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General Discussion / Re: Vladimir Askinadzi

« Last post by GlennM on Today at 12:59:52 PM »

In my country there is an expression, " haters got to hate." It is easy to heep hate on those who can not defend themselves. They were all dead. It is easy to curry favor in an organization by applauding what ever point of view those who are higher up wish to claim. Everyone was trying to improve their standing in the Party and get a favorable nod from Khrushchev. Therefore, we certainly do not want the West to know our youth are not equal to the rigors of Soviet sport. We absolutely do not want any question that the tourists were disloyal. We absolutely do not want a Stalinist type execution of people suggested.

Therefore, even though the hikers died in a tragic combination of natural occurrences, if it suited someones personal agenda then or now to cast aspersions in order to curry favor, well...haters got to hate.

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General Discussion / Re: Vladimir Askinadzi

« Last post by anna_pycckux on Today at 08:40:54 AM »

as i understand it, it was only mentioned after the tourists had not returned, it was speculation.

Yuri Yudin said very clearly that denunciations of Dyatlov and his friends were written during his studies. I'm tired of repeating it.

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General Discussion / Re: Vladimir Askinadzi

« Last post by Ziljoe on Today at 08:21:35 AM »

 the chronological order of the allegations ( where and when it came into the maze of facts and myths ) for the tourists looking to defect must be taken into account.

as i understand it, it was only mentioned after the tourists had not returned, it was speculation. Everyone wrote or states their own theories at the time of tragedy, they are much of what we talk about today.

An avalanche, hurricane, murder, rockets, Mansi, weather, defect, etc etc. Searchers , leaders, The UPI and friends, all said speculative things at the time and understandably so, why?, because no one knew what happened and humans speculate. 

It would not make sense to escape the country by going to the Urals on a hike? where would they go? why follow the planned route and take photos and write diaries .

If there were to be deaths ordered, then surely it would be of the organisers of any escape attempt, the KGB would want to infiltrate the inner circle, not chase young tourists through the snow when they were evidently not trying to escape country.

необходимо учитывать хронологический порядок обвинений (где и когда они вошли в лабиринт фактов и мифов) для туристов, желающих сбежать.

насколько я понимаю, об этом упомянули только после того, как туристы не вернулись, это были предположения. Во время трагедии каждый писал или высказывал свои собственные теории, это во многом то, о чем мы говорим сегодня.

Лавина, ураган, убийство, ракеты, манси, погода, дефект и т. д. и т. п. Поисковики, руководители, УПИ и друзья, все говорили в то время умозрительные вещи и понятно, почему?, ведь никто не знал, что произошло, и люди предполагают .

Не имело бы смысла сбежать из страны, отправившись в поход на Урал? куда бы они пошли? зачем следовать запланированному маршруту, фотографировать и писать дневники.

Если бы и был приказ о смерти, то, конечно, это были бы организаторы любой попытки побега, КГБ захотело бы проникнуть в ближайшее окружение, а не гоняться за молодыми туристами по снегу, когда они явно не пытаются бежать из страны.

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General Discussion / Re: Vladimir Askinadzi

« Last post by anna_pycckux on Today at 06:31:06 AM »

One consequence would be to make a public example of their disloyalty for reasons of solidarity.

1. Логичнее было бы скрыть нелояльность туристов, что и было сделано. В стране, движущейся к коммунизму, не должно быть нелояльных людей.
2. Массового выхода в раздетом виде из палатки не было. Это фальшивый штамп, ничем не подтвержденный.

1. It would be more logical to hide the disloyalty of tourists, which was done. There should be no disloyal people in a country moving towards communism.
2. There was no mass naked exit from the tent. This is a false stamp, not confirmed by anything.

