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Wolverine / Re: Wolverine
« Last post by sarapuk on Today at 11:53:38 AM »
I really can not see any way that a Wolverine or even a pack of them could be responsible for the Dyatlov Incident. One Wolverine on its own could be dealt with by 9 ADULTS. Several Wolverines could also be dealt with. I think too much as been made of the reputation of these animals. They may be fierce but they are also relatively small. A big Bear may have some difficulty with them because the Bear may not move as nimbly as say a HUMAN. But even a Bear could easily dispatch a Wolverine. Therefore a Wolverine or a pack of them is not going to force 9 ADULTS to abandon their means of survival and walk a mile poorly clothed and equipped. And also if any one was attacked by a Wolverine they would definitely fight back and inflict injury or death on the animal or animals.
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General Discussion / Re: Specific details
« Last post by Nigel Evans on Today at 10:10:16 AM »
However it could easily be explained if they had got those injuries and the den was built to keep them sheltered as they could not return to the tent. 
No it doesn't fit, the den was built for able bodied seated occupants, not people with flail chests or crushed skulls.

We don’t really know that it was built for able bodied people.  The seats were just a reconstruction.

Regards
Star man
Looks like they found four seats to me.

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Publications / Media / Re: Whose body is this?
« Last post by Teddy on Today at 09:52:28 AM »
This belongs here, no need for new topic. This whole topic is about the new body. I changed the subject to "Whose body is this?". Your's is kind of long but you can keep using it.

About the photograph being scratched by Dyatlov Foundation



If they want to hide the photo, why would they even publish it? They scratched the digital scan only, you can see that they showed it to the prosecutors so people don't speculate about this body, exactly what we do right here. They showed it so the prosecutors can dig into other cases Ivanov had to see if there were any other groups dead in the mountain, which will explain the testimony of the senile nurse from Ivdel. Because she says things that are impossible, she washed the bodies, she did it at night, none of this is true. Autopsies were performed in daylight starting with undressing the corpses.

I disagree that if the unknown body is Kolevatov they could have hidden him together with the other three and in the course of the two months Kolevatov "embraces" Zolotaryov the way they were found. The unknown body is obviously frozen, you can't stage his hands. So you think somebody killed them, photographed them, hid them, kept the photos and gave them to Kuntsevitch to scratch out?
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Hi everyone,
This will be my first topic here, because I still don't see any serious discussion going about the newly revealed unknown body.
So one user here in the forum suggested that this is Kolevatov and as I looked into details on big screen I think he could be right. Here are my photo comparisions and what I found out, also what is my theory about the whole case regarding ravine 4.



So what do you thing about the possibility of this body being Kolevatov?
And what do you think about this theory:
I have always questioned the state of decay of ravine 4 . Spent a lot of hours researching through internet about body decomposition in cold water, in cold climate, in normal climate,,, watched about body ferms, avalnche victims, hypothermia vicitms, also how the dead bodies on Everest look like . And nowhere I found proof that for just 10-20 days in running COLD water a body could be so decomposed and not the whle body but ONLY the head. Pay attention on the gruesome photos of Luda and Zolotaryov.s post mortem photos - their bodies have suffered only maceration of the skin, nowhere exposed bones, even fingers have flesh on them.... But the heads???? ALmost bare skulls .... Also I read that eyeballs are actually very hard to decompose, they just shrink or go deeper into eye sockets , but not disappear first from the head. So I have always thinking that the ravine 4 were in the sae mutilated state BEFORE freezing. And they were hidden in the ravine under meters of snow on purpose - to avoid their finding by the searchers and then after snow thaws to explain their state with natural decay and close the case.
Is this body could be proved to be Kolevatov or even a strager with suck badly damaged head found obviously in February this will prove that ravine 4 head injuries are not natural decay and that they were hidden there . Also I think now after assuming this possibility , that the secret behind Dyatlov case is such an important mind shaking thing that even today 60 years after people who know something are threatened to be silent and are afraid to talk or show evidences. For example this body was scrathed from the photos not by authorities but from the people from Dyatlov foundation themselves :O What could be the reason for them doing this ? Aren't they the ones who want the truth to be exposed ? DOes something/someone scared them so much that they scratched it because they had no other options?  I will admit that after long time of supporting the murder by humans theory, now with thinking about that damaged heads with no eyes , with all my logical and down to earth thinking, I am really starting to believe that Dyatlov group had suffered from unknown to humanity weapon or if human weapon so powerful and secret that if the world knows about its exsistance terrible things could happen with the use of it . I know I am going into fantasies but that is pure logic ,,,, and all other theories about human murder and natural causes have flaws .... So after rejecting all the possibilities, what's left, no matter how unprobable it is , is the truth - as Sherlock said :)

