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January 31, 2024, 02:52:43 AM
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Anna demonstrates generosity and committment by offering her book.
I really wanted to translate my book into English so that it would be available for everyone to read. Unfortunately, I am not able to pay the price that was asked of me for the transfer. I'm sure this is the book. anyone who really wants to get acquainted with the book will find an opportunity to purchase and translate it. The book was acquired by the Universities of Munich, Berlin and Helsinki.
I am grateful for an adequate comment. Any version has the right to exist until the truth is revealed.
 
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February 02, 2024, 01:19:28 AM
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What is the secret of Dyatlov Pass?
The whole point of the mystery of Dyatlov Pass is that modern researchers are mostly educated and logically minded people. We cannot explain the actions and reasoning of illiterate party apparatchiks, who are far from logic and common sense. Do not forget that at the end of the 50s of the last century, the same supporters of the Stalinist system of government, the former illiterate peasants, were in power. They were faced with the task of retaining power at any cost.
Advanced, free-thinking and rebellious students posed a danger to them. The state relied on a system of surveillance and informers. But after the 20th Congress of the CPSU, with the exposure of the cult of personality and excesses, the policy of mass repression was abolished. Rather, it was driven under the rug, and instead of direct executions and official trials, the objectionable were hidden in psychiatric hospitals, or they received an injection with an umbrella, or died in a fight, from a fleeting unexpected illness, went missing or froze on a hike.
Because of false denunciations, it was sometimes necessary to eliminate the innocent, but the wood is being cut down, chips are flying, it was considered better to pre-empt the situation than to make a mistake, for which the responsible special services were severely punished. Criminal mistakes were corrected by secrecy, obfuscation, forgery and intimidation of the population. This was the case, for example, with the Novocherkassk shooting of rebellious workers who were dissatisfied with the increase in food prices and at the same time the reduction in labor prices.
The public, despite thousands of witnesses to the event, learned about this tragedy only in the 90s during perestroika and glasnost, the same happened with the events in Timertau, Shymkent and other rebellious cities. Dyatlov Pass can be placed in the same row. The best of the best students were eliminated during the 21st congress of the CPSU on a campaign so that they could not escape to the west (as stated in the denunciations from the words of YU), exposing the socialist system to world shame.
The group was liquidated on a false denunciation, the head of the regional committee (according to the characteristics of those who knew him – bonecrusher, bulldozer type) fulfilled the resolution of the Central Committee "On combating the attacks of anti-Soviet elements" - literally, radically and for his loyalty and courage - was promoted, moved to the Kremlin.

 

February 02, 2024, 03:35:44 AM
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With respect,,Russia did in 90 years what it took America 200 years to accomplish. This is not achieved by eliminating your best and brightest.
We don't have to say everything that comes into our head.
 
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February 02, 2024, 04:17:33 AM
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With respect,,Russia did in 90 years what it took America 200 years to accomplish. This is not achieved by eliminating your best and brightest.
Imagine what Russia would have been like if the best of the best had not been destroyed in the Stalin-Khrushchev era... and the best brains wouldn't have gone west.
 

February 02, 2024, 04:31:03 PM
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Yes, if the two countries cooperated on the peaceful use of nuclear energy and sustain the cooperative exploration of space, much will be gained.
We don't have to say everything that comes into our head.
 

February 02, 2024, 10:50:14 PM
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Yes, if the two countries cooperated on the peaceful use of nuclear energy and sustain the cooperative exploration of space, much will be gained.
I disagree with you. Because I think that first of all we need to turn our eyes to the earth, where there is a lot of hungry and homeless people, where there is a lot of injustice, disorder, various diseases and crimes..
 

February 09, 2024, 08:40:09 AM
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A letter with a false denunciation of Dyatlov and his friends was attached to the criminal case??!

In the criminal case, paragraph 1, the prosecutor from Moscow notifies by the attached letter about the return of the case after verification. The letter is accompanied by the case itself in one volume, an album (with photos?) and a copy of Comrade Slobodin's letter. I explain: V.E. Slobodin, an official, chairman of the UPI trade union committee, namesake of Rustem, who (according to Yuri Yudin, scribbles denunciations of Dyatlov's group).

