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Hakimov's interrogation

( Original title )

Author Galina Sazonova

The cooperation with the prosecutor's office, which began in September last year, made us look somewhat differently at the materials of the criminal case on the death of a group of hikers led by Igor Dyatlov in the Urals in the winter of 1959. We decided to try not to focus our opinion on riddles, but to try to find a simple and logical explanation for them.

The writer Oleg Arhipov found and studied the archives of the investigator Korotaev, and one document attracted particularly close attention. We are talking about the note of the Prosecutor Tempalov.

Instructions in this memo are not only to attend the trial in the case of Adam Reeb (and it was this fact that helped us figure out the true date of writing the note), but also a request to interrogate the head of the lag department Hakimov.

"In addition, on the instructions of the regional prosecutor to interrogate the chief of the logging branch of Vizhay Hakimovwhether the leader of the hikers group (who died) said that they will return to Vizhay not on 12.II. 59 but 15.II.59."

An examination carried out by the prosecutor's office established that this particular issue was the most important for Tempalov at the time of writing the note, and he continued to think about February and the deceased group, reflexively putting down the same dates further. And if this issue was so important for the prosecutor, it means that it deserves our close attention. Moreover, now many researchers of the mystery pose a legitimate question: "If there was an order to interrogate Hakimov, then why is there no protocol of his interrogation in the materials of the Criminal case?"

Hakimov Zakiy Gasimovich, born in 1923, participant in the Second World War, member of the CPSU, was a career soldier and was the head of the 8th camp department located in the village of Vizhay. It was from Vizhay that the Dyatlov group went on their last trek and had to return there, notifying the Sports club with a telegram about the end of the expedition. It is quite natural that when the group did not return at the appointed time, the first thing they did was call Vizhay. What if you forgot to send a telegram or the mail was closed?

Gordo's testimony:
"Blinov, a member of the hiking section bureau, told me that the Dyatlov group would return to Vizhay on about February 14-15, 1959, allegedly Yudin, who was also part of Dyatlov's group, had said so, when he returned due to illness on the way. Therefore, the Sports club started looking into the reason for the non-return of the hikers from the Dyatlov group only after February 15, 1959...

Searchers were not sent on February 16 this year because we got through to Vizhay only on the night of February 17... On February 18 he called Vizhay again. I was told that a group of the local population was getting ready, and that they saw a group of hikers."

Lev Semyonovich Gordo, the chairman of the UPI sports club, seems to be justifying himself before the investigation why the search was not started on February 16. He makes it clear that Vizhay has taken the lead. Gordo does not name Hakimov, but can such issues be resolved without the participation of the head of the log department, who controls the settlement?

However, calls to Vizhay did not bring the expected result and Lev Semyonovich, together with Yuri Blinov, a friend of Igor Dyatlov, fly to location on the morning of February 20.

Oddly enough, but it was precisely on the phrase "on the morning of February 20 of this year that Blinov and I flew to Ivdel." where the interrogation of Lev Semyonovich was interrupted. Yuri Blinov was not interrogated at all.

The next to arrive in Vizhay on February 22 is a group of students led by Boris Slobtsov. In the memoirs of Boris Slobtsov there is a story about the capture of fugitive prisoners, which gave rise to a number of versions associated with gulag convicts, aka zeks.

But there really was an escape! In the State Archives, they managed to find a book of escape registration for 1959, from which it follows that on February 19, a group of three prisoners escaped immediately after Gordo called Vizhay. They will only be caught on February 21, when Gordo and Blinov were already there. Does thsi have something to do with why the investigation doesn't ask them what exactly happened on the spot at that period?

 

Dyatlov Pass: Ivdellag escapes 1959

Escape
date
Date of
detention
and entry №
Full name Year
of birth
Art.
and
term
From what
division
Regime From where
Ivdellag
1.    19.II 21.II. №153 Madzhigatov Sultan Gamzabhanovich 1938 Art. 206-7,14 USSR
12 years
general   reg.
2.    19.II 21.II Ivanov Vasiliy Georgievich 1933 Art. 136, 182
25 years
   – " –      reg.
3.    19.II 21.II Nadvorny Yuri Yakovlevich 1931 Decree
6 years
   – " –      reg.

 

There should have been a large-scale search not for the Dyatlov group, but escaped convicts. After all, this is exactly what is included in the direct responsibilities of the colony leadership. And you can be sure that in accordance with the instructions, having notified Moscow about the group escape that took place, they deployed the search headquarters, informed the secretary of the Party Committee of the Party, police, transport police, interviewed the local population, geologists, flew around the territory, looked for and analyzed all tracks. And, for sure, they were happy when the search was successfully completed on February 21.

Prosecutor Tempalov's interrogation protocol:
"On February 21, 1959 I learned from the Secretary of the Ivdel CC CPSU comrade Prodanov that a group of nine hikers did not return to the Polytechnic Institute from a trip to Sverdlovsk."

On February 21, the final meeting of the headquarters of the search for the escaped convicts was supposed to take place and it was at this moment that the Prosecutor Tempalov first learned about the disappearance of the Dyatlov group.

