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Night 01-02.02.59.
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Let’s see what stars tell about the tragedy and then compare it to the available informations and try to draw the conclusion.
(Planetary positions in parentheses, in italics.)



The series of events took place far from the public and the outside world (most of the main planets are on the lower half of the horoscope formula) and an ominous shadow lay on it but the tragic end wasn’t written.  It depended on the participants’ free will (Chiron stood together Sun) despite of continuous and drastic changes in circumstances (Uranus-Sun opposition).

At twilight the participants were exhausted by the brave, self-realizing series of events, perhaps an extreme long-lasting changing of place (Leo Ascendens: its “planet”, Sun is in Aquarius in House 6; Aquarius: its planet, Uranus is in House 12 opposite Sun). There were more participants (House 2 is Virgo: its planet, Mercury is in Aquarius; House 3 is Libra) and they formed a sober-minded (Athene is in House 3), caring team (Libra: its planet, Venus is in Pisces in House 7). Although there was somebody who was assigned to them, an “outsider” (Juno is in House 3). The weather could have been extreme, intense wet - rainy or snowy depending on the season -, but it could have change anywhere, the team struggled with elements (Scorpio Neptune is in House 3). Maybe they weren't healthy, someone could have a leg injury between ankle and knee (House 6 is Aquarius) and /or could be exhausted nervously (Aquarius: its planet, Uranus is in House 12 opposite Sun). Therefore, foot injury could also have been linked to being in a forbidden place. Self-realization was greatly obstructed by the circumstances (House 5 is Capricorn, its planet, Saturn is in cardinal position). The team slowly and continuously diverged from its purpose (Leo Uranus is in House 12 opposite Sun). The team leader’s - initiator, lord of the series of events - self-actualizing activity required precision, meticulousness, good logic and/or communication (House I is Virgin) and somehow associated with the conquest of the Earth and its depth or fighting on the surface (Taurus Mars is in House X). He/she had a magical effect on his environment (Pluto sextil Scorpio Neptune in House 3) but he/she was occasionally domineering, predisposed to extremism. He/she wanted to clarify something definitely (Virgo Pluto is in House I), presumably with a mysterious thing at the beginning of the event, perhaps related to his/her work (House IV is Scorpio: its planet, Pluto is in House I; Ceres is in House IV); and /or a secret, karmic love with one of the members of the team (Pluto-Pisces Venus opposition in House VII; Pluto sextil Capricorn Saturn in House 5). Emotions could prevail (Scorpio Moon and Jupiter is in House IV opposite Mars). This is the fate of the participants. The assigned member of the team - the “outsider” - tried to dampen the events with his/her experience but he/she was not determined enough (Juno stood together with Athene in House 3 but forming weak angles with Jupiter and Mars). An inadequate decision was made related to changing of place (Athene kvinkunx Mars) and communication was not appropriate (Neptune quadrat Mercury; Eris is in House 8). After all, they began to build a "home" with full force but in an unfavorable place (Scorpio Moon is in House IV) and inadequately, not stable (House IV is Scorpio; Ceres-Mars opposition).

(To be continued…)
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Steady on, everyone needs to be given their say, and it is to be continued.
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Monty Python are looking for people like you... dance1

Steady on, everyone needs to be given their say, and it is to be continued.
https://thecatandastrologer.wordpress.com/2009/11/07/astrological-humour-significators-monty-pythons/

Yes but to be fair this is someones take on Monty python from an Astrological point of view. Many people take Horoscopes seriously.
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Monty Python are looking for people like you... dance1

Steady on, everyone needs to be given their say, and it is to be continued.

https://thecatandastrologer.wordpress.com/2009/11/07/astrological-humour-significators-monty-pythons/

Yes but to be fair this is someones take on Monty python from an Astrological point of view. Many people take Horoscopes seriously.
Probably more seriously than me....  neg1
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February 20, 2019, 12:01:03 PM
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Night 01-02.02.59.
(1st Part)


Let’s see what stars tell about the tragedy and then compare it to the available informations and try to draw the conclusion.
(Planetary positions in parentheses, in italics.)



The series of events took place far from the public and the outside world (most of the main planets are on the lower half of the horoscope formula) and an ominous shadow lay on it but the tragic end wasn’t written.  It depended on the participants’ free will (Chiron stood together Sun) despite of continuous and drastic changes in circumstances (Uranus-Sun opposition).

At twilight the participants were exhausted by the brave, self-realizing series of events, perhaps an extreme long-lasting changing of place (Leo Ascendens: its “planet”, Sun is in Aquarius in House 6; Aquarius: its planet, Uranus is in House 12 opposite Sun). There were more participants (House 2 is Virgo: its planet, Mercury is in Aquarius; House 3 is Libra) and they formed a sober-minded (Athene is in House 3), caring team (Libra: its planet, Venus is in Pisces in House 7). Although there was somebody who was assigned to them, an “outsider” (Juno is in House 3). The weather could have been extreme, intense wet - rainy or snowy depending on the season -, but it could have change anywhere, the team struggled with elements (Scorpio Neptune is in House 3). Maybe they weren't healthy, someone could have a leg injury between ankle and knee (House 6 is Aquarius) and /or could be exhausted nervously (Aquarius: its planet, Uranus is in House 12 opposite Sun). Therefore, foot injury could also have been linked to being in a forbidden place. Self-realization was greatly obstructed by the circumstances (House 5 is Capricorn, its planet, Saturn is in cardinal position). The team slowly and continuously diverged from its purpose (Leo Uranus is in House 12 opposite Sun). The team leader’s - initiator, lord of the series of events - self-actualizing activity required precision, meticulousness, good logic and/or communication (House I is Virgin) and somehow associated with the conquest of the Earth and its depth or fighting on the surface (Taurus Mars is in House X). He/she had a magical effect on his environment (Pluto sextil Scorpio Neptune in House 3) but he/she was occasionally domineering, predisposed to extremism. He/she wanted to clarify something definitely (Virgo Pluto is in House I), presumably with a mysterious thing at the beginning of the event, perhaps related to his/her work (House IV is Scorpio: its planet, Pluto is in House I; Ceres is in House IV); and /or a secret, karmic love with one of the members of the team (Pluto-Pisces Venus opposition in House VII; Pluto sextil Capricorn Saturn in House 5). Emotions could prevail (Scorpio Moon and Jupiter is in House IV opposite Mars). This is the fate of the participants. The assigned member of the team - the “outsider” - tried to dampen the events with his/her experience but he/she was not determined enough (Juno stood together with Athene in House 3 but forming weak angles with Jupiter and Mars). An inadequate decision was made related to changing of place (Athene kvinkunx Mars) and communication was not appropriate (Neptune quadrat Mercury; Eris is in House 8). After all, they began to build a "home" with full force but in an unfavorable place (Scorpio Moon is in House IV) and inadequately, not stable (House IV is Scorpio; Ceres-Mars opposition).

