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General Discussion / Re: Photo number 14 from the searching party
« Last post by Teddy on Today at 05:28:44 AM »
Maybe it is sad to admit, but this case occupies best deal of my life. I hope this helps for some resolution.
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All these photos are hoarded from many many sources. This particular photo was found alone. It is not odd that this one has a writing and the others - don't. Sometimes I delete and cut the writings (see the example below). The photos are not as strictly organized as you see them. They are scattered all over the place. They seem to be together on my site only. On the photo you are referring to the writing doesn't interfere so I left it be. It was very common for photos to be cropped and written over. I usually copy the writings and translate so they can be legible for the English speaking audience. Here is an example.
On the site: https://dyatlovpass.com/gallery-1959-search-part2
The original:


And we English-speakers owe you a serious debt for your translations and putting every shred of remotely available evidence--so long as it is legit--in one place and built this site where many of the Russian experts pop in from time to time to entertain the Western audience. It's amazing Teddy. You've done such an amazing thing here--a tribute that does justice to the nine victims so that the world can mourn their tragic and mysterious end.
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General Discussion / Re: BBC Documentary Podcast
« Last post by sarapuk on July 15, 2019, 05:42:16 PM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p07grys7

Just listened to it. It was ok. Nothing that we dont already know about but good for those who are new to this Mystery.
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Yeti / Snowman / Re: Exploring The Yeti Theory
« Last post by Star man on July 15, 2019, 03:24:10 PM »
We can explore the YETI THEORY. It may take time though. We dont have much to go on regarding the Dyatlov Incident. We could use Incidents from the past to compare Events. Stories of strange creatures and legends and reports of witnesses sightings etc.

Hi Srarpuk,

Past eye witness accounts and stories would be useful.  Do you know of any?  Of course it will take time thrash this one out.

Regards

Star man

Well I have read many books and articles over the years and with the Internet getting better all the time more information is coming to light. I think a good idea would be to look at SIMILARITIES, obviously its unlikely we will come across an exact event. So similar instances where there have been reports of such creatures and any injuries to animals including Humans. Also any reports of UFO's in the vicinity of such sightings or events. Now I know about a famous story from ALASKA from the 1930's mostly, and here is an interesting link to get that particular ball rolling. https://www.alaskamagazine.com/articles/somethings-afoot-in-port-chatham-century-old-rumors-persist-of-a-terror-in-the-mountains/

It is an interesting story.  So many disappearances and eye witness sightings.  I have read stories where the creature is very cautious, keeping its distance from humans.  And other stories where the creatures gain confidence slowly approaching and becoming progressively more aggressive.  Kind of like testing the water to understand if the humans are a threat. 

It's interesting that there are so many stories from a varied array of people and yet no evidence.   Have you seen the you tube video about Dr Mathew Johnsons encounter at the Oregon caves?  It's in two parts.  Whether he saw a big foot or now he certainly believes that he saw one.  Worth a watch.  He suffers post traumatic stress from his experience and re-lives the fear each time he tells the tale.  Difficult to fake those emotions.

Wrt to the Dyatlov case I am looking for objective evidence or at least clues as to where to look.  Could there still be evidence today?

Given modern forensic science I think the bodies of Lyuda, Semyon and Thibo may hold significant clues to what happened.  Could do with some "cold case" investigators on the DPI.  The bones could reveal a lot of information:

Were the injuries caused by:

A fall (possible)

Applied slow pressure and crushing (unlikely) given the double fracture lines but not impossible

An impact from a melee attack ( again unlikely even from a yeti). I think even an 8 to 10 foot hominid would struggle to generate 2.5 tonnes of force from a hand

A large round smoothish 150 to 300 kg bolder dropped from about 1 to 2 metres - actually this one may be credible for the legendary Yeti.  Probably even 2 humans.  I'm not sure how much discussion there has been on heavy bolders falling onto them?