On February 23, the Slobtsov group is flown to Otorten.

Who decides that a group of students should be dropped off there? After all, both Evgeniy Maslennikov and Colonel Ortyukov, who led the subsequent searches, are still in Sverdlovsk, and there is just a discussion about how to conduct the search operation. On February 21, Maslennikov still thinks "that one of the participants could have injured his leg, and the group had to help the hiker, which is slowing their movement. Or that one of the hikers fell ill with the flu and the whole group was sitting in a secluded place."

On February 23, a meeting at the UPI is just gathering and there is "a discussion about the details of the preparation of the group, about the route, about what, in my opinion, could have happened with the group and about my considerations for organizing the search."

Maslennikov compares the search area with the territory of Belgium and suggests sending several groups along the entire Dyatlov route, and the Slobtsov group is already just a few kilometers from the site of the tragedy.

But the Slobtsov group was the only group of students with whom two more local people went in search: the head of the fire department of the same log camp, an experienced hunter Aleksey Cheglakov and a forester of Vizhay Ivan Vasilyevich Pashin.

Cheglakov's testimony:
"on the orders of the Chief of the logging branch Hakimov, together with the forester Ivan Pashin I flew by helicopter to the site of the death of a group of hikers near Mount Otorten."

Much later, Mihail Sharavin, who happened to find a tent on the slope, analyzing the events of those days, came to the conclusion that the forester Pashin sent them to the tent, and he himself remained to wait aside. And this feeling is confirmed in the materials of the criminal case. All students are sure that the tent was found on the 4th day of the search, February 26, but Pashin and Cheglakov assure that they found the tent earlier, on the second day of the search.

Cheglakov's testimony:
"On the second day we found the tent of the hikers which was located in the upper reaches of rivers Auspiya and Lozva at the height of the mountain Verhuspiya. It was badly drifted by snow. We did not go inside."

Pashin's testimony:
"On the first day of the search, once descended into the Auspiya we found ski tracks from the hikers. Here we pitched a tent, spend the night, divided into three groups and went to look for the hikers, as a result of the search we found a tent with belongings that was not clearly seen since it was covered with snow, we did not go into the tent. The tent was found in the upper sources of Auspiya and Lozva at the height of the mountain Verhuspiya."

One can suspect that they were "lost" in the days of searching. But in order to dispel these doubts, both emphasize that if the tent was discovered on the second day (at Pashin's - after the first overnight stay), then the first bodies were discovered on the fifth day of the search.

"On the fifth day of our search we found 4 bodies covered with snow and on this day we were taken back home with helicopter to the village of Vizhay." (Pashin)

Cheglakov and Pashin assure that "they did go inside" the tent. But should they have tried to look into it? After all, the entrance withstood. This is not very convenient to do, especially when it is dark in the tent, but you can always try to shine a flashlight? And turn it off after that, because during the day it is not needed outside, and then accidentally forget it on the top. And then there will be snow under it, and above it there will be a little snow, which was swept in several days, until the students "found" the tent. The flashlight will work, since it has not been in the cold for a month, but only for a few days and the batteries would not have time to discharge.

Tempalov does not mention the flashlight in the protocol on the discovery of the campsite, although he was obliged. Maybe because Cheglakov and Pashin confessed to him that it was their flashlight? Maybe this explains the fact that Tempalov does not show much interest in inspecting the tent, knowing that since the tragedy many have already visited and examined it, which means the scene has been contaminated?

Ivdel is a small town, whose life is closely connected with the life of the gulag, and the escape of the prisoners was an important and unpleasant event. What if we assume that during the break, the convicts stumbled upon the scene of the tragedy and, fearing that the deaths of people could be associated with them, chose to surrender? Boris Slobtsov says that the escapees surrendered themselves. And then the local leadership, knowing the approximate area of ??the tragedy, directed their people to assess the situation and try to keep the situation under control.

But all this happens in February, and the need to interrogate Hakimov arises in April, two months later. The memo states the purpose of the interrogation:

"whether the leader of the hikers group (who died) said that they will return to Vizhay not on 12.II. 59 but 15.II.59."

This means that the investigation is concerned not so much with the organization of the searches but when it started.

On April 14, a few days before the memo was written, the parents of the deceased hikers sharply speak out against the institute and sports organizations.

Rustem Slobodin's father: "Knowing that Dyatlov’s group had to return on February 13th, after this period I called the sports club at UPI... The search for the group began 18 days after the disaster, and the place of death was found only 26 days after the accident that caused the death. Obviously, with such a time frame and pace of carrying out measures to find the group, it was impossible to count on the provision of assistance and the rescue of any of its participants."

Aleksander Kolevatov's sister: "I then called the city sports club comrade Ufimtsev. He assured me that there is nothing to worry about, that the group is delayed for a week and they are on their way back. A certain fact is indignant and criminal: Gordo informed UPI party committee that a telegram had been received from Vizhay on February 18 reporting a delay of the group."

Lyuda Dubinina's father: "These soulless and heartless leaders didn't express any concern for the fate of the group 8 days after the planned return date to Vizhay (12/II) and started looking for the group only after the intervention of the CPSU Regional Committee, namely 21/II."