The letter of the namesake Rustem Slobodin is on a par with the criminal case itself and the photos.

Perhaps this letter was a copy of the denunciation that ruined the group. The phrase about a copy of Comrade Slobodin's letter is boldly crossed out. Who removed the letter and photos from the criminal case? Who crossed out the phrase? It is clear that this is someone who is not interested in solving the crime.

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March 18, 2024, 04:17:47 AM
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                                        an important document of 1959. SHELEPIN'S ORDER

 This forum has collected a large number of invaluable documents related to this topic. But I did not find one very important document that appeared on the Internet relatively recently. A photocopy of the document that Ildar told about on the YouTube channel was attached to Ildar Garifullin's email. The document was named the ORDER of SHELEPIN. Shelepin was the head of the KGB in 1959. The document was declared a fake. But I don't agree with that. The main reason for my disagreement is THAT THE ORDER WAS EXECUTED.
The text of February 6, 1959 refers to the classification of information on the death of Dyatlov's group. About the harsh pressure on all those who disagree with the official version. The names of the officials who held responsible positions in 1959 are indicated. Quote from THE ORDER: "to open a criminal case on the death of a group of civilians, conduct a thorough investigation and close the case as soon as possible due to the lack of corpus delicti..." The document has not been subjected to an expert assessment for authenticity. But the strangest thing is that the Dyatlov Group Memory Foundation and journalists were not interested in it. My detailed, line-by-line analysis of the document is available on the YouTube channel in 20 videos.


 

March 18, 2024, 06:20:58 AM
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Anna, this looks like a very interesting document, especially that it is dated Feb. 6, 1959, matching the other 2 or 3 documents that seem to indicate the hikers' deaths were known by authorities that early. But when I go to your video channel for more information, English captions are not available. Is it possible you could translate this one page into English for us and post it here?
 
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March 18, 2024, 06:58:48 AM
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OK, although it's not easy. I will try to translate it in parts
 
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March 18, 2024, 07:08:35 AM
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A SPECIAL FOLDER. IT'S TOP SECRET.
Inside the stamp: To be returned. 0680 February 6, 1959, 6th SECTOR of the Central Committee of the CPSU. Next to it, to the right of the stamp: Copying is prohibited. Sector "N", copy No. 1.
Coat of arms of the USSR. Just below: The USSR State Security Committee under the Council of Ministers of the USSR. February 6, 1959. Moscow. On II-59 dated 02/6/1959.

To the Deputy Chairman of the KGB at the Council of Ministers of the USSR, Colonel-General Belchenko SS
 

March 18, 2024, 07:22:07 AM
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In connection with the situation that caused the death of civilians, namely unauthorized ski tourists: I. A. Dyatlov, Z. A. Kolmogorova, R.V. Slobodin, Yu. N. Doroshenko, G. A. Krivonishchenko, N. V. Thibault-Brignol, L. A. Dubinina, A. S. Kolevatov, S. A. Zolotarev, I order urgently all information should be classified, all available and those materials that will be collected in the case of the death of tourists by the investigative authorities, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Prosecutor's Office, personal belongings that can be information carriers should be immediately seized and transferred to the NGO of the Department of Internal Affairs.
To appoint the head of the KGB for the Sverdlovsk region, Colonel of the KGB Ilyichev A.V., responsible for maintaining special secrecy, with all the ensuing details, to appoint the head of the KGB for the Ural Region, Colonel Fedorov M. A.
 

March 18, 2024, 07:37:06 AM
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The bodies of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Prosecutor's Office under control should initiate a criminal case on the death of civilians, conduct a thorough investigation and close the case as soon as possible due to the lack of corpus delicti and the non-violent nature of the death of civilians. The investigation should organize search operations involving civilians with mandatory instruction regarding the official version of the tragedy. The discovered bodies are to be processed, examined and immediately buried.