Regards

Star man
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General Discussion / Re: Specific details
« Last post by sarapuk on July 15, 2019, 02:20:16 PM »
Hello, Sarapuk.

It is normal to be scared, of course, and fear is a natural sense.  [[ CORRECT ]]
 
But the very reason for it is a different thing. There seem to be a difference, let`s say, if you are scared because of a real (physical or other natural phenomenon) threat, and if you see a purple half-werewolf/half-dragon creature. If you can`t make a difference between the real and not real, that means your actions are triggered by something irrational – could be hallucinations or panic attack or who knows.  [[ WE DONT KNOW THE REASON SO ITS PURE SPECULATION ]]

Of course we don`t know the true reason, that is why we are here. To speculate.
[[[[ Well some of us are here to try other things other than pure SPECULATION]]]]

 
And whatever made them flee the refuge brings mixed emotions. They seem to left the tent in a hurry, [[ THEY CERTAINLY LEFT IN A HURRY BY ALL INDICATIONS ]]

All indications, except the footprints.

 
It is indeed very difficult for me to see only a bunch of scared young men, who were all about rational conduct. That is why I argue, that the whole ordeal looks like a creepy mixture of both irrational and rational actions, [[ IT CAN BE ARGUED, BUT THE ESSENCE IS THE SAME, THEY WERE SCARED OF SOMETHING AND BEHAVED ACCORDINGLY ]]

They were scared, and behaved strange. They got out of the tent, suspiciously dressed and organized. Or you suggest, that it is alright to get out in panic from a tent in the middle of the winter night, in a remote area, and then calmly go down a slope for a 1,5km?    [[[[ I REPEAT, THEY WERE SCARED OF SOMETHING AND BEHAVED ACCORDINGLY ]]]][[[[  I have not suggested that they got out in a panic and calmly went down a slope for a 1.5 km.  ]]]]

 
As for the “mutilations”, and you probably describe Lyuda, since you mention this every once in a while, I still struggle to see it so strange. Rotting for months in snow, thaw and later running water in a creek, plus probably rodents and small predators, seems like a good natural explanation, [[ SO YOU SEE NOTHING STRANGE IN THE FACT THAT ONLY A CERTAIN PART OF THE BODY WAS AFFECTED. AND WHAT ABOUT THE MENTION OF THE HYOID BONE IN THE AUTOPSY, ONE OF THE STRONGEST BONES IN THE HUMAN BODY. AND WHERE ARE THE REPORTS OF ANY ANIMALS OR BACTERIA  ]]

Of course I don`t see it that strange. It is not necessarily the whole body, that is exposed to the elements or predators to the same extent. Lyuda wasn`t lying on her back in a plain and simple pose in an open field. None of the rav4 was. Her specific body positon might explain what you call a “mutilation”. The thyroid bone provides attachment to the muscles of the floor of the mouth and the tongue above, the larynx below, and the epiglottis and pharynx behind. When the muscles are gone, like it is mentioned by the coroner,  you are likely to observe “extraordinary mobility”, as it is stated in the autopsy report. The coroner never mentioned, that the bone was broken or twisted, ot something.
[[[[ I find it interesting that the AUTOPSY mentions the HYOID BONE, so I take it from that that there is some importance to this particular mention, of which there is, like so much else in the Dyatlov Case, very little detail. Or some times NO DETAIL AT ALL. ]]]]

We don’t know if there are any reports about animals or bacteria, but we can use some common sense, can`t we? You can find bacteria everywhere, especially where a body is rotting. Also, I think it is safe to blame small predators and rodents, which we all know that exist.

