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August 10, 2019, 04:45:51 PM
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Many have remarked on the oddity of Zolotaryov's presence in the group and the possibilty that he was a secret agent by profession.

I have no problem seeing his involvement as just another weird circumstance having no particular bearing on the matter, except... what if his sole job was to ensure a group of random campers were at a certain location at a certain time?! Certainly his haste on the expedition has been noted from diaries.

From my reading of the political circumstnces of 1959, I see it as an almost certain bet that Russia were coninuing testing in breach of the nuclear test ban which they had pushed for. How else were they going to catch up with America in capability? Naturally, they would have to relocate their test sites to do so and testing of high yield devices would be out of the question.

Is it so far-fetched that Russia would seek to understand the killing capacity of low-yield devices by testing in a new test location over the Urals, well away from prying foreign eyes?

In this scenario, once the campers were in place, Zolotaryov would have realised the situation as  soon as the first explosion occurred and would have likely understood he was a dead man if he didnt seek shelter.  In any case an explosion would explain why they all left the tent in a hurry. In the darkness they potentially became separated but what if, and here's the kicker, the group that ended in the ravine turned out to be the unluckiest ones when the walls of the ravine acted to concentrate a subsequent blast? The dead group in the ravine would be unable to yell their location to the surviving group who resorted to climbing the largest tree as a lookout in the hope of spotting their comrades. 

Zolotaryov was found with notebook in hand and the Colonel who discovered his body seemed genuinely disgusted that he had written nothing down. Perhaps his emotions, knowing he had suffered radiation exposure had sapped his will to obey his task.

The complete control over the case from highest levels would simply reflect gathering of evidence to conclude the objectives of the test.

This seems to me to pass the Occams Razor test.


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August 11, 2019, 06:27:36 AM
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August 12, 2019, 01:31:03 AM
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Notebook was in his pocket, and so was his hand.

I bow to superior knowledge and thank you most kindly for clarifying.

While I am here, permit me to pose a question.  I gather from reading all the interviews with the medical community that the 'floating lights' in the sky were widely accepted as a fact of life in Invel AND were also assumed to be military tests involving rockets AND were assumed to be associated with periodic spikes in radiation in the region.

My question is whether there has been any informed speculation as to the specific nature of these tests?

If my wild theory (outlined in the first post above) were to be taken seriously, I guess another variant could be that the weapon was supposed to deploy at higher altitude presuming the interest was in radiation coverage and survivability (easier to cover up the effects by subsequent hypothermia) rather than direct blast effects.

A further modification is that, regardless of what glorious role might have been promised to Zolotaryov, being a WWII ex-soldier perhaps he had a 'moment of clarity' (and self-preservation) when he saw a distant floating light and informed the group they were actually all likely to die if they didnt seek shelter.  That would get them out of the tent, yes?

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August 12, 2019, 12:07:31 PM
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Notebook was in his pocket, and so was his hand.

I bow to superior knowledge and thank you most kindly for clarifying.

While I am here, permit me to pose a question.  I gather from reading all the interviews with the medical community that the 'floating lights' in the sky were widely accepted as a fact of life in Invel AND were also assumed to be military tests involving rockets AND were assumed to be associated with periodic spikes in radiation in the region.

My question is whether there has been any informed speculation as to the specific nature of these tests?

If my wild theory (outlined in the first post above) were to be taken seriously, I guess another variant could be that the weapon was supposed to deploy at higher altitude presuming the interest was in radiation coverage and survivability (easier to cover up the effects by subsequent hypothermia) rather than direct blast effects.

A further modification is that, regardless of what glorious role might have been promised to Zolotaryov, being a WWII ex-soldier perhaps he had a 'moment of clarity' (and self-preservation) when he saw a distant floating light and informed the group they were actually all likely to die if they didnt seek shelter.  That would get them out of the tent, yes?

Well the old saying is that ASSUMPTIONS can be dangerous. There are many Theories as to what the lights in the Sky could be.
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August 12, 2019, 06:48:00 PM
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August 13, 2019, 08:02:35 PM
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Lights in the sky around this time is just me.....  In the future, I go back to the future trying to observe what happened.    tongue2

Love it!! Thats all cleared up then :-)

Seriously though, the medical staff interviews really make interesting reading dont they!  The receiving nurses appear to have been under the impression that the group had been killed in a blast. One nurse remarked on how filthy they all were for people who had been found out in the snow. Its certainly is a mystery wrapped in an enigma.