In a telegram addressed to Khrushchev says the same
"Search began late only after 10 days had passed"

The parents of the deceased are clearly trying to hold representatives of sports organizations accountable for such a late start of the search, and they are trying to justify themselves, referring to information received from Igor Dyatlov about the postponement of the return.

Gordo: "it was allegedly said by Yudin who was a participant in Dyatlov group, but had to turn back due to illness."

On April 15 Yuri Yudin denied knowing about any changes in the return date of the trek.

"Question: When you parted with comrade Dyatlov, did he tell you that the return date will be moved from the February 2nd to February 15th of 1959?
Answer: No, there was no talk about the deadline being postponed to 15/II-59.

Who else could have Dyatlov discussed this with? The head of the logging camp department Hakimov is one of the last people to see Dyatlov alive. Immediately after Yuri Yudin's testimony Tempalov flies out to question Hakimov on the same issue. What was Hakimov doing at the time when he had to start looking for the Dyatlov group? How come the interrogation protocol is not in the case files?

The continuation of this article is published in Komsomolskaya Pravda –›

Text in Russian

« Last Edit: October 08, 2020, 04:31:58 AM by Teddy »
 

September 19, 2020, 10:12:00 AM
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Jean Daniel Reuss





Hakimov's interrogation
( Original title )

   " But there really was an escape! In the State Archives, they managed to find a book of escape registration for 1959, from which it follows that on February 19, a group of three prisoners escaped immediately after Gordo called Vizhay. They will only be caught on February 21, when Gordo and Blinov were already there. Does thsi have something to do with why the investigation doesn't ask them what exactly happened on the spot at that period ?
.............There should have been a large-scale search not for the Dyatlov group, but escaped convicts...."


     •••   If I understand correctly, there is no relation between the 3 zeks who escaped on February 19 th, then recaptured on February 21 th, and the organization of the rescue for the disappearance of Dyatlov's group.

     •••  On the other hand a question remains : was the tent really seen on the slope of the Kholat Syakhl by Pashin and Cheglakov on February 24 th, 1959 ?

•  Cheglakov's testimony:
   " On the second day we found the tent of the hikers which was located in the upper reaches of rivers Auspiya and Lozva at the height of the mountain Verhuspiya. It was badly drifted by snow. We did not go inside...."

•  Pashin's testimony:
    " Here we pitched a tent, spend the night, divided into three groups and went to look for the hikers, as a result of the search we found a tent with belongings that was not clearly seen since it was covered with snow, we did not go into the tent..."

•  Teddy  on ( When was the tent found and why was it kept a secret for two days )
"...Unbelievable! Pashin and Cheglakov didn't tell anybody about this essential finding neither on February 24, returning to the base camp, nor on February 25, nor on the 26th, everybody else in the serach party is looking for this tent, and they both say nothing to nobody.
And, judging by the protocol, even the investigator doesn’t have any reaction to that.

Maybe someone gave instructions to Pashin and Cheglakov ahead of time not to tell anyone about the tent, and the investigator knows this ? This is where modern conspiracy theorists come in..."


   •••   Aïe !  Ouch ! Ouch ! I feel I'm going to be placed in the category of modern conspiracy theorists....


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First possibility: There was an error somewhere.

Here are some answers:

    Theories Discussion  / General Discussion / When was the tent found and why was it kept a secret for two days [/b]
   •    Teddy   : April 10, 2019, 08:32:03 AM
https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=413.msg5003#msg5003
   
   •    sarapuk : April 24, 2019, 12:51:19 PM      ;Reply #1
https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=413.msg5499#msg5499
    " ...Well it is a bit of a mystery, but could Pashin and Cheglakov have made a mistake with their timing ! ?..."

   •    Loose}{Cannon   : April 24, 2019, 03:25:08 PM   ; Reply #2
https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=413.msg5504#msg5504
     " ...He does not state what date, or that is was the first following day after being dropped off on the 23rd.  All it says is "as a result of the search..."

   •    Glacon   : April 25, 2019, 08:52:37 AM  ;  Reply #3
https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=413.msg5515#msg5515
    " ...I don't know that there's anything suspicious about this...besides, what are 2 guys gonna do in 2 days with regard to restaging a tent and bodies, etc. etc.
We don't really know how many hours at a time they were unaccounted for by the other searchers either, right ?"



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Second possibility: There was absolutely no error at all.
In truth, on February 24, Pashin and Cheglakov actually saw the tent on the slope of Kholat Syakhl.

 •••  without entering it and without talking about it to anyone other than the KGB investigator. •••

As you will understand in this paragraph, this hypothesis (tent spotted on February 24th) fits (and complements) perfectly with my hypothesis N°3 - which is largely inspired by the sites in Russian of Aleks Kandr   - "Date Registered: October 29, 2019, 01:06:21 / Posts: 0", and top ligne of :
                                                   https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=433.msg5839#msg5839
     http://mystery12home.ru/t-ub-gr-dyatlova
     https://taina.li/forum/index.php?topic=1002.0
     https://taina.li/forum/index.php?topic=14852.0.
     ..............................................

