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how did they start the fire

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ilahiyol:

--- Quote from: Почемучка on December 26, 2022, 11:34:45 PM ---
--- Quote from: ilahiyol on December 26, 2022, 12:50:47 PM ---In other words, we will not know the size of the fire and the answers to questions such as what they burned and where. They lit the fire and climbed into the cedar tree and watched the tent and its surroundings. They wanted to see if the unknown coercive force was still there. Because they hoped he would go. They had hopes to live. Yuri, the tallest and strongest, climbed the tree. He broke off large branches that blocked the view.

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Почему никто не вспоминает классиков? Джека Лондона? Ведь это у него в рассказе "To Build a Fire" снег свалившийся с веток дерева - потушил с трудом разведенный костер.

Ну что же это за такое? Ведь эта история известна давно и Джека Лондона вряд ли кто-то не читал. Это замечательный автор. И в наших инструкциях для туристов - отдельно поясняется что надо ветки отряхивать от снега, если нужно костер именно под деревом устроить.
Посмотрите - под каким деревом устроен костер. Как нависают его ветки. Какие они заснеженные даже на поисковых фотографиях.
Исследователями уже давно доказано, что ничего там не видно с кедра на палатку. И если это в метель - то вообще ничего и совершено ничего. Даже если палатка бы горела синим пламенем, то в постоянно там имеющуюся флаговую метель - ничего не разглядеть.


Why does no one remember the classics? Jack London? After all, it was in his story "To Build a Fire" that snow fell from the branches of a tree - it put out a fire that had been made with difficulty.

Look - under what tree the fire is arranged. How its branches hang. How snowy they are even in search photographs.
Researchers have long proven that nothing is visible there from the cedar to the tent. And if it's in a snowstorm, then nothing at all and absolutely nothing. Even if the tent would burn with a blue flame, then in the constantly existing flag blizzard, nothing could be seen.

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The mountain slope is clearly visible from the cedar. And there was no possible storm. Had it been, Dytlov Rustam and Zina would not have been able to return to the tent. It is not possible to go to an uphill tent 1 mile away in a storm. In the dark and in extreme cold, this is not possible. So the weather was calm and it was around -10 degrees. And if there was a storm, there would be no lantern above the tent. And the corpses found on the hillside would be thrown far away. But they remained as they died. So there was no storm.

Почемучка:

--- Quote from: ilahiyol on December 27, 2022, 08:42:52 AM ---The mountain slope is clearly visible from the cedar. And there was no possible storm. Had it been, Dytlov Rustam and Zina would not have been able to return to the tent. It is not possible to go to an uphill tent 1 mile away in a storm. In the dark and in extreme cold, this is not possible. So the weather was calm and it was around -10 degrees. And if there was a storm, there would be no lantern above the tent. And the corpses found on the hillside would be thrown far away. But they remained as they died. So there was no storm.

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Вы там были лично, что так заявляете? Даже с верхушки кедра там не особо видно. Флаговая метель там всегда бывает при ветре. При таком виде метели  - переносимый снег не даст ничего видеть. Это как густой туман над горою. Внизу у кедра может быть тихо и вроде не снежно, а на горе будут вихри враждебные. Я вот недавно с Борзенковым на эту тему видимости от кедра в сторону палатки выясняла. Ничего не видно. Костер под кедром был виден бы  с небольшого расстояния, не далее панорамного холма.
Вы так рассуждаете, потому что на карту местности даже не смотрели, чтоб понять какой там перепад высот.

You were there in person, what do you say? Even from the top of the cedar there is not particularly visible. The flag blizzard there always happens with the wind. With this type of blizzard, the portable snow will not allow you to see anything. It's like a thick fog over a mountain. At the bottom of the cedar it can be quiet and it seems not snowy, but on the mountain there will be hostile whirlwinds. I recently clarified with Borzenkov on this topic of visibility from the cedar towards the tent. I can not see anything. The fire under the cedar would have been visible from a short distance, no further than the panoramic hill.
You argue like this because you didn’t even look at the map of the area to understand what the elevation difference is there.

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