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May 22, 2019, 02:12:22 AM
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Nigel Evans



Yes, but where is the 2 way conversation, etc. Where is the actual dialogue of any conversations that Ivanov had with any of his Superiors in respect of this matter or for that matter any matter  !  ?   !  ?
https://dyatlovpass.com/evgeniy-okishev-2013

May 22, 2019, 10:42:39 AM
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Ryan


If the higher-ups were trying to cover it up, why would they order extra tests? Especially if they knew it would reveal something suspicious?
They dudn't order extra tests. The tests we know about were performed privately by Ivanov through his contacts. He was on dangerous ground here having been ordered to stop investigating and create a coverup.

This doesn't seem to agree with the case files. See vol 1 p. 370: https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-370?rbid=17743

Ivanov appeared to have ordered the radiological testing via official channels on May 18. It is also clear from that document that Ivanov already knew, as of that date, that at least some of the four hikers' clothing had radioisotope contamination. The examination he ordered seemed to be mandated by criminal procedure, which would seem like common sense. If law enforcement detects radioactive contamination, then it shouldn't be ignored; of course professionals should be brought in.

The big question is how Ivanov knew that there was contamination in the first place.

May 22, 2019, 01:32:32 PM
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If the higher-ups were trying to cover it up, why would they order extra tests? Especially if they knew it would reveal something suspicious?
They dudn't order extra tests. The tests we know about were performed privately by Ivanov through his contacts. He was on dangerous ground here having been ordered to stop investigating and create a coverup.

This doesn't seem to agree with the case files. See vol 1 p. 370: https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-370?rbid=17743

Ivanov appeared to have ordered the radiological testing via official channels on May 18. It is also clear from that document that Ivanov already knew, as of that date, that at least some of the four hikers' clothing had radioisotope contamination. The examination he ordered seemed to be mandated by criminal procedure, which would seem like common sense. If law enforcement detects radioactive contamination, then it shouldn't be ignored; of course professionals should be brought in.

The big question is how Ivanov knew that there was contamination in the first place.
Read the interview, i've hit Kindle's copy limit!  kewl1 Some fragments :-


"and I, in my turn, received orders from the Obkom to abstain from research into this topic. Supervision of my investigation into the case was taken over by Second secretary of the Party Obkom A.F.Yeshtokin."

the "topic" he's talking about is UFOs and radiation.

"But the investigation must go on, am I not a professional crime investigator, I must solve the puzzle! So, despite the ban, I continued my investigation into this particular topic in conditions of top secrecy, since other theories, such as human or animal attack, a fall under a storm, etc., were excluded based on the gathered data."

McCloskey, Keith. Journey to Dyatlov Pass: An Explanation of the Mystery (p. 142). Keith McCloskey. Kindle Edition.


May 22, 2019, 02:54:58 PM
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Yes, but where is the 2 way conversation, etc. Where is the actual dialogue of any conversations that Ivanov had with any of his Superiors in respect of this matter or for that matter any matter  !  ?   !  ?
https://dyatlovpass.com/evgeniy-okishev-2013

You have Posted an Interview between a Newspaper Reporter from Komsomolskaya Pravda and Evgeniy Fyodorovich, not a dialogue involving Ivanov  !  ? 
DB

May 22, 2019, 02:59:28 PM
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Yes, but where is the 2 way conversation, etc. Where is the actual dialogue of any conversations that Ivanov had with any of his Superiors in respect of this matter or for that matter any matter  !  ?   !  ?
https://dyatlovpass.com/evgeniy-okishev-2013

You have Posted an Interview between a Newspaper Reporter from Komsomolskaya Pravda and Evgeniy Fyodorovich, not a dialogue involving Ivanov  !  ?
Perhaps they didn't record their dialogues? Okishev said that they happened, what more can you want?

May 22, 2019, 08:21:14 PM
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May 23, 2019, 04:29:28 AM
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Nigel Evans



Yes, but where is the 2 way conversation, etc. Where is the actual dialogue of any conversations that Ivanov had with any of his Superiors in respect of this matter or for that matter any matter  !  ?   !  ?
https://dyatlovpass.com/evgeniy-okishev-2013

You have Posted an Interview between a Newspaper Reporter from Komsomolskaya Pravda and Evgeniy Fyodorovich, not a dialogue involving Ivanov  !  ?
Perhaps they didn't record their dialogues? Okishev said that they happened, what more can you want?


A conversation between Okishev and Ivanov.

