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General Discussion / Re: The exhumation is not Semyon Zolotarev
« Last post by Teddy on May 08, 2024, 02:53:09 AM »
There was also a piece of rib taken for histological analysis. Lets look at the exhumation photos for a missing part of a rib.
How can you tell what is broken and what is clipped for histological analysis? And this is just half (one side) of Zolotaryov's ribs.
Just ignore the arrows pointing at cracks, I am using a ready image. But there are plenty of defects on the ribs that could be the places where a sample was taken.
I asked a coroner. Pieces for further examination are clipped from the edge of the rib (one cut), not the middle (two cuts). How do you know that a piece was not taken from the end of a rib?

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General Discussion / Re: The exhumation is not Semyon Zolotarev
« Last post by Teddy on May 08, 2024, 02:10:25 AM »
As you say "Part of the sternum with surrounding soft tissues"
https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-358-361#360

Sternum is breastbone.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sternum



Here is Zolotaryov's breastbone, the detail is from his exhumation photos.
I can see a piece missing, exactly as described in the Histological analyses report.
Why would a random corpse be missing part of the sternum if this is not Zolotaryov?


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General Discussion / Re: The radioactive trace on the Dyatlov Pass
« Last post by Axelrod on May 08, 2024, 01:50:41 AM »
It is possible that it was not the clothes that glowed, but the compass or clock hands
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General Discussion / The exhumation is not Semyon Zolotarev
« Last post by Олег Таймень on May 08, 2024, 01:41:04 AM »
In the criminal case there is a clear phrase that Semyon Zolotarev was taken for examination “Part of the sternum with surrounding soft tissues” Part of the rib with surrounding soft tissues...” (case file 360). During exhumation, we did not see the absence of part of the rib. Ganz’s conclusions were included in the case in the originals, so they cannot raise any doubts. They unearthed the wrong person from whom they took samples for examination.
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General Discussion / Re: Where the Ravine 4 lay
« Last post by Олег Таймень on May 08, 2024, 01:28:28 AM »
Everyone and Teddy:

sending an image of where the 4 hikers laid, (found)...



Thanks
Kathleen Dee Smith

This is not the correct image. The cedar is depicted in the wrong place. The four bodies should be located closer to the tent than the cedar.
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General Discussion / Re: Where the Ravine 4 lay
« Last post by MDGross on May 07, 2024, 01:28:51 PM »
Very astute GlennM. That possibility had never occurred to me. Along the same lines, perhaps they knew their deaths were imminent. So Lyuda is praying. The three men lie close together because the simple act of touching someone at the end would be so comforting. It's difficult to believe that a running stream and shifting snow would arrange the bodies in such a precise way.
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General Discussion / Re: The radioactive trace on the Dyatlov Pass
« Last post by Ziljoe on May 07, 2024, 06:41:59 AM »
This is how rumours start , It's from :

Interview with Stanislav Evgenievich Bogomolov, author of the article "Mystery of the fireballs", published in the "Uralskiy Rabochiy" (en. Ural Worker) in 1990 on July 8

Lev Ivanov in your article says that he brought Geiger counter to the pass. In personal communication with you, did Lev Ivanov tell you who told him, indicated or otherwise hinted to bring a Geiger counter to the pass and measure the level of radiation? Quote from your article:
"I did not work out the version about the light balls. I only managed to conduct a radiation examination. Even had to carry on location a device in a large wooden box.
- Geiger counter?
- Yes, it looks like it. It was clicking a lot... I am sure there was radiation. But nobody told me how much, and I didn't found out."

Answer
"No, he did not say anything about why he decided to check their clothes for radiation. He changed the topic. Much later, almost this year, I learned from a lawyer, that another lawyer told him that Ivanov ordered this examination because he noticed how the hikers' clothes which lay on his floor in his office were glowing."
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General Discussion / Re: The radioactive trace on the Dyatlov Pass
« Last post by Teddy on May 07, 2024, 05:16:40 AM »
I think many fables have been made. Even the story of the clothes glowing which lead to the said tests didn't make sense.

This is funny borderline insane.
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General Discussion / Re: The radioactive trace on the Dyatlov Pass
« Last post by Ziljoe on May 07, 2024, 04:48:05 AM »
Excellent teddy, say thanks to Askinadzi.

I think many fables have been made. Even the story of the clothes glowing which lead to the said tests didn't make sense. 
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General Discussion / Re: Where the Ravine 4 lay
« Last post by Ziljoe on May 07, 2024, 04:28:58 AM »
Are these the image's that you refer to Glennm

https://dyatlovpass.com/vasilii-zyadik.


It does look like they were perhaps sheltering and lying next to each other for heat.

It is odd that their heads all seem to be in line with the flow of the stream, I don't know if the water would have been frozen at the time , if the water was running I can't see the reason to lay their heads in that direction .

If they lay down to shelter , I don't think it's the best way to prevent heat loss without some spruce or trees underneath.

I can only think that they were perhaps making or extending a natural snow cave formed by the stream earlier in the season. They maybe took away too much snow at the bottom of nature's naturally formed arch and there was an instant collapse of the snow bridge above. For me, this is the simplest explanation for the injuries of the ravine 4. I know not everyone agrees with that but we have a significant amount of snow above the ravine 4 ( over 3 meters) . I would say that's enough to break ribs etc.

It's impossible to know which came first, was the snow level at ravine at ground level when the hikers arrived or was it already covered and filled in?.

Possible thoughts are,  they fell through a snow bridge and couldn't get out , whilst the other 5 hikers tried to think of a way to get them out, or  that it was Lyuda Dubinina that fell through first , if there had been a snow bridge formed, then she is found potential over the weakest part of a snow bridge which is the mini waterfall that would have created a bigger space under the snow. If this was the case, then the other 3 may have being trying to rescue her crawling in from the upper part of the stream and then there was a collapse?.

It all depends on the snow level. If it was out siders, I can't see them digging through 3 meters of snow to lay 4 bodies there . If the ravine was relatively empty , how would outsiders know it would fill up to over 3 meters of snow?. Why not put all 9 bodies in the same hole?

It's difficult to fathom any method in outsiders thought process of what they would leave behind for others to find.
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