Before going further, I point out that WAB supports other entirely different explanations.

   •    WAB : Murdered / Murder Indead December =>  08, 2018, 02:26:55 PM -> Reply #37
https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=110.msg2379#msg2379
   " ...Conversation on that that they wanted to devote travel to party congress is very strongly exaggerated. They wrote about it only in 2 places: in a note for this purpose that Rustem Slobodin would grant leave in due time and in the leaflet “Evening Otorten” (in the playful form). It was time when for officials that was necessary that to mention such event, and among themselves on this theme they did not conduct any conversations. They had other interests and themes for conversations. As they were at all normal people in all countries. Participation in this sports and difficult travel and that defines interest in any sports was the main thing for a bottom: to test itself and aspiration to self-improvement. Therefore to do a strong emphasis on a political component in this group will be an error."


   ••• The XXI° Congress of the CPSU (27 January 1959-5 February 1959) was of no importance for the 9 depoliticized hikers, but on the contrary terribly feared by the Stalinist agents of the NKVD, who gradually lost all their privileges with the dismantling of the Gulag as wanted by Khrushchev by using of the KGB.



   •    WAB : New Press Conference =>  July 12, 2020, 11:53:46 AM    ;  Reply #13
https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=665.msg9983#msg9983
   " Don't pay attention to this article, it's fake.
2 days before Sharavin and Slobtsov found the tent, Pashin and Cheglakov were in his (Boris Slobtsov was the leader of the group) group together with all the others and did not go far away. They were constantly seen by all the other group members. It takes almost 2 days for the whole group (11 people) reach the tent from the place the journalists are thinking about.  This is exactly as long as the whole group needs go there. And they had to go back and move on with the group.
Or are you a supporter of alien tragression?
There are no miracles in nature, and what illiterate journalists write (about the movement and possibilities of people) does not exist in life.
In addition, this is understandable because everyone in the group, who said something about this search, claimed that Pashin and Cheglakov were very badly oriented on the ground in the place where they landed from the helicopter.
They did not report it just because they found nothing. There was nothing to report."


   •    WAB : Photo number 14 from the searching party  =>  July 17, 2019, 08:38:21 AM     ;    Reply #10
https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=454.msg6353#msg6353
   " Ivan Pashin and Alexey Cheglakov did not concern KGB. KGB had no in search participation, because there was no reason for this purpose. It is well warmed up hearings. For this purpose, what speak about KGB participation it would be necessary have very considerable reason of their interest to this case. Such reason anybody find (or prove even it as good) cannot till now. However there are many such people, which else in the childhood have not stopped play as spies.
It is possible continue search for black cat in dark room still very long. And wait when there will be archives which simply does not exist. "


   •    WAB :   Photo number 14 from the searching party  =>  August 01, 2019, 01:14:13 PM    ;  Reply #20
https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=454.msg6504#msg6504
   "   If tell about this forum then all is very traditional for this theme (about Dyatlov pass). It is lot of conversations on themes which cannot be seen on place of events. And they do not concern events. Very often all constantly repeats. Same theories are discussed with different variations permanently. At us it is called “To go on circle” and “To attack the same rake”. Here is playful illustration about this concept:..."


  •••  Needless to say that my hypothesis N°3 is in total disagreement with the theories of WAB , but at least, it seems to me that I am not going on the same circle nor that I do not attack with the same rake.

The DPI, which took place during the period of the Khrushchevian thaw (1953-1964), was associated with the KGB's attempts to purge the NKVD, which in 1959 was still employing a large number of Stalinist sadistic torturers, to the great shame of all Soviet patriots who were aware of it.

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NKVD
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KGB




The KGB had been warned (of the return of 3 suspects to the area around Vizhay) at the beginning of February and had and consequently proceeded to arrest and then interrogate ( in an effective manner) the three murderers as early as February 6 th, or perhaps later, around February 20 th.

There was thus, as early as February 1959, an important investigator of the KGB, mandated by Moscow, to find the murderers of the 9 hikers and this KGB investigator
already suspected that the origin of the attack came from an NKVD officer.

This KGB investigator, of course, as WAB wisely points out, was working in a comfortable heated office, with a telephone in one hand, and with the collaboration and help of many other functionaries.

So to explain that the tent had been seen as early as February 24 th, here is the outline of a dialogue of which you must retain only the meaning.

 --->  The KGB investigator to  Pashin and Cheglakov, february 22 th, 1959 :
I have been informed that you are part of one of the Dyatlov Group's research teams. Go and check if on the slope of the Kholat Syakhl you see a tent about 1 km above the tree line, but do not touch anything.

 --->   Pashin and Cheglakov to the KGB investigator,  february 24 th, 1959 :
Yes sir. At the place that you indicated to us, on the slope of the Kholat Syakhl, we have indeed seen an abandoned tent.

