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Olaydan sonra görülen gökyüzündeki ilginç ışıklar ve cisimler ancak cinler olabilir....Cinler bu dağcıları farketti ve diğer arkadaşlarını da çağırdılar...Ve bu yüzden orada sayısız cin geldi...Ve cesetleri dehşetle incelediler gözlediler.....Cinlerin olayla ilgisi olmadığını düşünüyorum....Onlar sadece seyirciydi.....
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Bu trajedinin en ilginç tarafı şu: Dağcılar çadırdan çok korkup ayakkabılarını bile almadan çadırı yırtıp kaçtıkları halde İgor Rüstem ve Zinanın tekrar çadıra dönmeleri(?)  Bunun ancak tek nedeni olabilir: Korktukları varlığın kendilerine bir şey yapmayacaklarını ummaları....Çünkü çadırdan Sedir ağacına kadar 1,5km yol boyunca ve Sedir ağacı yanında geçen en az 1 saat boyunca bu olağan üstü varlık dağcılara hiçbir zarar vermedi. Bu yüzden bu varlığın kendilerine bir zarar vermeyeceğini umdular....Ve içlerindeki en cesur ve atılgan 3 kişi olan İgor Rüstem ve Zina çadıra doğru hareket ettiler...Fakat olağanüstü güce sahip Süperman çok sabırlı olduğu için bekledi ve en uygun zamanda saldırdı....
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General Discussion / Re: Why did the Dyatlov group leave their tent?
« Last post by sarapuk on January 18, 2019, 03:08:04 PM »
Yes it seems even the experts can not agree. 
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Publications / Media / Re: The First 2nd Opinion!
« Last post by sarapuk on January 18, 2019, 03:01:45 PM »
Very Interesting.  But the original Post - Mortem's should have provided more detail. So it is very difficult for any one even so called experts to say with certainty how the injuries occurred. Lots of words as usual but little substance.
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Also, complexion of body skin, not burned but roasted.
Also, gray hair on the bodies, roasted.
Also, burned tree tops


All fake news.

I'm doubtful about these speculations, too.
Fact is that several of them had plenty of  unusual injuries. Is it just the Sibirean winter that causes abrasions, bruises, cuts, cranial trauma, broken ribs, missing eyeballs? And how likely is it that the majority of a group of 9 people is injured multiple times?

If I didn't know better I'd say this is a hoax.

Whats a hoax  !  ?  We have all the available facts and evidence apart from anything that is missing obviously.  The Dyatlov Mystery is exactly that, a mystery, for now.
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Murdered / Re: Murder Indead
« Last post by sarapuk on January 18, 2019, 02:46:15 PM »
Just o thought on the making the murder look like an accident.

Making them leave the tent without their shoes can only make it look suspicious. So if they wanted to make it look like accident they were not too clever

Who would want to go to such extremes to make it look like an accident  !  ? 
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Publications / Media / Re: The First 2nd Opinion!
« Last post by Nigel Evans on January 18, 2019, 11:31:53 AM »
Brief History:

On April 12th at the Ivanovskoe Cemetery in Yekaterinburg, the remains of Semyon Zolotaryov were exhumed.  Forensic pathologist Sergey Nikitin was tasked with identification of the remains and murder theorist pediatrician Galina Sazonova (Vietnamka) living in Vietnam was in Russia at the time to participate.

The Scapula:

Upon inspection of the remains, it is reported they discovered 3 hairline cracks in the right scapula.  Dr. Sazonova believing the Dyatlov group was murdered believes the cracks are a smoking gun that Zolotaryov received a secondary impact to the scapula that is not related to the already well established impact causing the injuries to his chest/ribs.  Expert forensic pathologist Sergey Nikitin however does not agree with Sazonova and his conclusion is "it was one single impact, Zolotarev was laying on the back at that moment"

Soon after the exhumation, Sazonova joined this forum and explained her position in this thread.
http://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php

On May 4th I was tasked with finding a forensic expert to review Sazonova's theory/findings and was provided with a stock photo of a mans scapula (not Zolotaryov's actual scapula) with illustrations marked in red showing the size and location of three small hairline cracks reported to be on Zolotaryov's scapula. Although the image is not copyright watermarked, I am respectfully not going to post the image in this thread.... yet.  My initial impression was that pediatrician Sazonova was simply seeking an unbias second opinion that will either corroborate or refute her theory.