(To be continued…)

Interesting.  So you're saying there was a high emotions, an extremist who maybe had a crush on one of the girls and things got out of hand?  Or am I a log way off?
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Night 01-02.02.59.
(1st Part)


Let’s see what stars tell about the tragedy and then compare it to the available informations and try to draw the conclusion.
(Planetary positions in parentheses, in italics.)



The series of events took place far from the public and the outside world (most of the main planets are on the lower half of the horoscope formula) and an ominous shadow lay on it but the tragic end wasn’t written.  It depended on the participants’ free will (Chiron stood together Sun) despite of continuous and drastic changes in circumstances (Uranus-Sun opposition).

At twilight the participants were exhausted by the brave, self-realizing series of events, perhaps an extreme long-lasting changing of place (Leo Ascendens: its “planet”, Sun is in Aquarius in House 6; Aquarius: its planet, Uranus is in House 12 opposite Sun). There were more participants (House 2 is Virgo: its planet, Mercury is in Aquarius; House 3 is Libra) and they formed a sober-minded (Athene is in House 3), caring team (Libra: its planet, Venus is in Pisces in House 7). Although there was somebody who was assigned to them, an “outsider” (Juno is in House 3). The weather could have been extreme, intense wet - rainy or snowy depending on the season -, but it could have change anywhere, the team struggled with elements (Scorpio Neptune is in House 3). Maybe they weren't healthy, someone could have a leg injury between ankle and knee (House 6 is Aquarius) and /or could be exhausted nervously (Aquarius: its planet, Uranus is in House 12 opposite Sun). Therefore, foot injury could also have been linked to being in a forbidden place. Self-realization was greatly obstructed by the circumstances (House 5 is Capricorn, its planet, Saturn is in cardinal position). The team slowly and continuously diverged from its purpose (Leo Uranus is in House 12 opposite Sun). The team leader’s - initiator, lord of the series of events - self-actualizing activity required precision, meticulousness, good logic and/or communication (House I is Virgin) and somehow associated with the conquest of the Earth and its depth or fighting on the surface (Taurus Mars is in House X). He/she had a magical effect on his environment (Pluto sextil Scorpio Neptune in House 3) but he/she was occasionally domineering, predisposed to extremism. He/she wanted to clarify something definitely (Virgo Pluto is in House I), presumably with a mysterious thing at the beginning of the event, perhaps related to his/her work (House IV is Scorpio: its planet, Pluto is in House I; Ceres is in House IV); and /or a secret, karmic love with one of the members of the team (Pluto-Pisces Venus opposition in House VII; Pluto sextil Capricorn Saturn in House 5). Emotions could prevail (Scorpio Moon and Jupiter is in House IV opposite Mars). This is the fate of the participants. The assigned member of the team - the “outsider” - tried to dampen the events with his/her experience but he/she was not determined enough (Juno stood together with Athene in House 3 but forming weak angles with Jupiter and Mars). An inadequate decision was made related to changing of place (Athene kvinkunx Mars) and communication was not appropriate (Neptune quadrat Mercury; Eris is in House 8). After all, they began to build a "home" with full force but in an unfavorable place (Scorpio Moon is in House IV) and inadequately, not stable (House IV is Scorpio; Ceres-Mars opposition).

(To be continued…)

Interesting.  So you're saying there was a high emotions, an extremist who maybe had a crush on one of the girls and things got out of hand?  Or am I a log way off?

Or more to the point, with Astrology, Astrologists can differ in the way they interpret the Horoscope. Or should I say construct it to their own liking.
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Night 01-02.02.59.
(1st Part)


Let’s see what stars tell about the tragedy and then compare it to the available informations and try to draw the conclusion.
(Planetary positions in parentheses, in italics.)



The series of events took place far from the public and the outside world (most of the main planets are on the lower half of the horoscope formula) and an ominous shadow lay on it but the tragic end wasn’t written.  It depended on the participants’ free will (Chiron stood together Sun) despite of continuous and drastic changes in circumstances (Uranus-Sun opposition).

