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Chum pretty much disproves strong winds

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Manti:
The search party found a "chum" not far from the site of the incident, on the edge of the forest:

In my opinion this structure would have collapsed in katabatic winds or a hurricane, or anything strong enough to tear the tent, snap its ropes, or topple people or trees. It's at the edge of the forest so similarly exposed as the tent on the ridge.

Therefore:
* Something (someone) else tore the tent's fabric
* If a tree fell, it wasn't due to the wind. Of course trees can fall for many other reasons for example simply dying and drying out
* I can see weaker winds blowing money or coats around but other things like the knife sheath, shoes, flashlight were probably dropped where they were found
* The wind in itself couldn't have been the cause why they left the tent
There is another possibility: the Mansi created a chum after the incident. This not only contradicts their testimony, but looking at the antler, those are probably from last summer as they don't seem fully developed and moose* lose their antlers for the winter. Although I am not sure this is true for all species and also they could have used an older antler.


*: elk? moose? These words seem to refer to a different species in Europe vs America so apologies if I used the wrong word.

KFinn:

--- Quote from: Manti on February 26, 2021, 03:24:43 PM ---The search party found a "chum" not far from the site of the incident, on the edge of the forest:

In my opinion this structure would have collapsed in katabatic winds or a hurricane, or anything strong enough to tear the tent, snap its ropes, or topple people or trees. It's at the edge of the forest so similarly exposed as the tent on the ridge.

Therefore:
* Something (someone) else tore the tent's fabric
* If a tree fell, it wasn't due to the wind. Of course trees can fall for many other reasons for example simply dying and drying out
* I can see weaker winds blowing money or coats around but other things like the knife sheath, shoes, flashlight were probably dropped where they were found
* The wind in itself couldn't have been the cause why they left the tent
There is another possibility: the Mansi created a chum after the incident. This not only contradicts their testimony, but looking at the antler, those are probably from last summer as they don't seem fully developed and moose* lose their antlers for the winter. Although I am not sure this is true for all species and also they could have used an older antler.


*: elk? moose? These words seem to refer to a different species in Europe vs America so apologies if I used the wrong word.

--- End quote ---

I know the chum was somewhere around a mile away, which could change how much of the same weather pattern hit there as opposed to the ridge but it is a good point to consider.  And one I haven't thought of before.

As to elk/moose, I'm an American.  I just saw my first ever elk last year, lol.  I mean, I used to drive through ELK County almost every weekend so I'm not certain how I missed them all of my life.  I honestly have never thought of if there is a difference; I just know that they are both BIG.  Too big for me to want to come up on one in the dark, lol!!! 

sarapuk:

--- Quote from: Manti on February 26, 2021, 03:24:43 PM ---The search party found a "chum" not far from the site of the incident, on the edge of the forest:

In my opinion this structure would have collapsed in katabatic winds or a hurricane, or anything strong enough to tear the tent, snap its ropes, or topple people or trees. It's at the edge of the forest so similarly exposed as the tent on the ridge.

Therefore:
* Something (someone) else tore the tent's fabric
* If a tree fell, it wasn't due to the wind. Of course trees can fall for many other reasons for example simply dying and drying out
* I can see weaker winds blowing money or coats around but other things like the knife sheath, shoes, flashlight were probably dropped where they were found
* The wind in itself couldn't have been the cause why they left the tent
There is another possibility: the Mansi created a chum after the incident. This not only contradicts their testimony, but looking at the antler, those are probably from last summer as they don't seem fully developed and moose* lose their antlers for the winter. Although I am not sure this is true for all species and also they could have used an older antler.


*: elk? moose? These words seem to refer to a different species in Europe vs America so apologies if I used the wrong word.

--- End quote ---

But the Chum was not on the exposed Mountainside. Big difference in location. Meaning a very strong wind on the Mountainside may have only been a weak wind near the Forest.

Manti:
Well I looked into this a bit:

American elk, aka. wapiti:


Does not live in the Urals.

Moose, aka. Eurasian elk:

Does live in the Urals and in  northern latitudes all over the world.
But the mightiest are the caribou:

They only live in Canada and Alaska.



--- Quote from: sarapuk on February 26, 2021, 04:48:22 PM ---But the Chum was not on the exposed Mountainside. Big difference in location. Meaning a very strong wind on the Mountainside may have only been a weak wind near the Forest.

--- End quote ---

Well, it seems to be just above the treeline and if not the trees, nothing else will stop the wind. Also the snow is very shallow, the grass peeks through which also points to the location being windy (snow is swept away and not deposited like in the forest). It's true that it was a mile away but I wouldn't expect major differences in wind speed over a mile.

Manti:
Also, reindeer:

They also live in the Urals but the antlers on the chum are from moose.

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