To carry out a measure of influence with the relatives of the victims – persuasion, in extreme cases coercion. Do not exclude a special case of disagreement, act accordingly. Destroy information about S. A. Zolotarev. The spread of rumors and versions other than the official one should be severely suppressed, and any attempts at unauthorized investigation should be severely suppressed. In case of any special kind of obstacles, immediately report personally to the Chairman of the KGB. In case of a similar situation, react according to the instructions.
Chairman of the KGB at the Council of Ministers of the USSR A. N. Shelepin. Signature.
 

March 18, 2024, 07:45:04 AM
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link to my videos on the analysis of the document Shelepin's Order on the YouTube channel for those who speak Russian


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March 18, 2024, 08:00:16 AM
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March 18, 2024, 08:46:39 AM
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I want to draw attention to the fact that Shelepin's order specifies the date of February 6th. A criminal case was also opened on February 6. Apparently, they were in such a hurry to carry out the order that they attached Popov's interrogation about the weather on February 6, 59 to the case. The names of the tourists are listed in the order in which they will be discovered in late February and early May: first, five with less damage, then four in the stream. That is, we can say that Shelepin's order was carried out verbatim.
 

March 18, 2024, 10:33:56 AM
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A motive is established. But with how much credibility? Fleeing westward would require a chain of contacts through a desolate area. Couldn't the KGB, with its extensive powers, simply arrest the members and eliminate them without causing too much fuss?
 

March 18, 2024, 11:02:21 AM
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There was no escape to the west and was not supposed to be. It was a false denunciation from informers from the UPI. The KGB did not have a task to search for chains of contacts. The KGB sent down instructions from the CPSU to liquidate the group in order to avoid escape during the 21st Congress of the CPSU.
 
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March 18, 2024, 02:32:21 PM
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This is fascinating, Anna.
Do you have any clue why this sentence is there? "Destroy information about S. A. Zolotarev."
 

March 18, 2024, 03:41:56 PM
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This is fascinating, Anna.
Do you have any clue why this sentence is there? "Destroy information about S. A. Zolotarev."
My thoughts on Zolotarev are very different from other versions in which Zolotarev is credited with some special role. I believe that Zolotarev went hiking in order to increase his tourist rank by hiking 3 categories of difficulty and have a promotion in a tourist career. As he himself said about it. He got into the group on the last day by accident. It turned out that the liquidators, following the order, did not know the exact composition of the group and eliminated everyone.
The murder of Zolotarev: a party member, a front-line soldier who went through the entire war in peacetime, by his compatriots - it was a mistake in completing the task and a terrible shame for the CPSU. Therefore, all information about Zolotarev is intentionally confusing and strictly classified. The authorities paid Zolotarev's mother compensation in the amount of 1,000 rubles plus a funeral at the expense of the state. No other monetary payments were made to any of the relatives.
 
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March 19, 2024, 06:33:02 AM
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The murder of Zolotarev: a party member, a front-line soldier who went through the entire war in peacetime, by his compatriots - it was a mistake in completing the task and a terrible shame for the CPSU[/b]. Therefore, all information about Zolotarev is intentionally confusing and strictly classified. The authorities paid Zolotarev's mother compensation in the amount of 1,000 rubles plus a funeral at the expense of the state. No other monetary payments were made to any of the relatives.

I don't know if it makes sense to specifically single out Zolotaryev's information for destruction because he was a war hero and had been mistakenly killed by this order. His body will eventually be found anyway, his identity will be revealed, and his war hero records still exist, is that right? So there must be some other information that they want destroyed.
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March 19, 2024, 10:38:35 AM
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His body will eventually be found anyway, his identity will be revealed, and his war hero records still exist, is that right? So there must be some other information that they want destroyed.
The body was extremely disfigured, it has not yet been identified as Zolotarev's body, his identity has not been precisely determined. Zolotarev is buried or someone else. And it will never be determined. This confusion with the body and even with the documents on Zolotarev is intentional. The authorities decided to cover up their crime with this confusion and concealment (in my personal opinion). Even Zolotarev's death certificate is available with a different date. Quote: he died in December 1958 on a camping trip.
Photo: Zolotarev's death nformation from the military enlistment office. http://www.dyatlovpassmystery.3nx.ru/viewtopic.php?p=7041