At twilight the participants were exhausted by the brave, self-realizing series of events, perhaps an extreme long-lasting changing of place (Leo Ascendens: its “planet”, Sun is in Aquarius in House 6; Aquarius: its planet, Uranus is in House 12 opposite Sun). There were more participants (House 2 is Virgo: its planet, Mercury is in Aquarius; House 3 is Libra) and they formed a sober-minded (Athene is in House 3), caring team (Libra: its planet, Venus is in Pisces in House 7). Although there was somebody who was assigned to them, an “outsider” (Juno is in House 3). The weather could have been extreme, intense wet - rainy or snowy depending on the season -, but it could have change anywhere, the team struggled with elements (Scorpio Neptune is in House 3). Maybe they weren't healthy, someone could have a leg injury between ankle and knee (House 6 is Aquarius) and /or could be exhausted nervously (Aquarius: its planet, Uranus is in House 12 opposite Sun). Therefore, foot injury could also have been linked to being in a forbidden place. Self-realization was greatly obstructed by the circumstances (House 5 is Capricorn, its planet, Saturn is in cardinal position). The team slowly and continuously diverged from its purpose (Leo Uranus is in House 12 opposite Sun). The team leader’s - initiator, lord of the series of events - self-actualizing activity required precision, meticulousness, good logic and/or communication (House I is Virgin) and somehow associated with the conquest of the Earth and its depth or fighting on the surface (Taurus Mars is in House X). He/she had a magical effect on his environment (Pluto sextil Scorpio Neptune in House 3) but he/she was occasionally domineering, predisposed to extremism. He/she wanted to clarify something definitely (Virgo Pluto is in House I), presumably with a mysterious thing at the beginning of the event, perhaps related to his/her work (House IV is Scorpio: its planet, Pluto is in House I; Ceres is in House IV); and /or a secret, karmic love with one of the members of the team (Pluto-Pisces Venus opposition in House VII; Pluto sextil Capricorn Saturn in House 5). Emotions could prevail (Scorpio Moon and Jupiter is in House IV opposite Mars). This is the fate of the participants. The assigned member of the team - the “outsider” - tried to dampen the events with his/her experience but he/she was not determined enough (Juno stood together with Athene in House 3 but forming weak angles with Jupiter and Mars). An inadequate decision was made related to changing of place (Athene kvinkunx Mars) and communication was not appropriate (Neptune quadrat Mercury; Eris is in House 8). After all, they began to build a "home" with full force but in an unfavorable place (Scorpio Moon is in House IV) and inadequately, not stable (House IV is Scorpio; Ceres-Mars opposition).

(To be continued…)

Interesting.  So you're saying there was a high emotions, an extremist who maybe had a crush on one of the girls and things got out of hand?  Or am I a log way off?

Or more to the point, with Astrology, Astrologists can differ in the way they interpret the Horoscope. Or should I say construct it to their own liking.

True.  But I am interested in any kind of different perspective on what may have happened.  If the construct using astrology includes a significant pinch of the authors own interpretation or thoughts then this is just as good because it can bring a new perspective which up to now hasn't been considered.  It probably won't but you never know.

It's interesting because most people who are introduced to the DPI are presented with the several or more common theories which almost immediately biases them to think in a particular way, which then limits true lateral thought. iMO it would be interesting to present the DPI to a group of people Who have never heard of it and just present them with the facts whilst avoiding telling them any of the current theories.  Then it would be interesting to see what they come up with.
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February 20, 2019, 04:00:45 PM
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Night 01-02.02.59.
(1st Part)


Let’s see what stars tell about the tragedy and then compare it to the available informations and try to draw the conclusion.
(Planetary positions in parentheses, in italics.)



The series of events took place far from the public and the outside world (most of the main planets are on the lower half of the horoscope formula) and an ominous shadow lay on it but the tragic end wasn’t written.  It depended on the participants’ free will (Chiron stood together Sun) despite of continuous and drastic changes in circumstances (Uranus-Sun opposition).

At twilight the participants were exhausted by the brave, self-realizing series of events, perhaps an extreme long-lasting changing of place (Leo Ascendens: its “planet”, Sun is in Aquarius in House 6; Aquarius: its planet, Uranus is in House 12 opposite Sun). There were more participants (House 2 is Virgo: its planet, Mercury is in Aquarius; House 3 is Libra) and they formed a sober-minded (Athene is in House 3), caring team (Libra: its planet, Venus is in Pisces in House 7). Although there was somebody who was assigned to them, an “outsider” (Juno is in House 3). The weather could have been extreme, intense wet - rainy or snowy depending on the season -, but it could have change anywhere, the team struggled with elements (Scorpio Neptune is in House 3). Maybe they weren't healthy, someone could have a leg injury between ankle and knee (House 6 is Aquarius) and /or could be exhausted nervously (Aquarius: its planet, Uranus is in House 12 opposite Sun). Therefore, foot injury could also have been linked to being in a forbidden place. Self-realization was greatly obstructed by the circumstances (House 5 is Capricorn, its planet, Saturn is in cardinal position). The team slowly and continuously diverged from its purpose (Leo Uranus is in House 12 opposite Sun). The team leader’s - initiator, lord of the series of events - self-actualizing activity required precision, meticulousness, good logic and/or communication (House I is Virgin) and somehow associated with the conquest of the Earth and its depth or fighting on the surface (Taurus Mars is in House X). He/she had a magical effect on his environment (Pluto sextil Scorpio Neptune in House 3) but he/she was occasionally domineering, predisposed to extremism. He/she wanted to clarify something definitely (Virgo Pluto is in House I), presumably with a mysterious thing at the beginning of the event, perhaps related to his/her work (House IV is Scorpio: its planet, Pluto is in House I; Ceres is in House IV); and /or a secret, karmic love with one of the members of the team (Pluto-Pisces Venus opposition in House VII; Pluto sextil Capricorn Saturn in House 5). Emotions could prevail (Scorpio Moon and Jupiter is in House IV opposite Mars). This is the fate of the participants. The assigned member of the team - the “outsider” - tried to dampen the events with his/her experience but he/she was not determined enough (Juno stood together with Athene in House 3 but forming weak angles with Jupiter and Mars). An inadequate decision was made related to changing of place (Athene kvinkunx Mars) and communication was not appropriate (Neptune quadrat Mercury; Eris is in House 8). After all, they began to build a "home" with full force but in an unfavorable place (Scorpio Moon is in House IV) and inadequately, not stable (House IV is Scorpio; Ceres-Mars opposition).

(To be continued…)

Interesting.  So you're saying there was a high emotions, an extremist who maybe had a crush on one of the girls and things got out of hand?  Or am I a log way off?

Or more to the point, with Astrology, Astrologists can differ in the way they interpret the Horoscope. Or should I say construct it to their own liking.