 --->   The KGB investigator then thought of receiving this confirmation :
I am happy because my reasoning was correct. I do not need to know any more details at this time. Now here is what I am going to do :

    1) I am waiting for the statements of the other rescuers who will soon find the tent, and then the corpses in a few days - (This happened on February 26th with the discovery of the tent by Slobtsov and Sharavin).
    2) I am waiting for instructions from Moscow.
    3) I am going to put the morgue in Ivdel under surveillance because NKVD partisans (mercenaries, agents..) would risk entering without proper authorization and would insinuating themselves into the morgue with the aim of disguising the corpses in order to falsify the results of the autopsy of the hikers (Aleks Kandr's idea).


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To concretize the promising lead found by Aleks Kandr (1 commander and attack by 3 mercenaries), here are some key points that remain to be developed.
 

     WHO

The commander ( mastermind, client..) was a Stalinist officer of the NKVD whose situation had some similarities with that of Boris Rodos (1905-1955).
https://russian7.ru/post/boris-rodos-chto-stalo-s-samym-zhestokim/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Rodos

The commander was an NKVD officer with a role in the leadership of the Uchtchinsky Colony No. 64 / 349-Ivdellag and who had had contacts with Dyatlov's group in the village of Vizhay.

The 3 mercenaries were former guards of the Gulag camps specialized in the pursuit and neutralization of the (few) zeks who managed to escape from the NKVD-run camps.


    WHY

The Gulag system, maintained and strengthened by Joseph Stalin between 1929 and 1953, not only martyred and killed millions of zeks but also, so to speak, created a certain number of sadistic torturers among the personnel who did not accept the dismantling of the Gulag ordered by Khrushchev.

Ainsi, par exemple,  Danzig Baldaev (1925-2005) etait un officier du NKGB en fonction dans le Gulag
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/oct/17/drawings-gulag-danzig-baldaev-reviews.
"...Atrocities of Gulag are wellknown - a lot of evidence by eyewitnesses and victims of the Gulag themselves - mentioned here in this article may have happened indeed as individual episode as obviously there was some persent of sadists among NKVD personell ( law enforcement, army and service in penetenciary system attract more % of sadists then ordinary professions as it is proved by psychologists).

The hikers (or only some of them), who were well secured in the UPI, were not aware of the political and security situation in their motherland.

All it took was the voucher and Dubinina's justified protests to unleash the revenge of the commander, who was a sadistic and cruel sociopath.


   HOW

   1) Total surprise, good tactics and mental preparation played in favour of the 3 attackers. A military maxim is :
" History teaches us that the most serious risk is the one we cannot imagine (often due to ignorance or lack of information). "
And the hikers, as well as the "route commisssion" at the DPI, had a false illusion of solitude and security on the slope of the Kholat Syakhl.

2) The exit of the tent without the axes can only be explained by cunning (trickery, deception, false flag...):
The attackers won the hikers' trust and recognition (during the first few minutes) with many kind and compassionate words.

A famous example of a ruse to succeed in killing a victim on his guard is the murder of Leon Trotsky by Ramon mercader, who for several months managed to convince Trosky of his  deep friendship (in order to be in a position to hit him mortally with a short-handled ice axe).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Trotsky
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ram%C3%B3n_Mercader

3)   Then the explanations are quite simple   ===> No firearms - Cold for the hikers knocked out - Blunt objects or slaughter axe wrapped in rags (silent blows) for the skulls - Fun trampoline exercises or demonstrations to break the ribs - Small knife to extract the 4 eyeballs and the tongue.


     
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As my DPI studies progress, my explanatory hypothesis becomes more accurate,  for the future continuation go to the starting point launched by Eduard Tumanov :

Theories Discussion / Altercation on the pass / Altercation on the pass

   •    Teddy April 08, 2019, 10:51:59 PM
https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=411.msg4945#msg4945

   My hypothesis N°1 -  Read starting from  Reply #15 ==>  fight between them + testing of a military psychostimulant drug.
   My hypothesis N°2 -  Read starting from  Reply #18 ==>  fight against outsiders = ex-Zeks.
   My hypothesis N°3 -  Read starting from  Reply #44 ==>  fight against outsiders = NKVD officers on the Gulag defying the KGB.


Jean Daniel Reuss

Rational guidance =

• There is nothing supernatural and mysterious about the injuries suffered by the Dyatlov group. They are all consistent with an attack by a group of professional killers who wanted to take the lives of the nine  [Per Inge Oestmoen].

• Now let us search for answers to: WHO ? WHY ? HOW ?

• The scenario must be consistent with the historical, political and psychological  contexts.

• The solution takes in consideration all known findings.
 

April 26, 2021, 06:56:29 PM
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How did the operation occur tactically?  It has all the marks of a tactical operation.  So many layers of nonsense have been packed on the facts, it is hard to see this was a planned operation.
 

May 17, 2021, 02:08:55 PM
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Jean Daniel Reuss



  === Part 1  ===

Now I think that it is only sarapuk who is fully in the right:
Taking into account all the numerous documents currently available (thanks to Teddy's work and also to the countless statements of a multitude of other writers), it is impossible to reach a single irrefutable explanation.

In other words, the DPI is an indeterminate problem, which admits of many solutions or explanatory hypotheses, which are more or less probable or more or less complete.

