Theories Discussion > Murdered
A problem with homicide theories
Jean Daniel Reuss:
--- Quote from: Ziljoe on June 01, 2022, 10:03:42 AM --- Reply #94
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No, we completely exclude snow.http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&sho...ost&p=60669
apparently read the forums:
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&sho...ost&p=64056
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&sho...ost&p=64055
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&sho...ost&p=68377
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It is likely that you want to provide the explanations that can be found on one of the 112 web pages of the forum
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133
also referred to as: "The tragedy at Dyatlov Pass, Memories. Testimonies. Chronicle."
Unfortunately for me, who thanks to machine translation software (DeepL, Yandex translate....) deciphers Russian posts very difficultly and most of all very slowly, the format of your URL address (which seems abbreviated) is unusable in practice.
On the other hand I have no difficulty in finding the posts that are indicated in a complete and precise way by Igor B. !
For example :
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=56231
guides us to post #198 by Igor B. on page 10 (out of 112) of this forum, where we see photos of the Den-Ravine area taken at the end of February or beginning of March 1959.
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--- Quote from: Ziljoe on June 01, 2022, 10:03:42 AM --- Reply #94
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Tumanov changes his view point.
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[unusable URL address]
[https://youtu.be/QPpGQwprYP4?t=13m34s ----> video not available in France]
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Well, it's never too late to acquire professional knowledge, but it was better to do it before previous media interviews.
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For me, the self-proclaimed advocate of the TOKEB theory (Tumanov - Oestmoen - Kandr - EBE - BottledBrunette), it is clear that the explanation of the DPI by a simple criminal attack did not please the Soviet power (Krushchev) in 1959, and does not please the present Russian power (Putin) either.
(Note first that TOKEB obviously disagrees with most of the arguments, despite their numerous and detailed nature, supported by Igor B., which can be read on the 112 pages of http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133
En 1959 :
Andrey Kirilenko (1st Secretary of the Sverdlovsk Regional Committee of the CPSU) summoned Korotaev(1936-2012) to the investigator's office and unequivocally explained:
"Khrushchev is notified that the students froze to death and the case must be closed."
Moreover, I consider that Korotaev and Ivanov did not lie when they described the surprise attack of trained and determined killers as an overwhelming force which the hikers were unable to overcome."
Similarly in the years 2018 -2020 Eduard Tumanov "under the watchful eye of the Kremlin custodians of the Dyatlov Group's death", was warned by Putin's collaborators to stop talking in public or on television about anything that might suggest criminal explanations of the DPI.
Obviously, like Korotaev and Ivanov before him, Eduard Tumanov preferred to avoid serious trouble in his life and chose to publicly state that he had changed his view point.
About Tumanov's forced change, you can read Aleks Kandr's argument on his website (but it is long !) :
http://mystery12home.ru/t-ub-gr-dyatlova-3
and a discussion on the same subject on taina.li :
https://taina.li/forum/index.php?topic=14852.0
Personally, I approve of Tumanov not wanting to ruin his life by telling the truth about the 9 murders, which is an old case that is relatively unimportant compared to recent events like the war in Ukraine !
As Per Inge Oestmoen skilfully expresses it "bodies do not lie", and what interests me now are the "WHO" and "WHY" questions.
In France, in Russia and in every country in the world, government censorship exists. So how do you explain that on taina.li, the discusion launched by Aleks Kandr = Aleks K is blocked ?
https://taina.li/forum/index.php?board=112.0
https://taina.li/forum/index.php?topic=1002.0
Blocked topic
Игорь Б.:
--- Quote from: Jean Daniel Reuss on June 02, 2022, 03:42:35 PM ---Unfortunately for me, who thanks to machine translation software (DeepL, Yandex translate....) deciphers Russian posts very difficultly and most of all very slowly
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Установите Google translate в ваш браузер и переводите всю страницу прямо в браузере. Перевод всей страницы занимает 1 секунду.
Или установите браузер Brave (бесплатно). В нем Google translate уже установлен. Заодно забудете что такое реклама. Я пользуюсь в основном браузером Brave.
P.S.
--- Quote from: Jean Daniel Reuss on June 02, 2022, 03:42:35 PM ---Obviously, like Korotaev and Ivanov before him, Eduard Tumanov preferred to avoid serious trouble in his life and chose to publicly state that he had changed his view point.
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Нет, Туманов потом опять стал утверждать, что это было убийство и пытки. Причем такие заявления он делал и на радио и на главном телеканале страны:
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=106586
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=95337
В России можно говорить всё что угодно. Наказываются только клевета и оскорбления.
Ziljoe:
I have little belief or trust in any governments or organisations Jean Daniel Reuss.
However, the links I gave are from Igor b's 112 page hypothesis, theory or whatever you want to call it. He has done robust research and gives many examples and evidence of how he concludes much of the narrative of the DPI. I copied and pasted some of his ,to English for those that struggle to look at a website that can't translate to what I believe to be strong arguments in the interpretations.
I believe the U tube video is down at the moment as it won't open for me but that might be due to current world events.
No idea about my URL address? I have no problems looking at any website, whether that be German , Italian , Dutch etc. Everyone has a point and a story, nor do I rule out , outsiders. I just think that Igor b has a more persuasive and researched theory to the events than the TOKEB theory.
I am happy to read the step by step events though.
Ziljoe:
Jean Daniel Reuss.look at Igor b links. Read it from their beginning. I was copying and pasting for others that may read the posts.
Charles:
nothing here
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