Okishev - "Comrade Ivanov we have been ordered to pervert the Soviet justice system and invent a coverup if we value our lives".

Ivanov - "Yes sir, can i expect this order to be written in triplicate and passed through official channels for record keeping?"

Okishev - "Not exactly".

May 24, 2019, 12:25:16 PM
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Yes, but where is the 2 way conversation, etc. Where is the actual dialogue of any conversations that Ivanov had with any of his Superiors in respect of this matter or for that matter any matter  !  ?   !  ?
https://dyatlovpass.com/evgeniy-okishev-2013

You have Posted an Interview between a Newspaper Reporter from Komsomolskaya Pravda and Evgeniy Fyodorovich, not a dialogue involving Ivanov  !  ?
Perhaps they didn't record their dialogues? Okishev said that they happened, what more can you want?

I want EVIDENCE. And any recorded, presumably written, dialogue between key players in this Dyatlov Case would be good evidence.
DB

May 24, 2019, 12:30:29 PM
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sarapuk

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Yes, but where is the 2 way conversation, etc. Where is the actual dialogue of any conversations that Ivanov had with any of his Superiors in respect of this matter or for that matter any matter  !  ?   !  ?
https://dyatlovpass.com/evgeniy-okishev-2013

You have Posted an Interview between a Newspaper Reporter from Komsomolskaya Pravda and Evgeniy Fyodorovich, not a dialogue involving Ivanov  !  ?
Perhaps they didn't record their dialogues? Okishev said that they happened, what more can you want?


A conversation between Okishev and Ivanov.

Okishev - "Comrade Ivanov we have been ordered to pervert the Soviet justice system and invent a coverup if we value our lives".

Ivanov - "Yes sir, can i expect this order to be written in triplicate and passed through official channels for record keeping?"

Okishev - "Not exactly".

Yes I see your point but lets not forget that in any investigation there will be records of some kind. Where are all those Dyatlov Case Records that must have existed, presumably in written form. The ones between the key players. !  ?  MISSING. Dont you agree.
DB

May 24, 2019, 12:58:49 PM
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Yes, but where is the 2 way conversation, etc. Where is the actual dialogue of any conversations that Ivanov had with any of his Superiors in respect of this matter or for that matter any matter  !  ?   !  ?
https://dyatlovpass.com/evgeniy-okishev-2013

You have Posted an Interview between a Newspaper Reporter from Komsomolskaya Pravda and Evgeniy Fyodorovich, not a dialogue involving Ivanov  !  ?
Perhaps they didn't record their dialogues? Okishev said that they happened, what more can you want?


A conversation between Okishev and Ivanov.

Okishev - "Comrade Ivanov we have been ordered to pervert the Soviet justice system and invent a coverup if we value our lives".

Ivanov - "Yes sir, can i expect this order to be written in triplicate and passed through official channels for record keeping?"

Okishev - "Not exactly".

Yes I see your point but lets not forget that in any investigation there will be records of some kind. Where are all those Dyatlov Case Records that must have existed, presumably in written form. The ones between the key players. !  ?  MISSING. Dont you agree.

Missing = confiscated?
The case file doesn't even have an official number? Okishev thought it could be unique.

May 24, 2019, 03:17:24 PM
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Yes, but where is the 2 way conversation, etc. Where is the actual dialogue of any conversations that Ivanov had with any of his Superiors in respect of this matter or for that matter any matter  !  ?   !  ?
https://dyatlovpass.com/evgeniy-okishev-2013

You have Posted an Interview between a Newspaper Reporter from Komsomolskaya Pravda and Evgeniy Fyodorovich, not a dialogue involving Ivanov  !  ?
Perhaps they didn't record their dialogues? Okishev said that they happened, what more can you want?


A conversation between Okishev and Ivanov.

Okishev - "Comrade Ivanov we have been ordered to pervert the Soviet justice system and invent a coverup if we value our lives".

Ivanov - "Yes sir, can i expect this order to be written in triplicate and passed through official channels for record keeping?"

Okishev - "Not exactly".

Yes I see your point but lets not forget that in any investigation there will be records of some kind. Where are all those Dyatlov Case Records that must have existed, presumably in written form. The ones between the key players. !  ?  MISSING. Dont you agree.

Why would anybody keep the written record of something that was supposed to be kept secret? It defeats the purpose of doing so and it's completely illogical.

May 24, 2019, 04:03:00 PM
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Nigel Evans


sarapuk as gypsy says.

