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August 30, 2019, 10:14:49 AM
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His hands were clutching a sapling branch IIRC.
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August 30, 2019, 10:33:00 AM
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His hands were clutching a sapling branch IIRC.
His position is a curiosity.

August 30, 2019, 10:45:07 AM
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His hands were clutching a sapling branch IIRC.
His position is a curiosity.

And his ankles have injuries that 'could' be attributed to being tied together.
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August 30, 2019, 11:32:36 AM
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Nigel Evans


Or innocent causes.

August 30, 2019, 11:35:21 AM
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'Could' is the key word.

Although its hard to think of anything else that would cause said injuries.   okey1
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August 30, 2019, 11:48:20 AM
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'Could' is the key word.

Although its hard to think of anything else that would cause said injuries.   okey1
The ankles could have been from stumbling through brambles etc.

August 30, 2019, 12:21:37 PM
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brambles

Perhaps, but then this would suggest he had nothing protecting the lower extremities of his legs which simply is not the case. One would assume scratching from brambles etc would have to go through the clothing to get to the skin.  I dont think he was running around the Urals in negative temps but-naked, and he was found having well covered lower legs.

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August 30, 2019, 05:24:17 PM
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Urine related question: does anyone know why a full bladder is consistent with hypothermia?  I thought that in the third stage of hypothermia, the body functions start to slow, i.e. respiration. 

The only reason I ask is because I recently listened to a podcast on the murder of Cheryl Fergeson in Conroe, Texas, in 1981.  Long story short, no weapons were found at the scene--the bathroom in the high school) and she had the imprint of her crucifix necklace on her back.  They correlated cause of death of strangulation based on the amount of urine in her bladder: she had gone into use the rest room and was attacked as she left.  It takes approximately three minutes for someone to die from strangulation.  The bladder fills with 2mL of urine per minute (I think; sorry, I listened to it around two weeks ago and am going from memory) and she was found to have 6mL of urine in her bladder. 

Just more musings.  I'll have to find the exact equation and try to correlate to the findings in the autopsy reports.  It wouldn't solve anything, but might add to a timeline.

Also curious: is there any notation of wounds to anyone's palms?  I looked over Dyatlov's autopsy report and am only seeing the notations about the back of his hand and knuckles.  If he could have sustained injuries at his ankles from stumbling around, wouldn't he also have injuries on his palms?
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August 31, 2019, 02:06:03 AM
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brambles

Perhaps, but then this would suggest he had nothing protecting the lower extremities of his legs which simply is not the case. One would assume scratching from brambles etc would have to go through the clothing to get to the skin.  I dont think he was running around the Urals in negative temps but-naked, and he was found having well covered lower legs.


There's lots of innocent explanations that night and in the days before for the ankles. The ankles are only suspicious because of the arms/hands. It's about the hands.

August 31, 2019, 12:00:45 PM
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Fair enough....

Hell.....  Ball Lightning is starting to look pretty appetizing after all this Cryptozoology talk.   lol1
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August 31, 2019, 01:12:47 PM
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Fair enough....

Hell.....  Ball Lightning is starting to look pretty appetizing after all this Cryptozoology talk.   lol1
So true....

August 31, 2019, 01:20:08 PM
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Urine related question: does anyone know why a full bladder is consistent with hypothermia?  I thought that in the third stage of hypothermia, the body functions start to slow, i.e. respiration. 

The only reason I ask is because I recently listened to a podcast on the murder of Cheryl Fergeson in Conroe, Texas, in 1981.  Long story short, no weapons were found at the scene--the bathroom in the high school) and she had the imprint of her crucifix necklace on her back.  They correlated cause of death of strangulation based on the amount of urine in her bladder: she had gone into use the rest room and was attacked as she left.  It takes approximately three minutes for someone to die from strangulation.  The bladder fills with 2mL of urine per minute (I think; sorry, I listened to it around two weeks ago and am going from memory) and she was found to have 6mL of urine in her bladder. 

Just more musings.  I'll have to find the exact equation and try to correlate to the findings in the autopsy reports.  It wouldn't solve anything, but might add to a timeline.

Also curious: is there any notation of wounds to anyone's palms?  I looked over Dyatlov's autopsy report and am only seeing the notations about the back of his hand and knuckles.  If he could have sustained injuries at his ankles from stumbling around, wouldn't he also have injuries on his palms?
A full bladder is a sign of hypothermia because as the body gets colder it protects the core by constricting the blood supply to the limbs. This reduces the volume of the vascular system which results in the kidneys responding to the increase of pressure by reducing the volume of blood by excreting fluid into the bladder. Because this is in the final stages of hypothermia and the victim is not functioning well mentally they don't relieve themselves but die with a full bladder.

August 31, 2019, 01:47:04 PM
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No, it took many weeks of searching

yup....  but they dug ONE hole and hit the jackpot dead-nuts on a few twigs.    I smell fish

Or the Dogs smelt something
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August 31, 2019, 01:50:38 PM
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Fair enough....

Hell.....  Ball Lightning is starting to look pretty appetizing after all this Cryptozoology talk.   lol1

Maybe there is a link. Could it be THE MISSING LINK  !  ? For Fireballs substitute SPACESHIP. For Cryptozoology substitute ALIEN.
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August 31, 2019, 01:51:47 PM
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No, it took many weeks of searching

yup....  but they dug ONE hole and hit the jackpot dead-nuts on a few twigs.    I smell fish

Or the Dogs smelt something

Welp, the dogs didnt find the rotten bodies just a few meters away under 15 feet of snow as they were found with an avalanche probe with a meat-hook on the end, but they pinpointed a few twigs and clothing?   I call BS.
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October 07, 2019, 08:02:50 AM
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So Yuri K was buried in a zinc coffin.  Were any of the others buried in zinc coffins?

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October 07, 2019, 12:51:41 PM
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No, it took many weeks of searching

yup....  but they dug ONE hole and hit the jackpot deal

Welp, the dogs didnt find the rotten bodies just a few meters away under 15 feet of snow as they were found with an avalanche probe with a meat-hook on the end, but they pinpointed a few twigs and clothing?   I call BS.
Not bs, they'd already built a dam across the ravine some weeks earlier to ensure the meltwaters couldn't wash the bodies downstream.  And they'd triple probed 1500 hectares of mountain with no joy so given the ravine was clearly a favourite location the twigs and clothing with Mansi hunters makes sense imo.