Note that in the historical sciences this is a frequent case.
 Think for example (as Patrick did on February 11, 2020) of the death of President J.F. Kennedy, on Friday November 22, 1963, in Dallas.  There were many witnesses and even 26 crucial seconds of Zapruder's 8mm colour film. It is obvious that he was assassinated; and yet there is no certainty, neither on the number of shooters, nor on the identity of those responsible...

Above all, remember that solutions that seem improbable cannot be excluded because sometimes it appears that reality has overcome fiction.

Between braketts. It is worrying : sarapuk, who used to write without dicontinuing seems to be stopping as I read:
sarapuk's latest post: April 19, 2021
Last Active: May 10, 2021
I hope that he is not ill !


=== Part 2   ===

In the interview with  Mikhail Sharavin by Mikhail Petrovich of the  "Maria Piskareva group" of the VK social network you can read:
http://samlib.ru/p/piskarewa_m_l/sharavinkontakt.shtml

 "But alas, we can learn the truth either from the state"psychologie "[it is nowadays the Russian State under the leadership of Putin]" or when we find ourselves in the other world without diseases, sorrow and grief... In the meantime, it remains for you to indulge yourself intellectually in a game of investigations".

I would add that the search for the hypotheses that can explain the DPI is an encouragement and a powerful stimulation to get insight into different important subjects in various fields:
Physics, chemistry, geography, technology, history, psychology, geopolitics... etc.

The nine members of Dyatlov's group, who according to WAB were completely non-political (I agree), found themselves at the heart of the dreadful internal struggles between the Stalinists and the Khrushchevians during the Thaw period (1953-1964). (Two notable dates for the Thaw:
June 26, 1953 = arrest of Lavrenti Beria.
October 14, 1964 = "voluntary" dismissal of Nikita Khrushchev).

By the way, you can find some traces of these conflicts on :
https://taina.li/
It is a website mainly dedicated to the DPI where you can notice the comments of:
Vietnamka-mwm.team-gildar-ninja - -


  === Part 3  ===

How did the operation occur tactically?  It has all the marks of a tactical operation.  So many layers of nonsense have been packed on the facts, it is hard to see this was a planned operation.

@ Jacques-Emile : I do not quite understand your question since, in its broad outline, the attack took place in a very simple and almost obvious way.

Since it turns out that the tent could be reached in one day by the attackers, who on February 1, followed the very visible deep tracks from North-2.

And that on February 26 almost all traces of the fighting had been erased on the slope of Kholat Syakhl.

The 3 attackers benefited from the effect of total surprise and conformed to a superior and brutal tactic that is characteristic of Stalinist guards of the Gulag camps(since 1929) specialized in the pursuit of escaped prisoners.
  (There are several possible variants for the exit from the tent.
1:trickery,ruse,cunning - 2:suffocating gas - 3:blunt object shots through the canvas of the tent - 4:threat with firearms ---).

My up-to-date favorite hypothesis is clearly directly influenced by :

*** 1) Per Inge Oestmoen (211 posts), see :
https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=325

*** 2) Aleks Kandr (In Russian : thanks to the free automatic translators on the internet and especially : https://www.deepl.com/translator )

http://mystery12home.ru/t-ub-gr-dyatlova        (The secret of Dyatlov's group murder : Investigations))
https://taina.li/forum/index.php?topic=112.0    ( Criminal versions of the death of Dyatlov's group )
https://taina.li/forum/index.php?topic=1002.0   ( Aleks Kandr's investigation of "The Dyatlov group murder mystery" )
https://taina.li/forum/index.php?topic=14852.0" (Eduard Tumanov on the cause of Ludmila Dubinina's missing tongue and eyes)

*** 3) Eduard Tumanov (who is not member of this forum). See :
https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?board=53.0
https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=411.0
https://www.kp.ru/pereval-dyatlova/versii-gibeli-turistov/smertelnaya-draka/
https://www.uralweb.ru/news/society/520894-tolko-odin-chelovek-pytalsya-chto-to-skryt-vyshel-efir-na-samom-dele-o-perevale-dyatlova.html
  etc...

*** 4) And also by many other members on this forum who seem to suspect more or less the intervention of fierce and ruthless attackers :
armyeng, Nightlurker, hoosiergose, varuna, Liyla79........

The 9 ski hikers of Dyatlov's group were hardly defeated by the 3 slightly sadistic attackers: 10 hours of hand-to-hand combat.
That is why I plan to continue one day in a complete and not abbreviated way in "Altercation on the pass (board=53.0)" and not in "Murdered (board=18.0)".
Jean Daniel Reuss

Rational guidance =

• There is nothing supernatural and mysterious about the injuries suffered by the Dyatlov group. They are all consistent with an attack by a group of professional killers who wanted to take the lives of the nine  [Per Inge Oestmoen].

• Now let us search for answers to: WHO ? WHY ? HOW ?

• The scenario must be consistent with the historical, political and psychological  contexts.

• The solution takes in consideration all known findings.
 

September 05, 2021, 03:06:16 PM
Reply #4
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Jean Daniel Reuss




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 Hakimov's interrogation provides an additional confirmation to the TOK theory
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Indeed for the TOK theory the answer to Hakimov's interrogation is particularly simple and logical :
Pashin and Cheglatov reached the tent on February 25 and were observed by Patrushev and Karpushin.