May 25, 2019, 12:08:18 AM
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If the higher-ups were trying to cover it up, why would they order extra tests? Especially if they knew it would reveal something suspicious?
They dudn't order extra tests. The tests we know about were performed privately by Ivanov through his contacts. He was on dangerous ground here having been ordered to stop investigating and create a coverup.

But there is no real evidence of this  !  ? We dont actually know what was said between Ivanov and his superiors.
It's all in Ivanov's interview with Leninsky Put in 1990. How long have you been posting on this board?

"The fact is that at the time of our investigation the Tagilsky Rabochiy newspaper published a small article about sighting during the students’ ascent of the Otorten of a Fire Orb, or, as we call it today, an Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) in the sky above Nizhny Tagil. In absolute silence the strange light crossed the sky in the direction of the northern tops of the Ural mountains. The author of the article questioned: what could that be? The newspaper editor was severely reprimanded for this publication, and I, in my turn, received orders from the Obkom to abstain from research into this topic. Supervision of my investigation into the case was taken over by Second secretary of the Party Obkom A.F.Yeshtokin.

McCloskey, Keith. Journey to Dyatlov Pass: An Explanation of the Mystery (pp. 141-142). Keith McCloskey. Kindle Edition. "



https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-344

16 days later and like 500 miles away.     lol1


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at the time of our investigation the Tagilsky Rabochiy newspaper published a small article about sighting

Makes sense...... "at the time of our investigation"......  aka, weeks after they died.   
« Last Edit: May 25, 2019, 12:16:57 AM by Loose}{Cannon »
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May 25, 2019, 05:20:01 AM
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Nigel Evans


If the higher-ups were trying to cover it up, why would they order extra tests? Especially if they knew it would reveal something suspicious?
They dudn't order extra tests. The tests we know about were performed privately by Ivanov through his contacts. He was on dangerous ground here having been ordered to stop investigating and create a coverup.

But there is no real evidence of this  !  ? We dont actually know what was said between Ivanov and his superiors.
It's all in Ivanov's interview with Leninsky Put in 1990. How long have you been posting on this board?

"The fact is that at the time of our investigation the Tagilsky Rabochiy newspaper published a small article about sighting during the students’ ascent of the Otorten of a Fire Orb, or, as we call it today, an Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) in the sky above Nizhny Tagil. In absolute silence the strange light crossed the sky in the direction of the northern tops of the Ural mountains. The author of the article questioned: what could that be? The newspaper editor was severely reprimanded for this publication, and I, in my turn, received orders from the Obkom to abstain from research into this topic. Supervision of my investigation into the case was taken over by Second secretary of the Party Obkom A.F.Yeshtokin.

McCloskey, Keith. Journey to Dyatlov Pass: An Explanation of the Mystery (pp. 141-142). Keith McCloskey. Kindle Edition. "



https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-344

16 days later and like 500 miles away.     lol1


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at the time of our investigation the Tagilsky Rabochiy newspaper published a small article about sighting

Makes sense...... "at the time of our investigation"......  aka, weeks after they died.
https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-209-220?rbid=17743
Sheet 211.
« Last Edit: May 25, 2019, 05:26:37 AM by Nigel Evans »

May 25, 2019, 01:18:04 PM
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sarapuk

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Yes, but where is the 2 way conversation, etc. Where is the actual dialogue of any conversations that Ivanov had with any of his Superiors in respect of this matter or for that matter any matter  !  ?   !  ?
https://dyatlovpass.com/evgeniy-okishev-2013

You have Posted an Interview between a Newspaper Reporter from Komsomolskaya Pravda and Evgeniy Fyodorovich, not a dialogue involving Ivanov  !  ?
Perhaps they didn't record their dialogues? Okishev said that they happened, what more can you want?


A conversation between Okishev and Ivanov.

Okishev - "Comrade Ivanov we have been ordered to pervert the Soviet justice system and invent a coverup if we value our lives".

Ivanov - "Yes sir, can i expect this order to be written in triplicate and passed through official channels for record keeping?"

Okishev - "Not exactly".

Yes I see your point but lets not forget that in any investigation there will be records of some kind. Where are all those Dyatlov Case Records that must have existed, presumably in written form. The ones between the key players. !  ?  MISSING. Dont you agree.

Why would anybody keep the written record of something that was supposed to be kept secret? It defeats the purpose of doing so and it's completely illogical.

Well if you care to study such matters you will find that even secret organisations have written records of their activities and some of those records are classified as TOP SECRET. Until such time in the future when some of those records may be released in to the public domain. So it doesnt defeat any purpose and is not illogical at all.
DB