 [[[[ Common sense seems to be missing from much of the original investigation !  ?  NO SPECIFIC DETAILS OF PREDATORS OR BACTERIA. ]]]] NO SPECIFIC DETAILS OF THE ROTTING OF BODIES. ]]]]

 
UFO`s and strange creatures are millennia old sightings, you are right. But most of them still remain unexplained. [[ CORRECT  ]]

“Unexplained” is not equal to “they exist”. [[[[ who said it was ]]]]Until we have actual empirical experience, not just claims, they will remain simply unexplained. [[[[ Sightings and such like can be considered as evidence. Evidence of something, whatever that something is.]]]]
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Yeti / Snowman / Re: Exploring The Yeti Theory
« Last post by sarapuk on July 15, 2019, 01:49:28 PM »
We can explore the YETI THEORY. It may take time though. We dont have much to go on regarding the Dyatlov Incident. We could use Incidents from the past to compare Events. Stories of strange creatures and legends and reports of witnesses sightings etc.

Hi Srarpuk,

Past eye witness accounts and stories would be useful.  Do you know of any?  Of course it will take time thrash this one out.

Regards

Star man

Well I have read many books and articles over the years and with the Internet getting better all the time more information is coming to light. I think a good idea would be to look at SIMILARITIES, obviously its unlikely we will come across an exact event. So similar instances where there have been reports of such creatures and any injuries to animals including Humans. Also any reports of UFO's in the vicinity of such sightings or events. Now I know about a famous story from ALASKA from the 1930's mostly, and here is an interesting link to get that particular ball rolling. https://www.alaskamagazine.com/articles/somethings-afoot-in-port-chatham-century-old-rumors-persist-of-a-terror-in-the-mountains/
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Yeti / Snowman / Re: Exploring The Yeti Theory
« Last post by sarapuk on July 15, 2019, 01:34:37 PM »
It might be worth trying to put some context into this thread.

Scientific discovery can be a slow and sometimes embarrassing process. Especially for the scientific community who have their reputation to keep.

It was difficult for them to accept that the world wasn’t flat after all.  Maps had to be re-drawn and trade routes thought through again because our shipping was no longer going to fall off the edge.

Oh and by the way the earth isn’t the centre of the universe.  That was a bit embarrassing - sorry Galileo.

Wow women can actually learn to read.  That was a bit of a revelation for some.

Say what - you can actually travel faster than 30 mph without suffocating?  Thanks for that one Stevenson.

Oh pants - you can’t actually turn base metals into gold.  I’ll have to buy a lottery ticket now.

Ah - the universe is actually bigger than we thought and it is still getting bigger.  Thanks Edwin.  What would we have done without you.  I don’t need my cosmological constant after all - or do I?

Regards

Star man

And lets not forget a biggy from Albert, nothing travels faster than the speed of light. Well actually something does.
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Yeti / Snowman / Re: Yeti/Merk
« Last post by sarapuk on July 15, 2019, 01:27:58 PM »
Actually this is not a photo of yeti or menk, this is Thibeaux Brignolle, he wears the same jacket like that in the previous photo, also he has a hood (with the jacket). The difference is that this photo is unclear ang you thinh that is yeti or a hominide, what a spooky story could be made. Yeti has eaten Dubinina's tongue, according to an unclear photo let's make a documentary, the mechanism of Discovery Channel brainwashing.
You can not confirm yeti involvement in this situation just because of an unclear photo, most probably of Brignolle, taken by other group member. Lack of evidences. In my opinion 3-4 of the theories are stories for kids not for investigators of a serious crime .
https://dyatlovpass.com/resources/340/gallery/Thibeaux-Brignolle-camera-film3-16.jpg
https://dyatlovpass.com/resources/340/gallery/Thibeaux-Brignolle-camera-film3-17.jpg

Impossible to be certain who or what  ! ?  Sightings of strange creatures are centuries old. Legends abound including the YETI Legend. Of course there is a lack of evidence. Lots of evidence is missing including a vital piece of evidence, THE TENT.
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General Discussion / Re: BBC Documentary Podcast
« Last post by Teddy on July 15, 2019, 09:34:03 AM »
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General Discussion / BBC Documentary Podcast
« Last post by Teddy on July 15, 2019, 09:08:05 AM »
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