True.  But I am interested in any kind of different perspective on what may have happened.  If the construct using astrology includes a significant pinch of the authors own interpretation or thoughts then this is just as good because it can bring a new perspective which up to now hasn't been considered.  It probably won't but you never know.

It's interesting because most people who are introduced to the DPI are presented with the several or more common theories which almost immediately biases them to think in a particular way, which then limits true lateral thought. iMO it would be interesting to present the DPI to a group of people Who have never heard of it and just present them with the facts whilst avoiding telling them any of the current theories.  Then it would be interesting to see what they come up with.


Well maybe many people will be looking at the various web sites and programmes, but I wouldnt have thought that most people would necessarily be biased to one or the other type of theory. If they are genuinely interested then they probably can make up their own mind, I would have thought. An analogy would be a JURY in a Court of Law. 12 people presented with the facts and told to get on with it. No outside influence or media interpretation etc.
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February 20, 2019, 11:37:43 PM
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Please wait for the end!
I try to use astrology as a thinking model (among one of  many) to reflect the facts we know about the tragedy and what conclusions we can draw from it. Then we take the logic and compare it with astrology. This website is a common thinking for 9 deceased youngsters and all of us so that no one can get into a similar situation. It is joyful if someone started to think in the first part of my writing, because this already can take us to the solution. I don't have the stone of the wise men. But together we'll get closer to the truth, sure.
Now I see many things (decisions, emotions, external circumstances) have contributed to the tragedy and research, and their impact has been added up.
Have a nice day!
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(2nd Part)



Later, the event took a more joyful turn, perhaps the team celebrated something (House I is Virgin, its planet, Mercury is in House 5), which included unpredictability and sinister end; ties – spiritual and/or physical - could break up (Aquarius Sun and Chiron are in House 5, opposite Uranus in 11th House). Team members took care of each other (House 2 is Libra, its planet Venus is in Pisces in House 6). Grooming could have affected the body – the damaged leg (House 6 is Aquarius) - and the soul. Weather (external conditions) became even more extreme, wet, stormy (Scorpio Neptune is in House 3). The team perhaps had problems with fire and/or there could be an air explosion (Leo Uranus is in House 11). So the internal and external “tension” could be great. The team's mood may have changed according to this: they may have started to drink or they could use drug (due to the position of Neptune) and there could be a spontaneous, unnecessary debate and/or a breakup (Aries Eris is in House VII). All this jeopardized the realization of the event (Scorpio Neptune is in House 3 and Leo Uranus is in House 11 opposite Sun). The greatest help came from the “outsider” person, who was undervalued (Juno is in House 2 but in weakened position) and one of those who gave careful care to the team members (House 2 is Libra, its planet Venus is in House 6, in Pisces). The shelter could have a violent impact, which was not necessary (Saturn is in House IV biquintil Mars). Someone could been looking for a "loophole," an escape route. Before it secrets could come to light (Virgin Pluto is in House 11), which did not match the principles of the team (Pluto-Venus opposition; Venus is the planet of Taurus; and House 9 is Taurus) and threatened their security (Venus is also the planet of Libra; Libra is House 2).



In the continuation of the event the joy was over (House 8 is Taurus, its planet Venus is in House 5). Because of the bitter, very strong wind or fire (explosion) (Leo Uranus is in House X opposite Sun; both in cardinal position) the main goal was to create an extreme shelter quickly (Aquarius Sun is in House IV), which later turned out to be an unnecessary job (when Sun has arrived in the stress zone, in House 3).
The team had to choose between alternatives and more events could happen at the same time (Libra Ascendens). They fought for their physical existence (most of the planets are in the 1/3 of the lower part of the horoscope). They weren't strong enough (Aries Descendens). They could also have foot and leg injuries and/or they had walking difficulties (House 6 is Pisces). They ran out of their power, the slow, non-natural end is imaginable (House 2 is Scorpio; Scorpio Moon- Taurus Mars opposition in House 8).

(To be continued...)

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(3d Part)

However, the “outsider”, the person assigned to the team could make a decision in the interest of everyone, which led the story in a positive direction for a while (Juno is in House I on the Ascendens with Moon Node), but it was late, cataclysm continued (main planets’ oppositions continued).



At night objectivity was obscured (Neptune quadrate Aquarius Mercury in House 3). The altered state of consciousness, as a source of joy, could have contributed to it (Neptune is the planet of Pisces that dominates House 5). The young team members helped the leader (Aquarius Mercury is in House 3) but became labile (Scorpio Moon is in House 2). They tried to make hard physical effort together in extreme conditions (Capricorn Saturn and Aquarius Sun is in House 3) in vain (Sun is in the stress zone). But unexpected, sudden events (Leo Uranus –Sun opposition) and reckless decisions (Aquarius Mercury quinkunx Virgo Pluto) made their goal impossible. They could also argue about what the right solution would be (Eris in House 6). They had to accept the events (Pholus along with Sun).
This is the final outcome of things. The circle slowly was closed (Capricorn Saturn is closed in House 3). Participants' heads (the organs of the head) could also be injured (House 6 is Aries) and fatal neck and chest injuries occurred (House 8 is Taurus, later Gemini).



Towards dawn the event series was increasingly mysterious, misty, full of suspicion (Scorpio Neptune is on the Ascendens). So it may also be associated with alcohol and/or a consciousness modifier. The end is extreme (House 8 is Gemini, its planet, Mercury is in Aquarius). Team members seem to have returned to themselves (House 2 is Sagittarius, its planet, Jupiter is in House I, in Scorpio; House 9 is Cancer, its planet, Moon is in House I, in Scorpio). It is likely that a woman (and / or a very handsome man) held out the longest and tried to help the team (House VII is Taurus, its planet, Venus is in House IV, in Pisces). But their intention has failed (Venus - Pluto opposition and Venus quadrate Moon).
It seems likely that power purification is related to the end of the event, and the "law" intervened, but this - willingly or unintentionally - has resulted in even greater chaos, messing up things (Virgo Pluto is in House X  opposite to Pisces Venus in House IV; Juno is in House 12). It should not have happened that way, it is a result of human decisions (there are free decision-making angles of Juno and Athene). The truth could have come (Juno and Athene were in the House 12; and Chiron trigon) and can be revealed.

