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A neutron bomb, officially defined as a type of enhanced radiation weapon, is a low yield thermonuclear weapon designed to maximize lethal neutron radiation in the immediate vicinity of the blast while minimizing the physical power of the blast itself

I would think there would still be a significant explosion.. which there wasnt.  Also, you would think this would create MASS amounts of radiation... which there wasn't. 
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Definitely lying on his front. That's the back of his jacket ballooning with water. The front had a zipper and was unfastened.
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You can see Tibo’s hand with one of his two watches being clearly visible. He is definitely laying on his back.

His jacket is filling up with water and covering his head.

I cut out the picture of his body at the evac area and cross referenced it to his body at the ravine. You can get a much better idea of how the body is oriented. 




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Lightning strike / Ball lightning / Re: The Real Ball Lightning theory
« Last post by Nigel Evans on May 25, 2019, 03:01:31 PM »
Just keeping this thread up to date with the relevant conversations happening on other threads.
So it would seem that there is a (very?) strong case for the NO2 theory. I've posted several links of objects or even no object at all! that are producing a plume of either black or orange "smoke" . Google image "ufo plume" or "ghost rocket" for these and more.
NO2 of course changes colour depending on temperature, getting darker as it gets hotter, more orange and more yellow as it cools down to it's boiling point of 21C - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen_dioxide
On contact with moisture NO2 slowly converts to nitric acid and this means that NO2 is poisonous for any creature that breathes air, the lungs slowly lose function as the conversion takes place. N.B in humans this happens slowly in some cases taking two days depending on the degree of exposure. Google "silo fillers disease". On contact with skin the nitric acid reacts with the keratin in the skin to turn it yellow and orange.

So the theory is that during a period of record geomagnetic storms (1958/1959) combined with ionisation from a powerful snow storm from the west, the western ridge of Kholat Syakhl demonstrated visual electro magnetic phenomena that attracted the DP group to camp nearby behind the north eastern ridge and this phenomena was photographed by Semyon, in particular the Plane 2 photo captures a large object illuminating the snow storm below it and the small section of the snow covered hill. The theory is then that they had sadly camped downwind of this area which began producing a plume of acrid NO2 which explains the sudden decision to leave the tent but stand some distance away before descending the hill to the forest lightly dressed unable to return to the tent.
And of course the above theory fits very well with the Chivruay incident. A difficult to understand decision to break camp, half of the group fell ill and found lying in a row on top of the tent 10 metres from the edge of the precipice! Clearly unable to move to a safer location? Simultaneously fell ill? And of course yellow skin. It's a strong fit for the above theory.
And then there's the photograph :-

There seems to be some very black smoke in that picture that imo isn't a dense snow cloud....
Just saying....

Not a very convincing theory. And the black smoke is most likely to be due to some type of photographic error, be it film or camera etc.
All the people in that photo would be dead in say the next six hours. Five of them just lying down using a tent as a ground sheet and never getting up. All fit youngsters.

Something did it.


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General Discussion / Re: New (sorta) theory: deadly slide!
« Last post by Loose}{Cannon on May 25, 2019, 01:23:09 PM »
Thats a good point.....    Dropping a flashlight in any depth of snow would make it alot harder to locate.
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Lightning strike / Ball lightning / Re: The Real Ball Lightning theory
« Last post by Loose}{Cannon on May 25, 2019, 01:19:14 PM »
You would think the people in the photo would at least be looking at it, and the camera operator would have made it the subject rather then the people.  I call bs
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KGB / Radiation / Military involvement / Re: Radioactive Clothes
« Last post by sarapuk on May 25, 2019, 01:18:04 PM »

Yes, but where is the 2 way conversation, etc. Where is the actual dialogue of any conversations that Ivanov had with any of his Superiors in respect of this matter or for that matter any matter  !  ?   !  ?
https://dyatlovpass.com/evgeniy-okishev-2013

You have Posted an Interview between a Newspaper Reporter from Komsomolskaya Pravda and Evgeniy Fyodorovich, not a dialogue involving Ivanov  !  ?
Perhaps they didn't record their dialogues? Okishev said that they happened, what more can you want?


A conversation between Okishev and Ivanov.

Okishev - "Comrade Ivanov we have been ordered to pervert the Soviet justice system and invent a coverup if we value our lives".

Ivanov - "Yes sir, can i expect this order to be written in triplicate and passed through official channels for record keeping?"

