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R - This is not the entrance to the snow shelter. This is a pit in the snow, dug by searchers. It was used as a "refrigerator" for corpses waiting for the helicopter.
It was there that the photographs of the corpses were taken from above.
The entrance was where Dubinina's body was found.
This is interesting Dona. I wasn't aware there was a snow cave. I thought there was just a den that had no roof with sticks on the ground.
Do you have a link for more information on the snow cave. I feel stupid now.
This is interesting Dona. I wasn't aware there was a snow cave. I thought there was just a den that had no roof with sticks on the ground.
Do you have a link for more information on the snow cave. I feel stupid now.
I dont know how a Snow Cave crept into this Dyatlov Mystery. We have always been under the impression that there was or may have been a Snow Den.
This is interesting Dona. I wasn't aware there was a snow cave. I thought there was just a den that had no roof with sticks on the ground.
Do you have a link for more information on the snow cave. I feel stupid now.
I dont know how a Snow Cave crept into this Dyatlov Mystery. We have always been under the impression that there was or may have been a Snow Den.
This is interesting Dona. I wasn't aware there was a snow cave. I thought there was just a den that had no roof with sticks on the ground.
Do you have a link for more information on the snow cave. I feel stupid now.
I dont know how a Snow Cave crept into this Dyatlov Mystery. We have always been under the impression that there was or may have been a Snow Den.
Why would you think they wouldnt have built a shelter? Its always the first thing you do
Thats the snow cave..
In hypothermia cases there is something called "terminal burrowing behaviour"...
I don't know if that's relevant here but in the final stages, mental changes occur and people act almost unconsciously and try to dig themselves in... I can imagine them crawling out from a collapsed den and perhaps trying to "burrow" where it's warmest which will be near the stream.. still terribly cold but flowing water at 1C+ will be warm compared to probably -30C air...
When you say it was survivable I have to disagree... for example they had nothing to drink. That is not survivable for very long. Yes there was a stream but drinking cold water accelerates heat loss.. in these conditions if you don't have something warm to drink you can't live longer than a few days.
Anything is possible but...... That would mean they made 2 snow caves and they both collapsed.
"...first place found with the flooring of clothes and branches didn't seem be a cave. "
Why not? It is the first thing to do in a survival situation.. They would know that
"...They went in to a space formed by the snow. Maybe dug it out a little, chipping away at the edges."
Possibly, but, they were perpendicular to the stream..
"...They went in to a space formed by the snow. Maybe dug it out a little, chipping away at the edges."
Possibly, but, they were perpendicular to the stream..
I'm not sure if that's a problem.
"...They went in to a space formed by the snow. Maybe dug it out a little, chipping away at the edges."
Possibly, but, they were perpendicular to the stream..
I'm not sure if that's a problem.
Because the snow would have dipped in the middle.. Sounds like a rookie mistake.. Is that plausible?
Yes... and the snow..by
They were under snow because it snowed! LOL It snows room February to May.. And the area is known for high drifts, I heard.. Apparently so as the tent is only under about , 2 feet of snow..
According to autopsy reports, the injuries occurred while they were alive..So, couldn't have been too long..
I dont know.. was the mountain itself under 12 feet of snow in May..
I dont know.. was the mountain itself under 12 feet of snow in May..
Are you having a laugh?
This website is supporting the tree theory.
This website is supporting the tree theory.
The website gives lots of links and ideas. It has a list of theories. From yeti, UFO, balls of light, rockets, murder, chemical attacks etc .
Also on this forum.
Well, a falling tree can also explain the ravine 4's injuries.
The problem is, where did that tree go? Suppose the party doing the coverup airlifted a fallen tree by helicopter?
And according to that theory, only 6 of them were "placed" which I have to admit I don't fully understand yet, as that would involve one of the ravine four but not the other three.. So the tree must have fallen there? But who would set up camp in a stream?
The searchers noted there were no animal tracks in the area.. if the DG's tracks were preserved then a wolverine track would also be preserved, no?
Fail? What??? Why would you say that?
"A properly made snow cave can be 0 °C (32 °F) or warmer inside, even when outside temperatures are −40 °C (−40 °F)."
These people should not have died.. This was survivable..They only had few hours till sunrise.. And with their experience, it should have just been a bad night..
This website is supporting the tree theory.
The searchers noted there were no animal tracks in the area.. if the DG's tracks were preserved then a wolverine track would also be preserved, no?
Yes. something did happen that night.. and their survival would depend on what that was.. Why they ran and why hey didnt go back.. But, ordinarily they could have survived this..
Yes. something did happen that night.. and their survival would depend on what that was.. Why they ran and why hey didnt go back.. But, ordinarily they could have survived this..
But this was not an ordinary situation.
It is true they are much lighter than a human so might not leave prints in harder snow..
I have another objection... wolverines mostly eat carrion... If there was one in the area, wouldn't the corpses have bites? I have read that wolverines have special teeth so they are even able to feed on frozen meat. And also their food is most scarce in winter so they'd be desperate.