And what about logic?

(To be continued...)


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February 26, 2019, 02:44:56 AM
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February 27, 2019, 02:27:28 AM
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Thank you for leting me know. I moved my comment to a new topic in General discusion.
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Message to moderators - ok i've cracked  bang1 , would it be possible to move this thread to a more appropriate section? General Discussion? Or an astrology section perhaps?
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Message to moderators - ok i've cracked  bang1 , would it be possible to move this thread to a more appropriate section? General Discussion? Or an astrology section perhaps?

Actually you may be right and this does need moving to its own particular spot in the forum.
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February 28, 2019, 01:23:07 AM
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(4th Part)
Conclusion, or summarize the snapshots of Cosmos with information about the tragedy

On the 1st of February, in the afternoon the Dyatlov Team went on the ridge to the tip of Mt. Otorten. Wind and snowfall were getting stronger and stronger. They may have been in an electric storm (details below), and even their compasses were in the wrong direction. (Because of electromagnetic anomalies, they might have departed from the right direction before.) The team had difficulties moving forward. Suddenly Kolevatov had an accident. His left leg was badly damaged. The cause could not be ascertained precisely: either he was on his way or he was simply unlucky. Because of the weather circumstancies the latter has a greater chance in my mind. But who knows? He could see something interesting for himself and went there to examine it. What could possibly be investigated is the type of the injury in the autopsy protocol: whether a sharp rock or a metal object (for example a pickaxe) could cause the accident. Or was there any material left in the wound?  We could draw conclusions from them: what he could do. But after all, it doesn't matter a lot. The point is, Kolevatov needed care, and because the others were exhausted (in the morning they built a „warehouse”!), they decided to set up the tent quickly, and then see what was going on. Almost certainly they argued. In the based of the diaries we know, they argued a lot during the tour but not seriously. The subject of the dispute could have been the route, the direction, setting up the tent or not and where, and Kolevatov’s accident. Zolotaryov, as the oldest and most experienced among them, tried to dampen the conflict, but he was not the guide, so he had no great influence on the others. Maybe Igor Dyatlov, because Zolotaryov tried to intervene in the rest of the tour, began to push the circumstances why Zolotaryov was among them. (At that time in the Soviet Union, it was customary to have a "built-in" man (or more) in a group of people organized for any reason.) I would describe the situation as a "bump", not a deep conflict, as the rest of the evening took place in a cheerful mood for a while. Zina could be the one who reconciled them, and who looked after Kolevatov. That day was Zolotaryov's birthday anyway. We don't know if he was drinking (at least I didn't find any specific reference to this information), but many of them consumed alcohol. There, in the tent could have been a deep, enthusiastic conversation of the relationship between Zina and Igor and/or Zina and Dorosenko. We know that Kolevatov had codeine at himself, but did not know whether he had taken it. It should be investigated whether this is indicated in the autopsy report. The codeine could be in the first aid kit and he wanted to dampen his pain caused by his injury, or he could have been a regular "consumer" of the drug. We know that his skin after death had a different colour than the others’, which may indicate the presence of the drug in his body. Under the influence of alcohol and / or medicine consciousness changes, and we are less thoughtful. Light-headedness could have contributed to the continuation of the story, but the circumstances were just sobering. To find out how the alcoholic (drug) influence affected the tragedy, we should have been there.

The storm became more intense, they could experience unusual sound and/or light phenomena. (The geography of the place can be capable of producing strange and powerful electric – electromagnetic – storms.  When one of the steep sides of a mountain is flooded with high-speed ionized air, and on the other side there is warmer, damp air - possibly rich in methane, such as over an oil site -, and the two meets, there not only traditional lightnings, but also ball-ligthnings can be.) In the tent peace could recovered somewhat. The alcohol (and Zina) had good effect to the boys. They decided to stay overnight there. The light/sound phenomena (and alcohol) prompted them to joke, and instead of diaries, they wrote the satirical „Otorten Evening” with that certain phrase referring to the jety. In the strong electric field their hair could stand on the end. Or even the mysterious fire of St. Elmo could be seen on the tip of the tent. (It can be seen mostly on high, long, pointed-tip objects, on the tip of masts, lightning rods, on the wing of aircraft.) Zolotaryov was outside the tent. We no longer know (because rescuers didn't care enough to keep track of the traces) whether or not he moved away from the tent to map their surroundings searching for a possible escape route if the situation worsened; or he was just in custody. In the first case, he could put the torch to the tip of the tent to make easier his way back and could ask the team to switch it on if he did not return to a scheduled time. (He was the only who had a compass at himself when he was found, but remember that in the special meteorological situation it could point back and front.) If the torch was made of metal, it and the tent sticks, the portable chimney could attract electric discharges. Brignole could also be out with Zolotaryov (they two were wearing shoes and warmer clothes than the others). Perhaps Brignole wanted to prove his ability and courage to the others because he had less experience of hiking than the others and sometimes he pulled back them. Maybe Zolotaryov wanted to photograph the phenomena (we know he had a camera at himself when he was found). He asked the others to give him a camera. He could put the torch to the tip of the tent to make better light conditions if necessary. Brignole unbuttoned the two lower buttons of the tent entrance, and gave the things (camera and torch) Zolotaryov. Then he also went out but not for a long time because he did not wear thick boots.