For an introduction to  TOK , currently (September 2021) under construction, see :

https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=866.msg16593#msg16593    (After the rows "Reply #103 - Quote from: KFinn on March 29.........").

A more detailed explanation requires to return on the events before February 26, 1959.



§-1-   Capture of the attackers before the 6th of February 1959.

The 3 attackers (mercenary murderers) were unsavoury characters who were known to and watched by the police and the KGB.
Shortly after their return from the Kholat Syakhl, the 3 mercenaries (or maybe only one) were arrested and "adequatly" interrogated.

So on 6 February 1959 the KGB did not know everything about the DPI, but the KGB was sure that the 9 hikers were dead (1 tongue and 4 eyes) and knew approximately the location of the tent.  (Note: Sharavin even refers to February 4.)

This constituted a case that could be qualified as of moderate importance but nevertheless serious since nearly all the victims had been through the prestigious UPI.

One of the missions of the KGB is intelligence, control and security of the (soviet) populations. It is not to go to have fun or to do winter sports in the mountains.
There was no question of going out into the snow to check. There was no point in trying to put on a deceptive show. No premature initiatives.

Consequently, in the following days, for the KGB in this case the course of action was clear.
Wait en See
The KGB therefore waits patiently for the foreseeable triggering of the rescue or search operations that will inevitably occur at the initiative of the UPI and the parents.




§-2-   Beginning of the search operations.

The waiting was not very long because about two weeks later in fact, it is the arrival of the first groups of rescuers in Vizhay, which is then quickly transferred to the snowy ground in a search area.

(Simultaneously, air search means are also organized from the Ivdel airfield ).

Thus before the official discovery of the tent by Slobstovv and Sharavin on February 26, 1959.


But, before February 25, the KGB contacted two ordinary citizens (Pashin and Cheglakov) who were known to be efficient at moving quickly in the countryside and incorporates the 2 men into the Slobtsov group.

the Slobtsov group was the only group of students with whom two more local people went in search: the head of the fire department of the same log camp, an experienced hunter Aleksey Cheglakov and a forester of Vizhay Ivan Vasilyevich Pashin.

Slobtsov group = Slobtsov + Sharavin + Pashin + Cheglakov     +   Brusnitsyn,Devyatov,Koptelov,Krotov,Lebedev,Strelnikov,Halizov.

Ivan Pashin    and     Aleksey Cheglakov

 

The KGB instructed Pashin and Cheglakov to discreetly check that (according to the KGB first predictions) the empty tent was indeed on the slope of Kholat Syakhl. And Pashin and Cheglakov succeeded in this minor mission by finding the tent on 25 February, before Slobtsov and Sharavin.

So back at the base camp, on February 25, Pashin and Cheglakov carefully avoid any declaration and remain mute.



   « Slobtsov's group camp site. From left to right: Devyatov-Halizov-Cheglakov. The photo was taken before Feb 26. »


Moreover, on February 26, Slobtsov and Sharavin, are surprised that Pashin, (who in principle should be professionally very enduring), declares himself quickly tired and stops at the pass. Obviously, Pashin, who is not the kind of person who likes to act, does not want to say that he has already seen the tent the day before on the 25th. He has to leave Slobtsov and Sharavin under the illusion that they are the first discoverers of the tent on February 26.


 
§-3-   Observations of the 2 pilots on February 25.

But also, on February 25, at some time interval, the pilots Patrushev and Karpushin also located the tent and examined by successive passes in low altitude, what they perceived (wrongly) to be 2 lifeless bodies.

a)  ••• Gennadiy vasilyevich Patrushev on board of Yakovlev  Yak 12A,  (Empty weight = 1059 kg, powerplant = 250 hp)

   

The first one to fly over the tent is probably Patrushevv because he was relatively the best informed about the route of Dyatlov's group.

Gennadiy Patrushev «knew personally the students, met them in Ivdel, ...and he also first discovered their bodies on the mountainside...»

«...In Ivdel, he [Gennadiy Patrushev] meets a group of Igor Dyatlov. People with same age and romantic in character, they quickly find a common interestes, friendship is fastened..... Arriving home, Gennadiy talks about them with warmth and respect and promises to introduce me [Valentina Gamatina] to everyone, especially with Zina [Kolmogorova], with whom, according to Gennadiy, we are similar in appearance and in character...»

Interview of Valeriya Nikolaevna Gamatina widow of the pilot Patrushev :

«... He [Gennadiy Patrushev] was well acquainted with Igor [Dyatlov], quickly converged, the benefits of age were almost the same and Igor purposefully asked him about these mountains. Otorten....»
«... And then he [Gennadiy Patrushev] arrives and says to me: "Listen, I met a group of students, Zina Kolmogorova - she is a spitting image of you, talking and laughing and appearance...»