From memory WAB had some thoughts on the wolverine theory, mainly negative. If you have a knife why not kill it?
Dilated pupils are also a symptom of hypothermia.
I used to live in an area with wolverines. Didn't see them much because they try to avoid humans, at least in a residential area. But you could see their tracks... What they do is, if they found food in some place, for example a dead bird, they come back daily for a few days hoping there's more. They usually hunt / scavenge at night.
So the lack of prints is hard to explain. Their prints are large and kind of look like dog prints. (but 5 paw pads, not 4)
Also what I've read is that wolverine hide used to be used by hunters for its warmth and durability for making jackets. I assume if it gets hunted the stress reaction kicks in and it sprays... well, maybe they aired the hide for a time before making the jacket..
Dilated pupils are also a symptom of hypothermia.
I used to live in an area with wolverines. Didn't see them much because they try to avoid humans, at least in a residential area. But you could see their tracks... What they do is, if they found food in some place, for example a dead bird, they come back daily for a few days hoping there's more. They usually hunt / scavenge at night.
So the lack of prints is hard to explain. Their prints are large and kind of look like dog prints. (but 5 paw pads, not 4)
Also what I've read is that wolverine hide used to be used by hunters for its warmth and durability for making jackets. I assume if it gets hunted the stress reaction kicks in and it sprays... well, maybe they aired the hide for a time before making the jacket..
I was looking at one of Igor B explainations about the dilated pupils. I need to give it more context as to his thoughts. Ill see if I can find it. There is so much information which I find gives rational explations. They are on his links but I understand people are having trouble translating.
Their was an expedition by a Swedish group that found footprints of a Wolverine at DP so they exist. Again the Wolverine tracks had over 3 weeks to erode or be covered up and if it's hard snow they won't of been very deep. Obviously,it's impossible to tell the snow conditions in 1959 on the mountain but it was hard or firn by reports of the snow on the tent.
The Wolverine doesn't always spray when hunted. Obviously it can be caught in traps, shot or hunted by huskies. It has come close to humans in many examples. One person woke up to a Wolverine licking their face in a tent. Got punched in the face and it took off. They are curious creatures. In the video supplied by Igor some people have them as pets?
They only seem to spray under extreme circumstances. Stuck in a tent with 9 people and no-one knows what wolverines are, I can only imagine the commotion , I'd probably involuntary spray my own smell grin1.
I believe they can be hunted without them using their glands.
Well it's interesting. If it's worse than a skunk and was in side the tent it would be very concentrated. I don't how air borne the partials would be and if it would have been inhaled to the respiratory system making things worse.
There seems to be more information about the skunk and have luckily not had the pleasure of smelly it!
But it is a theory along along with all others. Very compelling and Igor's links have a lot of research. I just wish he would post it up for you guys to see in English.
Its not all about the Wolverine.
Well it's interesting. If it's worse than a skunk and was in side the tent it would be very concentrated. I don't how air borne the partials would be and if it would have been inhaled to the respiratory system making things worse.
There seems to be more information about the skunk and have luckily not had the pleasure of smelly it!
But it is a theory along along with all others. Very compelling and Igor's links have a lot of research. I just wish he would post it up for you guys to see in English.
Its not all about the Wolverine.
Be very glad, lol!! Skunks stink!! We get a lot of wildlife here; bears, skunks, raccoons, feral cats (the cats are the meanest, lol! I am the caretaker for the feral colony and I've seen the mama cat chase a bear out of our yard!) Skunks mostly scavenge in the garbage cans but otherwise aren't too bad. But if another animal scares them and they spray near the house, oh! Its awful!!!
I've finally had a chance to really pour through Igor's links, now that I have a browser that will translate. He's certainly done a LOT of research!!
Well it's interesting. If it's worse than a skunk and was in side the tent it would be very concentrated. I don't how air borne the partials would be and if it would have been inhaled to the respiratory system making things worse.
There seems to be more information about the skunk and have luckily not had the pleasure of smelly it!
But it is a theory along along with all others. Very compelling and Igor's links have a lot of research. I just wish he would post it up for you guys to see in English.
Its not all about the Wolverine.
Be very glad, lol!! Skunks stink!! We get a lot of wildlife here; bears, skunks, raccoons, feral cats (the cats are the meanest, lol! I am the caretaker for the feral colony and I've seen the mama cat chase a bear out of our yard!) Skunks mostly scavenge in the garbage cans but otherwise aren't too bad. But if another animal scares them and they spray near the house, oh! Its awful!!!
I've finally had a chance to really pour through Igor's links, now that I have a browser that will translate. He's certainly done a LOT of research!!
Great stuff Kfinn. I'm sure I read through the links about cats having a go at bears. I've seen my cats chase dogs away. A very odd thing to see.lol
I would love to hear your thoughts on his theory. Lots of new stuff I hadn't come across ,or new to me anyway.