Okishev - "Not exactly".

Yes I see your point but lets not forget that in any investigation there will be records of some kind. Where are all those Dyatlov Case Records that must have existed, presumably in written form. The ones between the key players. !  ?  MISSING. Dont you agree.

Why would anybody keep the written record of something that was supposed to be kept secret? It defeats the purpose of doing so and it's completely illogical.

Well if you care to study such matters you will find that even secret organisations have written records of their activities and some of those records are classified as TOP SECRET. Until such time in the future when some of those records may be released in to the public domain. So it doesnt defeat any purpose and is not illogical at all.
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KGB / Radiation / Military involvement / Re: Kolevatov's device
« Last post by sarapuk on May 25, 2019, 01:13:56 PM »
The device was most likely a Short Wave receiver using a preset frequency. Krivonishenko has a "Copper coil" in one of his pockets found by the searchers. As a Radio Ham i use copper wire antennas. If the US wanted to detect radiation in the area they would have had a U-2 equipped with radiation detector do a fly over.

I don't think a flyover would be necessary....  we found out about Trinoble like a week later when radioactive dust on the shoes of powerplant workers all over the planet started setting off the detectors when going to work. 

But to your point....  This is why I laugh at the main theory in Russia that basically states members of the DP group were on a secret mission to deliver radioactive material to American spies for analysis, and said spies murdered the very people that were so kind to deliver it none the less in the most inhospitable weather conditions imaginable.   nea1 Pure rubbish as we have several ways to detect, and analyze their radiation, and catching it out of the atmosphere is one of them.

To many in Russia still to this day, the Americans are a good boogie-man scapegoat.  We have the same individuals in the US ironically that blame the Russians when things don't go their way.

Absolutely. Its a shame that despite the demise of the USSR we still have people today, and many of them in positions of power, who want to pit Russia against the USA. A term often used is RUSSOPHOBIA and clearly it matters not whether there is Communism or Capitalism.

The KGB are back in power and old habits die hard.

The KGB ended with the demise of the USSR. In its place we have the FSB and the SVR. One dealing with internal matters and the other with external matters. Most States have some kind of Security Organisation. And any organisation is only as good as the people in it. And mistakes happen. ETC ETC. The bigger the State the more complicated the organisation can become.
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Lightning strike / Ball lightning / Re: The Real Ball Lightning theory
« Last post by sarapuk on May 25, 2019, 01:02:40 PM »
Just keeping this thread up to date with the relevant conversations happening on other threads.
So it would seem that there is a (very?) strong case for the NO2 theory. I've posted several links of objects or even no object at all! that are producing a plume of either black or orange "smoke" . Google image "ufo plume" or "ghost rocket" for these and more.
NO2 of course changes colour depending on temperature, getting darker as it gets hotter, more orange and more yellow as it cools down to it's boiling point of 21C - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen_dioxide
On contact with moisture NO2 slowly converts to nitric acid and this means that NO2 is poisonous for any creature that breathes air, the lungs slowly lose function as the conversion takes place. N.B in humans this happens slowly in some cases taking two days depending on the degree of exposure. Google "silo fillers disease". On contact with skin the nitric acid reacts with the keratin in the skin to turn it yellow and orange.

So the theory is that during a period of record geomagnetic storms (1958/1959) combined with ionisation from a powerful snow storm from the west, the western ridge of Kholat Syakhl demonstrated visual electro magnetic phenomena that attracted the DP group to camp nearby behind the north eastern ridge and this phenomena was photographed by Semyon, in particular the Plane 2 photo captures a large object illuminating the snow storm below it and the small section of the snow covered hill. The theory is then that they had sadly camped downwind of this area which began producing a plume of acrid NO2 which explains the sudden decision to leave the tent but stand some distance away before descending the hill to the forest lightly dressed unable to return to the tent.
And of course the above theory fits very well with the Chivruay incident. A difficult to understand decision to break camp, half of the group fell ill and found lying in a row on top of the tent 10 metres from the edge of the precipice! Clearly unable to move to a safer location? Simultaneously fell ill? And of course yellow skin. It's a strong fit for the above theory.
And then there's the photograph :-

There seems to be some very black smoke in that picture that imo isn't a dense snow cloud....
Just saying....

Not a very convincing theory. And the black smoke is most likely to be due to some type of photographic error, be it film or camera etc.
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