(To be continued...)
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March 02, 2019, 02:59:29 AM
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(5th Part)

Then suddenly the disaster began.
There a smaller lightning-ball (in Hungarian language: fumbling firebolt) could appear in the tent. Panic broke out. At first, perhaps they cut off the side of the tent to expel the lightning-ball out. Then, when it failed, they ran away. They were running as they were: without coats, in socks. While trying to expel the lightning-ball and/or escaping they could roll over some things in the tent but maybe the lightning-ball did it (chimney!). Slobodin was able to put on half pair of his boots, but he might have worn both of them, just while running he left the one. There is no reference in the list of found objects for it. They knew they had to spread out in lightning, and they were scared, so they ran in every direction. At that time, the lightning-ball could not do more damage to them, came out of the tent and popped up causing just minor abrasions. The other found torch could then have fallen out of the hands of someone who could be scorched (some of them had such injuries on their palms, but these could have been the cause of a lightning later). The electric storm on the hilltop could already have been dangerous by then. There was not much chance in the snow. Cleverly, they headed toward the woods below them, trying to overcome them. There they hoped for shelter and needed branches. Doroshenko was the tallest of them, and he began to climb the first pinetree that had come to their way. Krivonischenko followed him. Dorosenko could cut branches from top to bottom and gave them down to Krivonischenko, who passed them to the others. They wanted to protect, isolate their bodies with the branches from electric discharges. And then a big lightning (lightning-ball?)  hit the two boys vertically on the tree. At least their injuries are mostly indicative of this. Standing on the tree at the height, they were attracted by the electric discharges. On the top of all that Doroshenko could have a knife in his hands. Krivonischenko bitten into his hand in pain. Both of them could have a temporary paralysis, so they fell down. Dorosenko on his right hand and arm, Krivonischenko on his left.

Krivonisenko didn't show any sign of life, they thought he was dead. But Dorosenko was tried to revive. Zina - as Dorosenko's former girlfriend - and Dyatlov, without worrying about the danger, went back to the tent for the first aid kit. Zina could run away. Dyatlov could still entrust the team to Zolotaryov, then took off Krivonischenko's waistcoat, picked it up and came after Zina. The others lit a hasty fire and continued to revive Dorosenko. As the storm was rageing around them and Dorosenko didn't give a sign of life, Zolotaryov decided to seek shelter for the rest of the team. They probably also saw the electric discharge („simple” lightning or lightning-ball) that caused Zina’s and Dyatlov's death, but not themselves in the blizzard, in the dark. The electric discharge voltage was spreading over the ground. Snow, as a wet medium, is a "great" electric driver. Zina and Dyatlov had similar injuries caused by a vertical electric shock. Their bodies were spasmodic, weakened, they could be difficult to breathe, fell, paralyzed or fell into coma.
Zolotaryov and the others pulled and/or cut off the usable clothes from Dorosenko and Krivonischenko, and even their values were taken away (these were even more secure at them, and later these could be useful, eg wristwatches), caught some tree branches and ran down the hill to the shelter (den). Slobodin was left at the two „dead” boys, so that accompany to the shelter Zina and Dyatlov when they return. He waited for a while, then he also headed toward the tent. We don't know how the shoe soles got under his shirt, but these somehow protected him from the electric discharging. In any case, he could have enough time to cut off or tear the shoe soles of one of the two "dead" boys if they still wore boots. Although there is no reference in the list of found items for boots without slopes. Moving on the open hillside, he became also the target of the electric discharges. The rubber slopes worn on his chest protected his body vertically but not horizontally. The electric discharge went through his head. He defended his head with his hand, stooped, stumbled a bit, and then declined as he died.
They five died not in their injuries, but in fact they were frozen.

(To be continued...)
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March 02, 2019, 11:16:38 AM
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Hello,
Your description of the sequence of events is also my opinion. Since I read the article https://sites.google.com/site/mezoelectric/dyatlov-pass-incident-1  a few months ago, I was immediately attracted by the theory mentioned in this article, because it logically explains almost every single point of the events and also my internal intuition told me that there is something about the theory.
I would add some points that you say:
As stated in the article, the tent could be under electric discgarge due to ski as a tent support. And I agree with you that the first "atack" of plasmoids was later accompanied by other physical phenomena, which we can not yet explain but injured them in the forest at the den.
I think  Zina, Igor and Slobodin were going to the tent together and  gradually dying on the way, Zina came farthest.
Slobodin probably did not stay at the fire in the order to navigate them to the den. There were a lot of pieces of clothing spreaded on the way from the fire to the den, probably as navigation for the trio.
I think we do not know about many things, many people think that humanity has already been exploring all the physical phenomena on Earth. But I disagree, I think we still know very little, we must not be arrogant and great discoveries are yet to come. In Russia, there are more places where mysterious ball lighting occurs, targeting people and even responding to human movement and lasting for even a few hours. Maybe this is the reason why Mansi were afraid of this area and warned Igor do not go there.
In the horoscope of the event, Sun is in conjunction with Chiron, indicating injuries (Chiron) caused by sunlight or lightning (Sun). Both planets are in Aquarius, whose ruler Uranus points to a sudden and unexpected event.  I wonder how did you figure out where to put the cups of home not only at the beginning of the event but also with time, as we do not know the real time? I'm looking forward to your next follow-up clap1.
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March 05, 2019, 12:36:52 AM
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(6th Part)
Zolotaryov found a seemingly suitable place (den) to pull themselves until the storm ends. Ljuda wrapped up her poorly dressed body parts as she could, but she had to hurry. Some pieces of clothing, marking their way to the others, were left in striking places. The shelter (den) was covered with tree branches and the team members tried to pull themselves there. Kolevatov could be a little separate from the others but his posture could be the same as Brignole’s. Ljuda and Zolotaryov could stand side by side, Brignole was sitting in front of or behind them at their breast height. A lightning (lightning-ball?) could strike between them. Their bodies formed an electric driver line between the two walls of the den in a very unfortunate way. Ljuda’s and Zolotaryov's chests exploded from inside, their eyes (eyeballs) got "burst". The electric discharge hit Brignole's head. Kolevatov crashed his neck. They were all pushed into the depths (ravine) by strong air pressure. Ljuda fell into deepest. She still had the strength to climb forward the boys and leaned against the rock wall standing on her knees. She raised her arms and opened her mouth to get air in spite of her severe rib fractures. Kolevatov and Zolotaryov were able to drag themselves to Brignole and Ljuda. Brignole didn't give a sign of life. Kolevatov, who was in the best condition, hugged the heavily damaged Zolotaryov to heat him. Finally, Kolevatov was frozen. So death came to them.
After their death, they were covered by thick snow, which may have been the result of a swirl (perhaps a Kármán-swirl: it is generated when high-speed wind flows in one direction for a long time) caused by the long-lasting and strong electric storm.