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March 19, 2024, 03:21:32 PM
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                                        an important document of 1959. SHELEPIN'S ORDER
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I rarely get to visit this forum, but here I got another example at the level of hardened marasmus, which is fed by my compatriots to the respected readers of this forum.....
That this "order" is an absolute fake is clear for at least 2 reasons. Probably, one can find several more examples of deception, but we can limit ourselves to these two for now:

1. The form itself, on which this is drawn by someone very obviously ignorant.
The actual appearance of such a form looks like this:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bU-uowwHSCy_kX7-u0O1lv-IVqRZCp5r/view?usp=sharing

Compare this, and it is immediately clear that this was a deliberately made-up fake.
This kind of letterhead is for letters to other organizations, but in no way for "orders" within the same organization.
2. People who made this fake do not have even an elementary idea of how office work was conducted in any organizations in the USSR at that level and of that period.
The chief (head) of such an organization does not need to write an "order" to his deputy on such (or any other) form. It was done on ordinary paper. There was no point in making everything so "solemn".
If you think about the content, it becomes ridiculous. There is a lot of pathos and almost no meaning. One need only ask oneself: what was all this done for? Only everything that should have been done by any of the organizations named there is listed. For example, the prosecutor's office of the Sverdlovsk region. And what is this "observance of special secrecy" if almost the entire Sverdlovsk region is talking about it. It turns out that this "order" was written by complete idiots for other idiots.
Fools were never hired by any special service.
 
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March 19, 2024, 11:58:08 PM
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rarely get to visit this forum, but here I got another example at the level of hardened marasmus, which is fed by my compatriots to the respected readers of this forum.....
I ask you to ask my forgiveness for such a statement. This is a respected forum and such statements are unacceptable here. I ask the moderator to pay attention to this.
 

March 20, 2024, 12:07:27 AM
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I answer:
1.   About the form. It is necessary to give an example of a document on such a form, and not an empty form. For example, I analyzed this "SHELEPIN'S ORDER" in 20 videos and gave an example of several similar documents of that time with a similar design. There is even a note by Shelepin to Khrushchev (March 1959), handwritten on plain paper, and it was accepted, reviewed and recognized as authentic, since there is a protocol.
2.   About what the whole of Sverdlovsk was saying. I agree. He talked about the rocket launch disaster. For the disinformation loudly launched by the KGB about the rocket worked in 1959, and it still works now.
3.   VAB, how can a document be declared a fake if it has not passed an expert assessment and we know that the order was executed verbatim. There are some rough edges in the "ORDER", but they only confirm the authenticity of the document.

An example of how KGB Chairman Shelepin wrote some documents by hand on plain paper, and they were taken into account and reviewed. The 1959 evidence is listed below.

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March 20, 2024, 12:16:23 AM
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I ask you not to focus on the number 0680 on the red stamp. This number is listed on all documents that were archived from Malin's safe after he left office in 1965.

APPEAL TO V.A.B.:
You still haven't answered my question about the tragedy in Khibiny. It looks like you have nothing to say.
https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=204.30
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April 23, 2024, 12:31:07 AM
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I would like to discuss an article in the KP newspaper for 2012, in which it is written that during the delivery of tourists to the morgue of the Ivdel hospital, Yuri Yudin was also in the Ivdel and watched the corpses through the hospital window. For some reason, this message in the article went unnoticed and was not discussed anywhere.
Quote from the article:
"I was young then, I worked as a nurse," recalls Zoya Nikitichna Savina. - I saw them at the bus stop. Everyone is so funny. They laughed loudly. And then they were brought to the morgue, I looked through the window. The girl was lying there and the guys, I don't remember how long. The girl had socks on her feet. And their friend, the guy who didn't go with them, stood under the windows of the morgue and cried … In the same hospital, Maria Ivanovna Salter worked as a surgical assistant in the morgue..."
It turns out that Yudin knew about the death of tourists, saw their bodies even before the official search. Why Yudin returned from a hike and stayed in the city of Ivdel is a separate conversation.
Perhaps he was waiting for the guys to return, and for this trip to be taken into account by the tourist club. Or maybe he was doing the work of the special services.
https://www.kp.ru/daily/25946.5/2890373/
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