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gunmat:
"An Unknown Compelling Force" is a documentary directed by Liam Le Guillou, a British-born director. The film was released in 2021 and provides insight into relationships we knew nothing about in 2021. Svetlana Oss appears in the film, and her theory is mentioned. However, I think Guillou maintains a sensible distance from all participants without getting caught up in a single theory or claim. The film is worth watching.

Teddy:
I agree that the movie is worth watching. But disagree that it is doesn't revolve around a theory.

By the time I become friends with Liam his movie was done, and he didn't have any room to wiggle, but I know for a fact that his whole movie is "Mansi Mansi Mansi" and the start of his movie is the author of a book about the Mansi crazy killers.

When I was in Los Angeles shooting the episode about the Dyatlov Pass incident with History's Greatest Mysteries (HGM) with Laurence Fishburne, the script was based on that same book. This is what they gave me to read from and I refused to do it. I gave them Liam Le Guillou, because he is the "Mansi man", and he accepted to read this. When I asked the producer don't you want to learn somethign about the case, because what you say is not true, she said "We have the script ready, it is based on this book about the Mansi..."

Questions from the script of HGM which I defused to repeat on air. BTW the person who wrote them was fired. Pity for the lost chance to do something good. I was very distraught when I received these questions with the answers they sought to fit their episode based on the same book as Liam Le Guillou's movie is. This is the core of the Mansi theory. Needless to say I do not agree with any of it. They wanted me to give these answers on air, I refused, so they said that my part will be diminished, and I said so be it. I am not going to sell my soul to be in the limelight.

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QUESTION 68: What is known about how unhappy the Mansi are about the USSR’s takeover of their land?
And besides, the Mansi are known to be unhappy about the USSR’s takeover of their land.

Lead investigator lev Ivanov starts looking into them.

QUESTION 69: What is Lev Ivanov’s theory about the Mansi in terms of how they felt about a group of outsiders who set up camp on Height 1079, a peak they call “Kholat Syakhl”– which roughly translates to “Dead Mountain” or “Don’t Go There”?
He thinks that the Mansi must have been furious that a group of outsiders set up camp on Height 1079, a peak they call “Kholat Syakhl” – which roughly translates to “Dead Mountain” or “Don’t Go There.”

QUESTION 70: Are the explorers violating territory that’s sacred to the Mansi?
The explorers are violating territory that’s sacred to the Mansi.

QUESTION 71: Is it even more sacrilegious that there are two women in the group?
Even more sacrilegious is the fact there are two women in the group.

QUESTION 72: For the Mansi, are women forbidden from even looking at sacred land, much less stepping foot on it?
And for the Mansi, women are forbidden from even looking at sacred land, much less stepping foot on it.

QUESTION 73: Could this be why the eyes are removed from one of the female corpses?
Maybe that’s why the eyes are removed from some corpses.

Ivanov interrogates multiple tribe members. While they deny involvement, they offer a new detail.

QUESTION 74: Do several people tell the same crazy-sounding story: that the Mansi saw orange-hued “fireballs” or “fast moving burning objects” flying through the sky on the supposed night of the massacre?
Several people tell the same crazy-sounding story: the Mansi saw orange-hued “fireballs” or “fast moving burning objects” flying through the sky on the supposed night of the massacre.

QUESTION 75: Do police recover a camera from the campsite which has a last frame of film they don’t understand?
Police had recovered a camera from the campsite, and the last photo on it, they didn’t understand. 

QUESTION 76: Please describe Krivonischenko’s camera, photo number 34 – the last photo in his camera with strange flares and streaks of light
It looked like strange flares and streaks of light against a pitch-black sky. It’s hard to tell but it could very well corroborate that “burning objects” really did light up the sky that night.

QUESTION 77: Are there any timestamps on the photos? And since there aren’t any, and we deduce it’s the last thing the hikers photographed, can one not help but wonder if it has something to do with their attack?
There are no timestamps on the photos, but if this is the last thing the hikers photographed, you can’t help but wonder if it has something to do with their attack.

But to Ivanov, the fireballs aren’t an alibi.  In fact, he thinks they may have provided a motive.

QUESTION 78: What does Lev Ivanov become convinced of by the time he’s done interviewing the Mansi?
By the time he’s done interviewing the Mansi, Lev Ivanov is convinced that they did see fireballs in the sky…

QUESTION 79: Is he convinced they did see fireballs in the sky… and that they interpreted them as signs from spirits above to fight back against the USSR and kill these trespassing hikers?
…and that they interpreted them as signs from spirits above to fight back against the USSR and kill these trespassing hikers.

QUESTION 80: Has this past year has been one of the worst for the Mansi? What is their main livelihood and how has it been affected by disease?
The past year has been one of the worst for the Mansi. They make their livelihood herding and hunting reindeer, and half of the reindeer population has just been wiped out by disease.

QUESTION 81: Do they believe this blight on their reindeer was punishment from the gods? So when this next so-called sign from the gods appears, trespassers on sacred land, the Mansi immediately take action?
They believe that was punishment from the gods, so when this next so-called sign from the gods appears, the Mansi immediately take action.

Investigators suspect the Mansi put together a killing party of at least ten men.