Ljuda’s and Zolotaryov's eyes (eyeballs) got "burst", so their eye sockets were empty when they were found. Their eyeballs, in spite of the cold, decomposed in a short time. Ljuda's tongue (or a piece of it) could freeze on the rock wall or as her eyeballs, got „burst” (or fell off) and decomposed in the same way as her eyes. Who knows, after such a long time, it is possible to find the trace of their DNA on the spot, in the ravine and /or on the stones (rocks)? I suspect not.
Some of Krivonysenko's and Kolevatov's garments could be radioactive not just because of their jobs because then their bodies and all their clothes would have been radioactive. Their occupation could have played a role in that, both of them might collect radioactive minerals during the tour, which they put in their clothes in their backpacks. Or just one of them (Kolevatov) collected minerals, who then gave some of them to the other. This could explain Kolevatov’s “own ways”. Ural is a very rich zirconium and gadolinite site and the team members were in mines and around them. They could also search during their way. Zircon and gadolinite are also slightly radiant minerals. We do not know if there were any such minerals between their found items, or in their “warehouse”. But the others might have realized this dangerous activity and they made the boys throw away the minerals. (There are more than 350 radioactive minerals in earth science!) But it is a very fiction. (I may examine the horoscopes again and again.)
Knife blades were not found on the spot because they could melt in the electric discharges when they were used for cutting branches etc. or flew as far away from the spot where they were not searched for. After 60 years it would be nearly impossible to search them. But who knows?
We cannot be sure that some corpses have actually been reversed. Surely Dorosenko and Krivonyschenko were moved because the others took (cut) off their clothes. Their posture refers to this. But this could have happened even when the bodies did not show the dead spots (because the two boys were not dead). With regard to the possible movement of the bodies, it cannot be ignored that the circumstances were extreme. On the one hand, there was a long-lasting freezing temperature in which the physical process of death occurs differently than at normal temperature. On the other hand, if they got really "electric shock", their body was subjected to an enormous amount of electric discharge, which also can modify this process. Lightning strikes (electric shocks) may leave marks on the body that could be mistaken for dead spots. In retrospect, it is very difficult to reconstruct it medically, but maybe not impossible. And the swirl after the storm could also move the bodies.
I wrote about Kolevatov’s blue skin-colour above. The others’ body were orange. Why? The answer is: nitrogen-monoxide/dioxide inhalation. (As a result of lightning in nature, nitrogen reacts with oxygen, producing nitrogen-monoxide. However, this is oxidized by oxygen in the atmosphere to nitrogen-dioxide. Nitrogen-dioxide is converted into nitric-acid by the action of water. Therefore, in the event of major storms, small amounts of nitric-acid enter the air and rainwater.)
The 9 young people did not trespass in the true sense of the word, they were not bad. They weren't careful enough, they made some wrong decisions, but these would not have been fatal in other cases. They had a duty to each other (karmic?). Fate arranged them together and they stood side by side in spite of everything, all internal tensions and external difficulties. They were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
God will calm them down!

(End... End?)

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March 08, 2019, 03:27:05 PM
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I enjoyed reading the astrological view of what might have happened.  It places more emphasis on emotion, and the group dynamic which I think is important. 

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March 09, 2019, 03:45:20 AM
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I enjoyed reading the astrological view of what might have happened.  It places more emphasis on emotion, and the group dynamic which I think is important.

A view not shared by everyone though. Nevertheless this Cosmos Astrological View is a contribution to the Forum. But why do you think Emotion and The Group Dynamic is important in the Dyatlov Incident  ! ?
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March 09, 2019, 04:38:25 AM
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With this theory I tried to point out that if Cosmos really reflects the moment, astrological events tell the direction of a story: external circumstances as well as internal motivations. They are inseparable in my mind.

Indeed, when we try to reconstruct an event series afterwards, the facts are the ones that draw the story. But if we want to understand and want to get a full picture, then internal motivations are a must. For example, it can be said that it does not matter whether Zina, Igor Dyatlov and Slobodin went back to the tent together or separately because they all died. However, it matters for the whole story.

It seems to me that the astrological approach and investigation of the Dyatlov Tragedy reflects the sequence of events and does not contradict certain theories, but on the contrary, it strengthens them. Surprisingly, although many people are skeptic about astrology, in this case, mysterious ideas are precluded by this test mode. However, as this approach is complex, it provides a holistic view of events. It's not easy. Nowadays, we are examining everything in such detail that many times we do not see the whole. We don't see the wood from the tree. However, Cosmos indicates "only" directions and does not concretize. Thus, the strict logic can be used to clarify the sequence of events.

There are a number of things that, in my opinion, should be seriously investigated by the authorities after the event, and they should also change their attitude. For example, returning to Zina and the two boys, the footprints around their bodies would suggest that they went back to the tent together or separately. The photographs made by the research team should be examined more thoroughly.

Of course, there are also details of the story that could not be explored by astrological analysis that was relatively quick and not detailed. I would be curious about everything. Maybe others too. So, I'll be going to explicate some of them in the future. Maybe Monika also can help.

