents that are not declassified. If you ask me - we have enough of mystery, why does Arhipov add to this by not naming his sources if it is true?

Samples were taken from the last 4 bodies
Autopsy report of Kolevatov  (https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-345-348?rbid=17743)
Autopsy report of Zolotaryov (https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-349-351?rbid=17743)
Autopsy report of Thibeaux-Brignolle (https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-352-354?rbid=17743)
Autopsy report of Dubinina (https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-355-357?rbid=17743)
and Histological analyses (https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-358-361?rbid=17743) were delivered.

I understand if they didn't show any results after the samples were taken but they did.
Title: Re: BBC Documentary Podcast
Post by: Star man on July 16, 2019, 11:39:08 PM
I think the fact that the authorities are taking interest kind of indicates that they are not involved in a cover up. My opinion is that they didn't like the fact, 60 years ago, that something happened under their noses and they didn't know what it is. Hence the hectic investigation, premature closing of the case and stamp classified. They wanted to find out what are they dealing with but they never did. Because the case is convoluted and the forensics were not what they are nowadays. I do agree that DYATLOVPASS.COM is the best site, and FORUM.DYATLOVPASS.COM is the only forum in English on the subject. Thank you for your participation. I am in charge of the site, but the forum is entirely your domain. I can't be everywhere, so please keep your minds, hearts, eyes and mouths open. There is gonna be development in 2019-2020.

It seems likely that the authorities did not know what happened at that start of the investigation given the actions they took.  Not 100% sure about the end of the investigation.  Maybe it was a bit embarrassing that they could not figure it out and therefore the hurried closure of the case.  I am beginning to think that this is the more likely explanation.

Regards
Star man
Title: Re: BBC Documentary Podcast
Post by: Teddy on July 17, 2019, 12:33:25 AM
Aaah, samples are collected from the first 5 bodies too.
Autopsy report of Rustem Slobodin (https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-95-103?rbid=17743)
Autopsy report of Yuri Doroshenko (https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-104-111?rbid=17743)
Autopsy report of G. Krivonischenko (https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-112-119?rbid=17743)
Autopsy report of Igor Dyatlov (https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-120-126?rbid=17743)
Autopsy report of Kolmogorova (https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-127-134?rbid=17743)

The samples were delivered to the forensic lab on March 10th, the receipt below is part of Case files vol. 2 p.11 (https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-volume-2?file=/resources/340/gallery/Dyatlov-pass-case-files-volume-2-011.jpg)

(https://dyatlovpass.com/resources/340/Dyatlov-pass-case-files-volume-2-011-cropped.jpg?fake=1563348141)

Well, there are no results from the tests ever published. Now you can go one of the two ways to interpret this:
Title: Re: BBC Documentary Podcast
Post by: Nigel Evans on July 21, 2019, 06:36:01 AM
It seems likely that the authorities did not know what happened at that start of the investigation given the actions they took. 
Immediately sweeping the mountain with a team of sappers using metal detectors commanded by a Lieutenant Colonel might argue against this. This is a significant rank of a seniority quite unnecessary for the task? Unless he had to be trusted with a secret in order to know what he was looking for?
Title: Re: BBC Documentary Podcast
Post by: Teddy on July 21, 2019, 07:03:34 AM
Maybe.
Title: Re: BBC Documentary Podcast
Post by: lucid-nonsense on July 22, 2019, 06:19:48 PM
I think the fact that the authorities are taking interest kind of indicates that they are not involved in a cover up. My opinion is that they didn't like the fact, 60 years ago, that something happened under their noses and they didn't know what it is. Hence the hectic investigation, premature closing of the case and stamp classified. They wanted to find out what are they dealing with but they never did. Because the case is convoluted and the forensics were not what they are nowadays. I do agree that DYATLOVPASS.COM is the best site, and FORUM.DYATLOVPASS.COM is the only forum in English on the subject. Thank you for your participation. I am in charge of the site, but the forum is entirely your domain. I can't be everywhere, so please keep your minds, hearts, eyes and mouths open. There is gonna be development in 2019-2020.

It seems likely that the authorities did not know what happened at that start of the investigation given the actions they took.  Not 100% sure about the end of the investigation.  Maybe it was a bit embarrassing that they could not figure it out and therefore the hurried closure of the case.  I am beginning to think that this is the more likely explanation.


To me it seems like they just kinda gave up? They basically went: that's all the evidence we're ever gonna have, and we just can't figure it out, but probably a series of misfortunes and accidents. Let's just close it and go get drunk.

Did they really close it hurriedly? What other tests or means of obtaining evidence could they have used? I mean, they even tested the clothes for radioactivity.

And they didn't open a criminal investigation because there was a 0% chance of them ever making an arrest. Because once again that was all the evidence they were ever gonna have. If they can't figure out what happened, they're certainly not gonna catch who did it.
Title: Re: BBC Documentary Podcast
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on July 22, 2019, 06:45:27 PM
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What other tests or means of obtaining evidence could they have used?


Tree core samples......
Title: Re: BBC Documentary Podcast
Post by: lucid-nonsense on July 22, 2019, 07:14:10 PM
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What other tests or means of obtaining evidence could they have used?


Tree core samples......

This would've told them what?
Title: Re: BBC Documentary Podcast
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on July 22, 2019, 07:35:30 PM
If any radiation was present in 1959
Title: Re: BBC Documentary Podcast
Post by: lucid-nonsense on July 22, 2019, 08:49:33 PM
They know it wasn't, or else everyone's clothes would've been contaminated.
Title: Re: BBC Documentary Podcast
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on July 22, 2019, 11:58:39 PM
Well....  I don't think the first 5 were checked for radiation, and the RAV4 were thoroughly washed.  Starmans idea, and I think is a good one.