August 14, 2019, 04:41:58 AM
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Lights in the sky around this time is just me.....  In the future, I go back to the future trying to observe what happened.    tongue2

Love it!! Thats all cleared up then :-)

Seriously though, the medical staff interviews really make interesting reading dont they!  The receiving nurses appear to have been under the impression that the group had been killed in a blast. One nurse remarked on how filthy they all were for people who had been found out in the snow. Its certainly is a mystery wrapped in an enigma.

Medical staff interviews - must have missed these.  Are they on this site?

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August 14, 2019, 04:55:16 AM
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Yep the interviews are all on the 'modern' records page.
Someone did an amazing job with translation.
The thing is though, all these interviews seem to be under the same link so you have to clicking 'next' to move to the next interview. There are quite a few of them, nurses and doctors.
Cheers

August 14, 2019, 08:31:42 AM
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Yep the interviews are all on the 'modern' records page.
Someone did an amazing job with translation.
The thing is though, all these interviews seem to be under the same link so you have to clicking 'next' to move to the next interview. There are quite a few of them, nurses and doctors.
Cheers

Ok thanks

Star man

August 15, 2019, 04:10:55 AM
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Yep the interviews are all on the 'modern' records page.
Someone did an amazing job with translation.
The thing is though, all these interviews seem to be under the same link so you have to clicking 'next' to move to the next interview. There are quite a few of them, nurses and doctors.
Cheers

Ok thanks

Star man

My apologies, thats not where they are, I will find them again and let u know!
Edit: OK they are linked from the homepage of the website (from which this forum is just a part), its actually the last article linked 'How many bodies brought to Idvel...'
Keep clicking next to move through the interviews.
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August 15, 2019, 07:49:05 AM
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Yep the interviews are all on the 'modern' records page.
Someone did an amazing job with translation.
The thing is though, all these interviews seem to be under the same link so you have to clicking 'next' to move to the next interview. There are quite a few of them, nurses and doctors.
Cheers

Ok thanks

Star man

My apologies, thats not where they are, I will find them again and let u know!
Edit: OK they are linked from the homepage of the website (from which this forum is just a part), its actually the last article linked 'How many bodies brought to Idvel...'
Keep clicking next to move through the interviews.

Ok thanks again
Star man

August 15, 2019, 08:06:51 AM
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August 15, 2019, 08:20:00 AM
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There is some good reading there...  right off the bat on the first page.

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VK: Allow me? The fact is that according to Matveeva's book the autopsy was done in Ivdel. She says that the autopsy was not done in Ivdel. It was a preliminary preparation for them, probably for an autopsy ... And the autopsy was done somewhere else, it was not known where. Or maybe in the city hospital ...
PI: No, they did not do it in the city. They were sent to Sverdlovsk by airplanes.
VK: No, it wasn't in Sverdlovsk, according to the book that they did it in Ivdel.
PI: We washed them here ...

This is consistent to having read they washed them with some type of alcohol.... They brought in a 55 gal drum to do it.  From what I recall, one of these nurses stated it had a strange color reaction with the clothing and bodies. An article I have on file somewhere suggests this was a reaction with the methanol they were exposed to.
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August 15, 2019, 08:51:25 AM
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Thanks I’ll have a look into these

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August 15, 2019, 09:03:48 AM
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Thanks I’ll have a look into these

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August 15, 2019, 03:59:39 PM
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There is some good reading there...  right off the bat on the first page.

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VK: Allow me? The fact is that according to Matveeva's book the autopsy was done in Ivdel. She says that the autopsy was not done in Ivdel. It was a preliminary preparation for them, probably for an autopsy ... And the autopsy was done somewhere else, it was not known where. Or maybe in the city hospital ...
PI: No, they did not do it in the city. They were sent to Sverdlovsk by airplanes.
VK: No, it wasn't in Sverdlovsk, according to the book that they did it in Ivdel.
PI: We washed them here ...

This is consistent to having read they washed them with some type of alcohol.... They brought in a 55 gal drum to do it.  From what I recall, one of these nurses stated it had a strange color reaction with the clothing and bodies. An article I have on file somewhere suggests this was a reaction with the methanol they were exposed to.

Is it "normal". To wash the corpses with alcohol before an autopsy?  Sounds strange to me?  We're they decontaminating the bodies to remove radiation before the autopsy?  Weird.

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Star man