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General Discussion / Re: The radioactive trace on the Dyatlov Pass
« Last post by Teddy on Today at 05:16:40 AM »
I think many fables have been made. Even the story of the clothes glowing which lead to the said tests didn't make sense.

This is funny borderline insane.
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General Discussion / Re: The radioactive trace on the Dyatlov Pass
« Last post by Ziljoe on Today at 04:48:05 AM »
Excellent teddy, say thanks to Askinadzi.

I think many fables have been made. Even the story of the clothes glowing which lead to the said tests didn't make sense. 
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General Discussion / Re: Where the Ravine 4 lay
« Last post by Ziljoe on Today at 04:28:58 AM »
Are these the image's that you refer to Glennm

https://dyatlovpass.com/vasilii-zyadik.


It does look like they were perhaps sheltering and lying next to each other for heat.

It is odd that their heads all seem to be in line with the flow of the stream, I don't know if the water would have been frozen at the time , if the water was running I can't see the reason to lay their heads in that direction .

If they lay down to shelter , I don't think it's the best way to prevent heat loss without some spruce or trees underneath.

I can only think that they were perhaps making or extending a natural snow cave formed by the stream earlier in the season. They maybe took away too much snow at the bottom of nature's naturally formed arch and there was an instant collapse of the snow bridge above. For me, this is the simplest explanation for the injuries of the ravine 4. I know not everyone agrees with that but we have a significant amount of snow above the ravine 4 ( over 3 meters) . I would say that's enough to break ribs etc.

It's impossible to know which came first, was the snow level at ravine at ground level when the hikers arrived or was it already covered and filled in?.

Possible thoughts are,  they fell through a snow bridge and couldn't get out , whilst the other 5 hikers tried to think of a way to get them out, or  that it was Lyuda Dubinina that fell through first , if there had been a snow bridge formed, then she is found potential over the weakest part of a snow bridge which is the mini waterfall that would have created a bigger space under the snow. If this was the case, then the other 3 may have being trying to rescue her crawling in from the upper part of the stream and then there was a collapse?.

It all depends on the snow level. If it was out siders, I can't see them digging through 3 meters of snow to lay 4 bodies there . If the ravine was relatively empty , how would outsiders know it would fill up to over 3 meters of snow?. Why not put all 9 bodies in the same hole?

It's difficult to fathom any method in outsiders thought process of what they would leave behind for others to find.
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General Discussion / Re: The radioactive trace on the Dyatlov Pass
« Last post by Teddy on Today at 04:24:34 AM »
I solicited an opinion from someone who is currently a NPP safety consultant. She read the criminal case and responded but does not want her name to be mentioned:
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XX: It is difficult to draw a conclusions. There is not enough information. Did the students have classes and exercises in nuclear physics? In those years, the rules were not very strict and it is possible that they got infected in the laboratories.
It's a pity they didn't do an isotopic analysis. Just beta contamination, more like work/test/experiment contamination. We o not know exactly what the radioactive material is, for example, Cs-137 (cesium) or another substance - strontium.
Teddy: The one the contaminated clothes belong to was a nuclear physics student (Kolevatov).
XX: Perhaps he contaminated the rest.
Teddy: But only his clothes were contaminated, he and one more participant who worked on Chelyabinsk-40 when there was an accident (Krivonischenko).
XX: Most likely, this is the reason. In those years, there were still no such strict rules for safe work with radioactive substances.

Askinadzi answered me in a private mail. He browsed our forum and said that a lot of information needs correction and/or revision. He is still more comfortable giving me his comments in mails and I will post (translate) them for you.
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Да, нам читали курс «Ядерная физика» (для информации – нам читали девять (!!) разных физик), однако никаких практических или лабораторных работ не было.
Следует учитывать, что Кривонищенко был строителем, он не работал на основном производстве. Авария произошла в 1957 году, к 1959 году было проведено несколько актов дезактивации территории «Маяка». Уровень радиации снизили практически до естественного.

Я внимательно прочитал размышления Игоря Павлова и полностью согласен с ним.
«Поэтому измерить или увидеть что-то на образцах, которые подверглись облучению в принципе невозможно (естественно, пока не начались симптомы лучевой болезни).
Когда говорится о гистологических образцах, я это понимаю, как образцы человеческих органов, подготовленные для гистологического исследования. Т.е. тонкие срезы для исследования под микроскопом. В УД есть результаты гистологических исследований для последней четверки.
Левашов исследовал не гистологические образцы (в понимании выше), а золу от образцов человеческих тканей. Т.е формально это не есть образцы для гистологических исследований. Гистологические образцы не передавались на радиометрическую экспертизу.
Исследования Левашова установили факт незначительного радиоактивного загрязнения образцов человеческих тканей. Это значит, что каким-то образом изотопы оказались в образцах = в организме человека».
 