And maybe you will enjoy them too, dear Star Man.
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March 10, 2019, 12:44:46 PM
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I agree, the group dynamic  is very important.

 The overview of the event sequence, as Sidi has said, sounds logical and I identify with it. Unfortunately, I have no experience with electional "event" astrology, and we also do not know the times when the individual acts as an event at the tent, the fire, and at the den took place. That's why I can not bring any further knowledge from astrological point of view now. I miss the knowledge of the actual times of the events. But I will think about this from the astrological poiunt of view, and I will put my findings in this Topic.

I have tried horary astrology right now (10.03.2019, time 20.07 CET, 48°9'N, 17°6'E), where I asked  if the primary cause of the whole sequence of event was a ball lighting at the tent. I got the answer No.
Interestingly, Mars was in the horary horoscope in Taurus, just as it was at the time of the Dyatlov incident. The cusp of the 8th house (Death house) in horary astrology is in Taurus and the lord of this house, Venus  (Aquarius, 10 degree) is separating from Saturn-Pluto (Capricorn, 18-22 degree) which are planets symbolizing death. The applying aspect would be affirmative but separating aspect is negative. the answer to my question is NO. On the other hand, who knows ... everything is possible .. .This, however, does not mean that the whole incident could not be caused by a light ball/ plasmoid. My question with the horary astrologer was just: What caused them to escape from the tent was the flashlight? The answer from horary astrology was NO. There could have been plasmoid behind whole event, but their running from the tent initiated something else, e.g. the hysterical reaction of one of them and others acting in crowd psychosis or something else ...
The problem with using horary astrology is that I can only ask one question, and I can only ask another question after three months.



 


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March 15, 2019, 02:48:11 AM
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It's great! The horary horoscope above is so clear!
The cause of the tragedy was not a ball-lightning, but a decision. The horary horoscope shows exactly this: ASC in Libra in House 1, and there is the Athena asteroid. This asteroid  is the symbol of constructive intelligence. It indicates a serious decision-making situation when we can make good decisions when we use our logic together with our intuition and compare them with what we have seen, heard and learnt. (People who are really successful in life make their big decisions such way.)



The ball-lightning "just" could be a physical (meteorological) phenomenon that forced the team to make a decision.
If we look at the 3d and 4th horoscopes I have created for the event, and compare them to the horary horoscope, we see that the zodiac signs fall into the same horoscope houses. This is the presumed time when the tent was left by the team due to a sudden incident. Horoscopes coincide. My ones show the flow of the event and the horary horoscope gives an explanation. Eg. Libra's planet, Venus, is in the House 4, which can be called the House of Home  (tent). And this House is in Aquarius. So the team had to make a model-like decision in relation to the three-dimensional space, taking into account every possibility. There was a chaotic situation. Sun is in Pisces, along with Neptune in House 5, which can be called the House of Joy (the team celebrated, clowned, drank...). But the tragedy does not lie in it. The story took a different direction with the decision. Stay in the tent or escape? Namely, Athena is opposed to Uranus and Moon which are standing in House 7 (the House of Social Relationships) in Taurus. That is, the team had to make a coordinated, if you like, holistic decision.

I write down a bit of fear because I don't want to criticize the members of the team and I was not in their position, but if they had stayed in the tent, there might be no tragedy.
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March 22, 2019, 09:38:56 AM
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The last photography.

In the last few days in the forum, some are writing about the last photo from Krivonischenko camera. We still do not know whether the picture was taken by one of the Dyatlovs, or what it should show.
So I used horary astrology (an spontaneous idea in the morning) to question if it is true that this image was made by some of the Dyatlovs and it's not just a mistake from exposure.



The answer is yes. Taking photograph I consider to be creative activity, it corresponds to 5th house. His ruler, Sun, is in perfect conjuntion with Chiron! I was suprised that again we get the same aspect as during that fateful night.
The Sun-Chiron conjunction meaning could be: injury due to Sun activity or Lightning. Sun is located in the 12th house, which is a house of everything mysterious and hidden from plain sight.


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March 22, 2019, 05:37:44 PM
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I have always thought the photo is made by the group.  It doesn't look at all like a test photo in a room . If I have time I will make comparison of said photo with other photos of light objects in the sky and with test photos in room. Also will show it to a professional photographer to ask him what he thinks.

Very interesting topic, I love astrology!

March 30, 2019, 08:49:09 AM
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Just have a look at Monica's Horary Horoscope made at 20:07 on 10.03.19. again!
We have discussed that the cause of the team's death was not a ball-lightning but a decision connected to it. This horoscope says more, too! Mars is in the House of Catharsis (8th), in Taurus. So, fire (Mars) really fell into the ground!
Plus there is a Saturnus - Pluto - landing Moon Node conjunction at around the border line of House 3-4 which means doom. A fatal decision.
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April 03, 2019, 02:08:50 AM
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Vortex (Swirl) Explanation

I would like to show you some interesting scientific  kewl1 figures and photos that could justify the combination of the ball-lightning and Kármán Vortex (Swirl) meteorological theory, which seems to be the most probable by astrological - considered pseudoscientific   excuseme- analysis.

Let's go backwards, from the end of the story, Kármán Vortex (Swirls).
A “body” (eg. mountain) which is not specifically streamlined, in flowing, frictional gas (air), creates a swirling flow - a vortex, a whirlpool - if the flow rate reaches high speed. At the edges of the body the air rotates in opposite directions, which, if it rotates high speed, will get inertial and follow each other one by one and have the opposite direction of rotation. This is called Kármán Vortex (Swirl).
Here's a "moving" picture and a satellite photo of the phenomenon:





And now look at the following relief images and satellite photos of the Mount Otorten area!













I think these do not require much explanation. The relief of the mountain area is like swirling winds blowing-flowing. So sometimes the weather can be extremely dangerous there at weather fronts. And the area can be aircraft pilots’ nightmare also.

(To be continued with the formation of ball-ligthnings…)
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