Oh one more very important question - on two photos is clearly visible that Kolevatov has no eyeballs too , but in the authopsy report is written that his eyeballs are present and only eyebrows are missing. What do you think ?


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The last photography.

In the last few days in the forum, some are writing about the last photo from Krivonischenko camera. We still do not know whether the picture was taken by one of the Dyatlovs, or what it should show.
So I used horary astrology (an spontaneous idea in the morning) to question if it is true that this image was made by some of the Dyatlovs and it's not just a mistake from exposure.



The answer is yes. Taking photograph I consider to be creative activity, it corresponds to 5th house. His ruler, Sun, is in perfect conjuntion with Chiron! I was suprised that again we get the same aspect as during that fateful night.
The Sun-Chiron conjunction meaning could be: injury due to Sun activity or Lightning. Sun is located in the 12th house, which is a house of everything mysterious and hidden from plain sight.


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General Discussion / Re: Specific details
« Last post by Star man on Today at 09:34:53 AM »
However it could easily be explained if they had got those injuries and the den was built to keep them sheltered as they could not return to the tent. 
No it doesn't fit, the den was built for able bodied seated occupants, not people with flail chests or crushed skulls.

We don’t really know that it was built for able bodied people.  The seats were just a reconstruction.

Regards
Star man
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General Discussion / Re: Specific details
« Last post by Nigel Evans on Today at 06:26:29 AM »
However it could easily be explained if they had got those injuries and the den was built to keep them sheltered as they could not return to the tent. 
No it doesn't fit, the den was built for able bodied seated occupants, not people with flail chests or crushed skulls.
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thank you for your answer, very informative!   bow7

so that kind of panel was used in the UR-100 and the UR-100 it had not yet been developed at the time of the dyatlov incident.
could be a predecessor that used a similar kind of panel, re-used later in the UR-100?

No. The intelligence of mankind develops gradually and now it is difficult present that many obvious technical decisions very long and difficultly took root into the industry.
Before rockets did as planes: power skeleton and filling cover. It smaller weight return (means a parity “durability – weight”), but more resource (time when working loadings are possible). The rocket flies all some 10s minutes (usually from 20 to 30) and after that it is not so necessary completely. The plane should fly for years and have the big reliability. In it basic difference in designing of rockets and planes. 1958 … 1963 is the period when purely rocket technologies in designing and manufacturing of cases rockets accustomed and took root. Before it in industry used old (as plane) technologies only.

it does not involve a specific leap of tecnology, it's just a geometric feature of a panel that makes it more stiff, maybe it could already be in use for some years before the '60s, it worked well, so the design was later adopted for the UR-100 and possibly several other aircrafts.

We speak about rockets. Therefore it is necessary consider that I have just told in the previous paragraph.
It was necessary for possibility of reception such elements covers much multispindle milling machine tools which practically were not used before. Therefore it was necessary to develop and make them in the necessary quantity. It means new races in machine-tool construction. It turns out that one industry demands from another new development. And on it time, means and intellectual energy is necessary. Therefore it very quickly and in advance cannot anything develop.

or specifically the wafer grid stiffening tecnology was totally new, and not invented until the '60 for the UR-100?

I speak about it also. It has been applied then because there was transition from plane to rocket technology in rocket production. Before practically there were no big rockets and there was no technology on which them could make.

I am absolutely a newbie about aircraft engineering, so I'm sorry if my questions are dumb.

You are absolutely right that ask such questions. It will allow understand competently and in detail that occurred. Some people instead start think out a fantasy, therefore quickly get confused in the general course of events.

also in 1961 yuri gagarin completed the first succesful orbit of earth, is it not possible that only 2 years before, some test (maybe just of the vectors) were made with unsuccesful unmanned prototypes, and that some of them fell back off course "in the middle of nowhere"?
if it worked in 1961 it is likely there were preliminary tests a couple of years before, and if some test went not well, maybe the secret had to be kept a secret.

