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General Discussion / Re: The exhumation is not Semyon Zolotarev

« Last post by GlennM on May 10, 2024, 09:09:25 PM »

Ziljoe, good to read your reply. Do you get the sense that Zolo's exhumation moves the needle on this mystery? Assuming the remains are his, I suppose nothing but bone was found. No embedded rocks, no rocket, nor bomb shards, no lead and no suspiciously high levels of radiation on hands or anywhere else. I have a distinct feeling this thread reinforces those who advocate for conspiracy, seeking proof from those bones.

If I read the forensic report on DyatlovPass.com correctly, he was dead before any healing could commence. And that points to post mortem crushing injuries.

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General Discussion / Re: The exhumation is not Semyon Zolotarev

« Last post by Ziljoe on May 10, 2024, 05:11:19 PM »

I understood your point Glennm. If there was a recorded discrepancy of any significance in height then there my be some argument in who is in the grave. Everything seems to be as it was recorded by those in 1959.

If I remember correctly, the exhumation was done by request of Zolotarev's family , this was independent to the mystery, although there might have been some outside pressure to do so. I'm sure this has been discussed in threads on the forum. ( I remember looking ).

The autopsy reports seem to be consistent with what we find, that includes who was wearing what , what was in their pockets and under their clothes.

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General Discussion / Re: The exhumation is not Semyon Zolotarev

« Last post by GlennM on May 10, 2024, 04:50:34 PM »

My point was to add grist to the mill. If the skeleton is consistent with his height,  so be it. If not, another nail in the coffin.
I still believe it odd for these bones to be dug up and looked over. So far whatever they were supposed to prove has made no significant impact one way or another. If you don't know where you are going, how will you know when you arrive?

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General Discussion / Re: Are these new photos ?

« Last post by Ziljoe on May 10, 2024, 10:47:17 AM »

I see you have added them on . Many thanks. Its useful to see if theres anything odd or corroborates what was reported.

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General Discussion / Re: Are these new photos ?

« Last post by Teddy on May 10, 2024, 10:35:58 AM »

No, but I didn't have them published. Now I do.
https://dyatlovpass.com/post-mortem

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General Discussion / Are these new photos ?

« Last post by Ziljoe on May 10, 2024, 09:44:24 AM »

Having trawled the internet, I found some new photos from the mortuary of Slobodin, or new to me at least. There are some others of poor quality .

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General Discussion / Re: The exhumation is not Semyon Zolotarev

« Last post by Ziljoe on May 10, 2024, 04:42:38 AM »

So I want to ask about measurement units. In English texts, instead of height in centimeters, I meet only feet and inches.
To understand what this means, I bookmarked the correspondence table.

https://www.hockey.dn.ua/index.php/tablitsy-razmerov/155-tablitsa-perevoda-futov-i-dyujmov-v-santimetry


172 cm = 5′ 8″
173 cm = 5′ 8″
174 cm = 5′ 8″

that is, the English use archaic, coarser units of measurement.
I encountered such sloppiness and inaccuracy in the Russian language only in the story “Mumu” about the growth of Gerasim (writer Turgenev).

Does this mean that the English crime report will record Zolotaryov's height as 5′ 8″, which makes one suspect an even greater discrepancy with what was found in the grave?

They (UK)probably would have reported his height as 5'8" in 1959. The measurement of
human body height varies throughout the day for a number of reasons. This variation can be over 3 cm, so that's over an inch. There will always be discrepancy on someone's true height throughout their lifetime and daily.

Centimetres are used to measure height in the UK but people know what 6 foot tall means , 6 feet  also gives status due to its history, also , 6 inches seems to be an important measurement......

Some things are still measured and manufactured in inches but this is mostly to do with the history of what's been manufactured. I use metric in manufacturing and medical instances but would say I'm 6 ft tall as opposed to 182.88 cm tall. It's just a bit of tradition, I wouldn't get hung up about it.

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General Discussion / Re: The exhumation is not Semyon Zolotarev

« Last post by Axelrod on May 10, 2024, 01:53:58 AM »

You should ask the experts about this.
If he died immediately after the fracture, then why should a dead person have a cellular reaction?
Another situation is if he was dragged (led) out of the tent for several hours.
It turns out that he was carried down as dead....

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General Discussion / Re: The exhumation is not Semyon Zolotarev

« Last post by GlennM on May 09, 2024, 07:37:29 PM »

Conclusion Hemorrhages in the skin (in the dermis), heart muscle and soft tissues, in the region of the rib fracture without a cellular reaction.

29/V 1959 Forensic medical expert Ganz

I am interpreting the finding written above to mean  that heart and soft tissues were cut or burst by a rib fracture. Further, I am interpreting a cellular reaction as meaning such changes to the damaged area consistent and associated with healing such as swelling, inflamation, white blood cell and platelets migration to the wound. Since there was no cellular reaction, I conclude the fracture and hemorrages occurred after death, the victim being crushed under a heavy weight of snow against a rocky surface. In short, the victim died of exposure and then sustained damage after death.

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General Discussion / Re: The exhumation is not Semyon Zolotaryov

« Last post by Axelrod on May 09, 2024, 03:48:52 PM »

So I want to ask about measurement units. In English texts, instead of height in centimeters, I meet only feet and inches.
To understand what this means, I bookmarked the correspondence table.

https://www.hockey.dn.ua/index.php/tablitsy-razmerov/155-tablitsa-perevoda-futov-i-dyujmov-v-santimetry


172 cm = 5′ 8″
173 cm = 5′ 8″
174 cm = 5′ 8″

that is, the English use archaic, coarser units of measurement.
I encountered such sloppiness and inaccuracy in the Russian language only in the story “Mumu” about the growth of Gerasim (writer Turgenev).

Does this mean that the English crime report will record Zolotaryov's height as 5′ 8″, which makes one suspect an even greater discrepancy with what was found in the grave?