А теперь моё мнение о проблеме радиоактивности.
Иванов затребовал исследование на радиоактивность, проявив инициативность и не согласовывая это ни с кем. Левашов ответил на его любопытство. Но специалисты, которые тогда понимали результаты лучше Иванова, объяснили ему, что он получил «мыльный пузырь». Этим всё дело и кончилось. Если бы были получены значимые результаты, то дальнейшие исследования, более глубокие, непременно бы были продолжены. А так, зашили результаты в дело, засекретили всё дело…и успокоились на долгие годы. А поисковики в лихом азарте стали сочинять небылицы, что делают и до сих пор!
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Yes, we had "Nuclear Physics" course (for information, we were taught by nine (!!) different physicists), but there was no practical or laboratory work.
It should be taken into account that Krivonischenko was a builder; he did not work in the main production. The accident occurred in 1957; by 1959, several acts of decontamination of the Mayak territory had been carried out. The radiation level was reduced almost to natural levels.

I carefully read Igor Pavlov’s thoughts and completely agree with him.
"Therefore, it is in principle impossible to measure or see anything on samples that have been exposed to radiation (naturally, until symptoms of radiation sickness begin).
When we refer to histological samples, I understand this as samples of human organs prepared for histological examination. These are thin sections for examination under a microscope. The case files contain the results of histological studies for the last four.
Levashov did not examine histological samples (as understood above), but ash from human tissue samples. That is, formally these are not samples for histological studies. Histological samples were not submitted for radiometric examination.
Levashov's studies established the fact of minor radioactive contamination of human tissue samples. This means that somehow the isotopes ended up in the samples = in the human body."
 
And now my opinion about the radioactive contamination.
Ivanov requested a radioactivity test, showing initiative and without coordinating this with anyone. Levashov answered his curiosity. But the specialists, who then understood the results better than Ivanov, explained to him that he had received "soap bubble" (meaning nothing of importance). That was the end of the matter. If significant results had been obtained, then further, deeper studies would certainly have been continued. And so, they filed the results into the case, classified the whole matter... and cooled down for many years. And the searchers, in their wild excitement, began to invent fables, which they still do to this day!
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General Discussion / Re: The radioactive trace on the Dyatlov Pass
« Last post by Teddy on May 06, 2024, 10:52:30 PM »
Found this article/images in Google :Historic Images Part Number: mjc18542.....sending an image but not a photo...when click on this 'EBAY" will not allow to copied image.

The link is https://www.ebay.com/itm/354924328840
Right click, Save image as



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General Discussion / Re: Where the Ravine 4 lay
« Last post by GlennM on May 06, 2024, 08:44:26 PM »
See the image on Dyatlovpass.com. This is what I am referring to. Discussion is welcome.
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General Discussion / Re: The radioactive trace on the Dyatlov Pass
« Last post by KathleenDSmith1 on May 06, 2024, 05:28:52 PM »
Everyone and Teddy:

Found this article/images in Google :Historic Images Part Number: mjc18542.....sending an image but not a photo...when click on this 'EBAY" will not allow to copied image.   Maybe this part number or if you could the images can help you with "What might had happened"


Thanks
Kathleen Dee Smith

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General Discussion / Re: Where the Ravine 4 lay
« Last post by KathleenDSmith1 on May 06, 2024, 05:09:19 PM »
Everyone and Teddy:

sending an image of where the 4 hikers laid, (found)...



Thanks
Kathleen Dee Smith
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General Discussion / Where the Ravine 4 lay
« Last post by GlennM on May 06, 2024, 05:06:23 PM »
I looked at the current image file of the ravine 4 on Dyatlov Pass.com. It looks like they all just decided to take a nap. If I were to guess, they left the snow den and were following the stream down hill and got too lethargic. Surely, they were not posed.
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General Discussion / Re: Vladimir Askinadzi
« Last post by Ziljoe on May 06, 2024, 10:27:19 AM »
as i understand it, it was only mentioned after the tourists had not returned, it was speculation.
Yuri Yudin said very clearly that denunciations of Dyatlov and his friends were written during his studies. I'm tired of repeating it.

It's important to be factual, Yuri Yudin said lots of things and they changed over time. I'm cautious of people cherry picking statements or hearsay.

How many people had denunciations against them in the Soviet Union at that time? Was it common practice so to speak?. Did people just report other people to the authorities for fun or hate?. Were these said denunciations pre incident or post incident?.

The point is , it doesn't make sense. There are no signs of outsiders, all 9 hikers wouldn't have been involved plus the 10th hiker Zolo.
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