If to consider real history of outer space exploration in 50 and 60th years it is necessary notice that for 5 years in the history of mankind there were many events which was not and will not be already further for such small period. 1957 - there were first rockets which were capable to put into orbit the companion. 1961 - it is year when the person has departed for the first time to space. In this time it was necessary to solve many different problems: from equipment existence in space (the big cold and the big overheat for short time period) to full complex of life-support of the person in space and possibility of the guaranteed returning to the earth. It is very much great volume of work. I am, just, the expert in these problems. There was big intensity in working out and tests of space systems, therefore make that that was faster simply impossible. It was necessary pass from simple companions for scientific equipment essentially new space vehicles + any equipment + land systems + preparation of astronauts (at them skills and ability too could not will appear from anything). Me surprises (from my position of our time) as such in general it was possible. Process of knowledge to man in any way cannot be accelerated. On it is necessary to time so much, how many it is required, instead of it is so much, how many it would be desirable.
Therefore “return to back”, this false sensation when all is already clear and clear. And when all is already made as it is necessary. Actually all much more difficult also occurs much more slowly, than it seems.

even of not, 1200 km is quite a lot, I'd expect there to be some military bases in a 1200 km radius around the area.

You take map of the USSR and estimate the sizes of its territory. Then it will be clear that rockets with action radius in 1200 km could be established in the country only “for this purpose what shoot to the our population...”  grin1 It, of course, joke and if it is serious them established about country borders that “the enemy troops potential” would be within reach. Spend circle in radius of 1200 km from Dyatlov pass and try find there though one border about which there were NATO countries. Then it will be clear, where and as such rockets could settle down.

It is true that for a military team to reach the location in a short amount of time ( less than a day or the hikers would have probably noted explosions in the sky in their diaries the day before) a base and all the infrastructures would have to be relatively near.
do we know the distance of the closest military base that could hypotetically send a retrieve team in the area?

The nearest military part was ~ in 300 km from pass. It were radio engineering armies team which provided communication on territory of the USSR in interests of the defensive ministry. In Ivdel in the end of 1958, and on the East from Ivdel, have started place brigade of railway armies team which began building of the railway from Ivdel to Ob river. They the basic weapon had shovels, and rifles were only for guard duty execution. Than other armies was not closer at that time.
Before to send search group it is necessary ask itself question (and receive definite answer!): what for it is necessary? If such answer is not present, it means it is necessary understand, how you fantasy.

I admit the teory of the rocket/airplane accident as a motive may not be exceptionally strong ( still stronger than others) but I am still convinced that human intervention is the most plausible reason for the group to leave the tent, even if the debries is totally unrelated to the whole accident, and fell on the area decades later.

If it so, please list those signs and the facts which speak about intervention of other people. If such arguments are not present, it will be too fantasy sign. If the person cannot explain to itself (and another) that occurs, it not occasion for this purpose what consider that there was malicious intention of other people.
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Wolverine / Re: Wolverine
« Last post by WAB on Today at 05:25:32 AM »
I'm pretty sure that this smell doesn't go away so easy (cat owner here ;) ) , so the search teams would have felt the smell.
For example if the cat pees on some shoes, they are compromised and I must throw them to garbage. The smells remains for years... (in fact I don't know if it ever disappears)

1.The Smell  glutton (or wolverene) much more proof than a smell of a cat.
2.Even if it is a smell has been muffled by a frost, it should feel in Ivdel when tent and things placed in Office of Public Prosecutor.
3.We saw traces of glutton on March, 12th when we came back from cedar to road to "Ilyich base". Traces have come out of the wood have approached almost to the top of vegetation and have gone back to wood. Therefore it is clear that the glutton in completely woodless place does not go. To it there it absolutely nothing do. About same me told local Mansi.
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Wolverine / Re: Wolverine
« Last post by GeneralFailure on Today at 05:00:14 AM »
I'm pretty sure that this smell doesn't go away so easy (cat owner here ;) ) , so the search teams would have felt the smell.
For example if the cat pees on some shoes, they are compromised and I must throw them to garbage. The smells remains for years... (in fact I don't know if it ever disappears)
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