At this point I proceeded to invest time in researching, comparing, and emailing some of the top forensic pathologist of their field in the US hoping to find a well qualified expert willing to share their knowledge.  Not an easy task seeing that there was to be no funds provided for this professional assessment. 

To my surprise, I received a response from Dr. Daniel “Dan” Schultz whom is the founder, President, and Chief Pathologist for Final Diagnosis, Inc., and has personally performed nearly 6000 forensic autopsies!




Dr. Schultz was given the scapula image, chest injuries image illustrating each broken rib and their locations, links to Semyon Zolotaryov's autopsy report, and all case materials including all available pictures etc as collected on dyatlovpass.com.  He was asked to make an assessment as to whether or not Semyon Zolotaryov's chest and scapula injuries would require 2 impacts/blows, or if its possible with a single impact/blow. 

It is important to note, the scapula information provided by Sazonova herself was used in this assessment by Dr. Schultz

Dr. Schultz's conversation replies are as follows.    thumb1


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Interesting story. A lot to digest, what questions would they like me to specifically address?  And if so, can they provide me with:

1. The original autopsy reports and photos if available for all.
2. The original scene exam/findings relevant to their locales away from camp, mapping.

Just in terms of the images of the serial anterior/right midaxillary and right scapular fractures given the company they keep, I could see this as a single blunt force event to the torso, quite similar to what we see in traffics with the same type of patterning.

In terms of blows to the body by object(s) (overt homicidal type blows) and creating this pattern on Semyon I see this as highly unlikely.
   


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At the face of this, with just the body data on Semyon make an environmental catastrophe such as avalanche, fallen rock/etc, fall himself from a height are reasonable considerations.

If I saw such injuries to ribs/scapula in a vacuum, the last  thing I would think of would be blows by being struck by a person with an object.  The pattern is akin to typical large surface area impact/crush of chest with serial deformity of chest and compensatory breaks away (as in the midaxillary fractures, even the scapula).  That scapulat area is very thin and fragile. I aee this pattern commonly in traffic crashes
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The fall scenario makes perfect sense for the pattern of chest wall injuries and scapula. I do not see that pattern as due to multiple blows (but not impossible  of course).

The situation regarding the eyes, perhaps tongue, etc could certainly be postmortem predation.  I would likely give the original pathologist benefit of the doubt on their interpretation.

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Yes in my opinion, being a doctor who sees such trauma commonly (traffics/falls) they can be caused by a single torso impact. 

Dr. Schultz


Great post and i'd echo others thanks for a qualified professional opinion.


Interesting that he's ruling out an explosion.


Imo falling / sliding into the ravine as a group one on top of the other looks favourite. This negates the need to explain one or more blows.
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Also, complexion of body skin, not burned but roasted.
Also, gray hair on the bodies, roasted.
Also, burned tree tops


All fake news.

I'm doubtful about these speculations, too.
Fact is that several of them had plenty of  unusual injuries. Is it just the Sibirean winter that causes abrasions, bruises, cuts, cranial trauma, broken ribs, missing eyeballs? And how likely is it that the majority of a group of 9 people is injured multiple times?

If I didn't know better I'd say this is a hoax.
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General Discussion / Re: Why did the Dyatlov group leave their tent?
« Last post by Loose}{Cannon on January 18, 2019, 09:47:53 AM »
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2. Such a blow is most likely to have been caused by another human. And quite correctly, it does not have to happen when the victim is on his or her back.


http://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=187.0
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