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General Discussion / Re: Vladimir Askinadzi

« Last post by GlennM on Today at 06:14:38 AM »

If the tourists were going to defect and subsequently be murdered for attempting to do so, then one of two things would follow. One consequence would be to make a public example of their disloyalty for reasons of solidarity. Two, supress the assasination and obfuscate their disloyalty. Neither was done. Finally, the explanation of why they left the tent en masse and the condition ofntheir remins does nothing to reinforce either of the two reasons mentioned. An accidental tragedy makes more sense.

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General Discussion / Re: The radioactive trace on the Dyatlov Pass

« Last post by GlennM on Today at 06:01:50 AM »

Again, radioactivity was, in miniscule amounts detected on them, not in them. This is not central to the question of their demise. It is a distraction. The discussion is a learned one though.

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General Discussion / Re: Vladimir Askinadzi

« Last post by anna_pycckux on Today at 03:57:04 AM »

Уважаемый Владимир Михайлович, я рада приветствовать Вас на лучшем форуме, посвященном перевалу Дятлова. Вы всегда готовы ответить на все вопросы. Однако ответа на вопрос, заданный неугомонной Анной, так и не последовало:
мог ли глава Свердловского обкома Кириленко спокойно отправиться на 21-й съезд КПСС в конце января, ничего не предпринимая, если бы КГБ доложил ему, что группа туристов намеревалась сбежать во время съезда в Норвегию? (Америку, Китай). Вы и сами не раз говорили, что Вас просили искать следы туристов, ведущие за границу.

Dear Vladimir Mikhailovich, I am glad to welcome you to the best forum dedicated to the Dyatlov Pass. You are always ready to answer all questions. However
, there was no answer to the question posed by the restless Anna:
could the head of the Sverdlovsk regional committee Kirilenko have quietly gone to the 21st congress of the CPSU at the end of January, if the KGB had reported to him that a group of tourists intended to escape during the congress to Norway? (America, China..) You yourself have said more than once that you were asked to look for traces of tourists leading abroad.

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General Discussion / Re: The radioactive trace on the Dyatlov Pass

« Last post by Axelrod on Today at 03:52:40 AM »

XX: We do not know exactly what the radioactive material is, for example, Cs-137 (cesium)

I am gradudte of Moscow Intitute of physics and technology, .
It so happened that on the first day of my first year, September 1, at 8 pm, I was writing a test in nuclear physics. but a was working as phogrammer in Multimedia Technologies. Therefore, I am familiar with this situation only from old memory.

When researching this situation, espacialy in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesium-137 i see

Caesium-137 has a half-life of about 30.05 years.[1] About 94.6% decays by beta emission to a metastable nuclear isomer of barium: barium-137m (137mBa, Ba-137m). The remainder directly populates the ground state of 137Ba, which is stable. Barium-137m has a half-life of about 153 seconds, and is responsible for all of the gamma ray emissions in samples of 137Cs. Barium-137m decays to the ground state by emission of photons having energy 0.6617 MeV.[8] A total of 85.1% of 137Cs decay generates gamma ray emission in this manner.

Now lets' see https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-371-377
Sheet 373
Alpha particles and gamma quants were not detected.

So, Cesium 137 is not suitable for this situation.

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General Discussion / Re: The radioactive trace on the Dyatlov Pass

« Last post by GlennM on May 04, 2024, 08:30:10 PM »

It reduces to three possibilities 1. They brought it with them ( from work or school) 2. They acquired it from the environment ( prospecting and naturally radioactive environmental exposure 3. They were contaminated from radioactive fallout. Of the three scenarios, only the third, radioactive fallout links to a reason the ended up as they did. There is nothing in the record indicating widespread radioactive contamination in the area then or now. No rocket debris has been identified. I submit the whole matter of radiation, geiger counters and suspicious death is a red herring.

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General Discussion / Re: The Search

« Last post by GlennM on May 04, 2024, 08:17:26 PM »

Then again, the rescue team had no experience in doing this sort of thing. They were relieved that no bodies were in the tent. It was rescue right up until it wasn't. It seems reasonable to me to expect the other seven hikers to be found somewhere between tent and cedar, especially if they suspected a snow slide of any magnitude.