QUESTION 82: What do many believe in terms of some Mansi men taking “fly agaric” to build their courage and induce a “killing mood”?
Many believe the men first take some “fly agaric” to build up their courage and induce a “killing mood.”

QUESTION 83: What is fly agaric and is it known to grow in the Ural Mountain region?
Fly agaric is an hallucinogenic that comes from a mushroom grown in the Ural Mountain region. 

QUESTION 84: Is it’s what’s known as a ‘magic mushroom’ and are Mansi shamans known to use it for thousands and thousands of years?
It’s what’s otherwise known as a “magic mushroom” and Mansi shamans have been using it for close to 10,000 years.

QUESTION 85: What kind of energy and feelings is it said to give hunters?   
It gives their hunters a feeling of endless energy and “superhuman strength.”

Armed with a motive, Ivanov’s team believes they have a complete picture of that fateful night.

QUESTION 86: How do the Mansi carry out their alleged attack?
Do they first sneak up to the campsite and cut a hole into the tent?
The Mansi first sneak up to the campsite and cut a hole into the tent.

QUESTION 87: Is it reasoned the Mansi use guns to make the campers take off their shoes and clothes then, they order them to march down the hill?
After a shock and awe surprise attack on the tent, the Mansi use guns to make the campers take off their shoes and clothes. Then, they order them to march down the hill.

QUESTION 88: Is this motivated by a desire to get the outsiders off of their sacred land?
This is all done in order to get them off of their sacred land.

QUESTION 89: How many sets of footprints were discovered in the snow and were they going downhill?
The footprints that were discovered in the snow show eight to nine sets of footprints going downhill. 

QUESTION 90: Are some of these footprints clearly made by bare feet? Do all appear to be imprints made by people who are walking, not running?
Some are clearly made by bare feet and all appear to be imprints made by people who are walking, not running.

Investigators believe that once the Dyatlov hikers are brought down from the sacred peak, a physical assault begins.

QUESTION 91: At this point, are the two men who are in their underwear probably already nearly dead from hypothermia? Are they the first to go?
At this point, the two men who are in their underwear are probably already near dead from hypothermia. They are the first to go.

QUESTION 92: What happens to the three others? Are they beaten more severely by blunt objects as they try to escape by going back up to the tent?
Three others are beaten more severely by blunt objects but they try to escape by going back up to the tent.

QUESTION 93: Do they also succumb to the cold?
They also succumb to the cold.

QUESTION 94: Does it appear maybe the final four try and hide in a hunter’s old “snow den” in the ravine?
It appears maybe the final four try and hide in a hunter’s old “snow den” in the ravine.

QUESTION 95: Do the Mansi inflict worse injuries on these four, perhaps by jumping up and down on their chests until their ribs are broken and they stop breathing?
The Mansi inflict worse injuries on them, and end up jumping up and down on their chests until their ribs are broken and they stop breathing.

QUESTION 96: Does this scenario basically all add up for Ivanov? 
To Ivanov, this all adds up. 

QUESTION 97: Why don’t the Mansi steal anything? Is it because they are on a religious mission of revenge?
The Mansi do not steal anything because they are on a religious mission of revenge.

QUESTION 98: Might they also want to send a message to everyone in Russia: trespassing on our territory can be deadly?
They also want to send a message to everyone in Russia: trespassing on our territory can be deadly.

The Mansi continue to deny the accusations. And without a confession, Ivanov has no proof.

Ziljoe:
Total respect for you hereTeddy.

 I had come across the film before but I know what these documentaries can be like, and the media. The audacity to tell how to reply makes one wonder over any comments. 

I rather watch those from the forum that do their own videos, even if I have to work through the language. I'm pleased to see they have a qualified medic over on Dyatlovpass1 that will hopefully help with queries. 

I was actually watching one of your videos on u tube the other night teddy, forgot with who. It was a young USA or Canada I think. Wooly hat and grey sweater I think, I'll need to look back. I'm sure I was going to ask you a question but have forgotten. She let you speak , which was great .

Teddy:
Liam Le Guillou is a great guy, I was just caught by surprise by the "no theory" part of the statement.
He gave everything he could to make the movie, and was totally depleted.
It is just the recipe for a movie is to have closure. You have to be very big, like Josh Gates, to be able to pull it off without a theory.
Before going to shoot Expedition Unknown they wrung me up for a theory, even threaten me that to join the expedition I need to give them a theory. But Igor Pavlov only told me his version after the expedition. So in order to go to the pass I told them some cock and bull story while Mike Libecki kept repeating "It's crazy man, they all went crazy."
Aaaa, the good old days when I didn't have a theory!

Ziljoe:

--- Quote from: Teddy on March 15, 2024, 03:31:01 AM ---
Aaaa, the good old days when I didn't have a theory!

--- End quote ---

 bigjoke ha, you are committed now  thumb1. You give it credibility and I watch your developments with interest, the tree rings fascinate me. I'm terribly sceptical but I can't argue ( I will try)  with someone who suggests it was a tree and finds one a few feet away that matches dates. Hard evidence is difficult to argue against. I'm sure Igor P would be delighted.

I'm still stuck with the tent being on the slope but.....that fallen tree is pulling.

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