«...When we were raised on alert and flew, I [Patrushev] remembered them discussing going there, and I flew in exactly the direction they must have gone. I saw the tent with slits and two bodies. The bodies lay with their heads to the tent...»
 
b)  •••  Georgiy Aleksandrovich Karpushin on board of Antonov An-2, (Empty weight = 3,300 kg, powerplant = 1010 hp)

   

«...February 25, the weather was just wonderful. Mountains against the background of a clear, clear sky created a calm, gracious mood. From Ivdel airport almost simultaneously in the air soared 7 aircraft...

...we saw very clearly the tent stuck to the eastern slope of the mountain ...

... I remember we made a lot of runs over the tent. It was clearly visible that it was cut from the north. Straight by the tent, a corpse of a woman lay judging by her long hair. A little further away lay another body....»





§-4-    Hakimov's interrogation is wholly and brilliantly explained by the TOK theory.

1°) •  For Pashin and Cheglakov the second day of the search is February 25, which means that they found the tent one day before Slobtsov and Sharavin

On February 22, « a group of students led by Boris Slobtsov..arrive in Vizhay ».
On February 23, « the Slobtsov group is flown to Otorten,  6 of us were dropped off from a helicopter... ».
On February 24, that is  on the first day of the search, « once descended into the Auspiya we [Slobtsov group] found ski tracks from the hikers. Here we pitched a tent, spend the night.... »
On February 25, that is [the second day] « we [Slobtsov group] were divided into 3 groups and went to look for the hikers,
as a result of the search we [Pashin and Cheglakov] found a tent
» [quickly and easily] with belongings [/i] »[because the KGB had indicated us the right place] that was not clearly seen since it was covered with snow, we did not go into the tent »[in accordance with the KGB instructions]
The other menbers of the Slobtsov group « going up and down Auspiya valley --->  On the left bank of the river were barely noticeable snow-covered ski tracks. »
On February 26, Slobtsov and Sharavin officially discovered the tent.

2°) •  Patrushev and shortly afterwards Karpushin saw two motionless bodies lying near the tent and they falsely concluded that they were lifeless bodies (by a mental process similar to pareidolia).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia

But these were not two corpses that were examined low in the air by Patrushev and Karpushin. On the contrary, they were two men aged 51 and 35 years old, very much alive.

They were merely Pashin and Cheglakov who had several reasons to lie down in the snow and look placidly at the sky. (February 25, the weather was just wonderful....)
  1 - They are a little physically tired by their fast ascent to the tent.
  2 - They wanted to rest for a bit so that they could return to the rescuers' base camp discreetly and quickly.
  3 - They are worried or concerned about their unwilling involvement in the weird trick that the KGB was making them play.  Which may bring them more trouble than benefits...
  4 - They are interested by the evolutions of the planes which revolve above the tent.
It is not every day that we can attend an impressive free aerial show in the region of Kholat Syakhl !!

3°) •   ...a woman lay judging by her long hair...

Simply a funny visual misinterpretation: the weather was just wonderful and Pashin did not fasten the ear covers of his Chapka that spreadon each side of his head.

Typical occurrence of the pareidolia phenomenon.
Pareidolia is an expression of the brain's tendency to create meaning by assimilating random shapes into referenced shapes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia

(All the more likely that during these difficult and dangerous low-level flights, the pilots were mainly occupied with not crashing their aircraft.)



4°) •  The forgotten flashlight
Tempalov « « does not mention the flashlight in the protocol on the discovery of the campsite, although he was obliged. Maybe because Cheglakov and Pashin confessed to him that it was their flashlight ? Maybe   this explains the fact that Tempalov does not show much interest in inspecting the tent, knowing that since the tragedy many  [Pashin and Cheglakov] have already visited and examined it... » [on February 25].

5°) • Obviously Pashin and Cheglakov didn't tell anybody about this essential finding neither on February 24 25, returning to the base camp, nor...[/i]
Pashin and Cheglakov claims that they found the tent on the second day of the search, that is, on February 24  February 25
and they both say nothing to nobody. [ yes : in accordance with the KGB guidelines. ]

 Maybe someone   [Surely the KGB] gave instructions to Pashin and Cheglakov ahead of time not to tell anyone about the tent, and the investigator [certainely]  knows this ?

As a partial result we may conclude that the TOK theory is, in fact, a  modern conspiracy theory or modern hypothesis that is able to fully and completely reconstruct the DPI.


6°) • 50 years afterwards, it is not surprising that Slobtsov and Sharavin have a little forgotten and are confused about who is who.



Members of the search party Boris E. Slobtsov (left) and Michael Petrovich Sharavin in 2009.

«...didn't know the terrain, as a guide was very inadequate, pretended to be sick on the pass, behaved strangely, didn't have a map...»

 "Sharavin is confusing Pashin’s occupation to be firefighter when he is a forester - ed. note"
Jean Daniel Reuss

Rational guidance =

• There is nothing supernatural and mysterious about the injuries suffered by the Dyatlov group. They are all consistent with an attack by a group of professional killers who wanted to take the lives of the nine  [Per Inge Oestmoen].

• Now let us search for answers to: WHO ? WHY ? HOW ?

• The scenario must be consistent with the historical, political and psychological  contexts.

• The solution takes in consideration all known findings.