Well it's interesting. If it's worse than a skunk and was in side the tent it would be very concentrated. I don't how air borne the partials would be and if it would have been inhaled to the respiratory system making things worse.
There seems to be more information about the skunk and have luckily not had the pleasure of smelly it!
But it is a theory along along with all others. Very compelling and Igor's links have a lot of research. I just wish he would post it up for you guys to see in English.
Its not all about the Wolverine.
Be very glad, lol!! Skunks stink!! We get a lot of wildlife here; bears, skunks, raccoons, feral cats (the cats are the meanest, lol! I am the caretaker for the feral colony and I've seen the mama cat chase a bear out of our yard!) Skunks mostly scavenge in the garbage cans but otherwise aren't too bad. But if another animal scares them and they spray near the house, oh! Its awful!!!
I've finally had a chance to really pour through Igor's links, now that I have a browser that will translate. He's certainly done a LOT of research!!
Great stuff Kfinn. I'm sure I read through the links about cats having a go at bears. I've seen my cats chase dogs away. A very odd thing to see.lol
I would love to hear your thoughts on his theory. Lots of new stuff I hadn't come across ,or new to me anyway.
This is a situation where I wish we could test the clothing and tent fabric! As there were no animal tracks present, testing the fabrics could help us rule in/out so many things from wolverine spray to rocket fuel remnants to possible chemical particles from ball lightning!
I think for me personally, the most plausible explanation for the ravine injuries is crushing from snow, followed by Teddy's tree falling theory. During the exhumation of Zolotaryov's body, the expert felt that his injuries very well could have been caused by heavy snow impact. Because the rib fractures encompass the higher ribs (which are much more difficult to break as they are better protected,) this indicates a unique event to me. On that, Igor's theory is definitely in the higher side of plausibility to me. I do get hung up on the lack of evidence regarding a wolverine but it isn't out of the realm of possibility. We've seen it mentioned that there was predation on the two Yuri's under the cedar, such as their noses being eaten by fox yet there were no fox tracks under the cedar, so its entirely possible! Again, if the clothes and tent fabric had been tested for various residue, we might have had more conclusive answers but then, this wouldn't be such a mystery, lol. I do know that if a skunk managed to get into my tent and sprayed I'd be out of there, down the hill and a km away as fast as my short legs could take me, lol!
Well it's interesting. If it's worse than a skunk and was in side the tent it would be very concentrated. I don't how air borne the partials would be and if it would have been inhaled to the respiratory system making things worse.
There seems to be more information about the skunk and have luckily not had the pleasure of smelly it!
But it is a theory along along with all others. Very compelling and Igor's links have a lot of research. I just wish he would post it up for you guys to see in English.
Its not all about the Wolverine.
Be very glad, lol!! Skunks stink!! We get a lot of wildlife here; bears, skunks, raccoons, feral cats (the cats are the meanest, lol! I am the caretaker for the feral colony and I've seen the mama cat chase a bear out of our yard!) Skunks mostly scavenge in the garbage cans but otherwise aren't too bad. But if another animal scares them and they spray near the house, oh! Its awful!!!
I've finally had a chance to really pour through Igor's links, now that I have a browser that will translate. He's certainly done a LOT of research!!
Great stuff Kfinn. I'm sure I read through the links about cats having a go at bears. I've seen my cats chase dogs away. A very odd thing to see.lol
I would love to hear your thoughts on his theory. Lots of new stuff I hadn't come across ,or new to me anyway.
This is a situation where I wish we could test the clothing and tent fabric! As there were no animal tracks present, testing the fabrics could help us rule in/out so many things from wolverine spray to rocket fuel remnants to possible chemical particles from ball lightning!
I think for me personally, the most plausible explanation for the ravine injuries is crushing from snow, followed by Teddy's tree falling theory. During the exhumation of Zolotaryov's body, the expert felt that his injuries very well could have been caused by heavy snow impact. Because the rib fractures encompass the higher ribs (which are much more difficult to break as they are better protected,) this indicates a unique event to me. On that, Igor's theory is definitely in the higher side of plausibility to me. I do get hung up on the lack of evidence regarding a wolverine but it isn't out of the realm of possibility. We've seen it mentioned that there was predation on the two Yuri's under the cedar, such as their noses being eaten by fox yet there were no fox tracks under the cedar, so its entirely possible! Again, if the clothes and tent fabric had been tested for various residue, we might have had more conclusive answers but then, this wouldn't be such a mystery, lol. I do know that if a skunk managed to get into my tent and sprayed I'd be out of there, down the hill and a km away as fast as my short legs could take me, lol!
I'm with you on all your points. I'm comfortable with the Wolverine tracks not being there due to its large feet to body weight and three weeks before the searchers turned up. But with modern forensics etc , to have the tent would help a lot.
I dismissed the Wolverine from the start because I was looking at from the size of the animal verses 9 humans.
I've yet to indulge myself with teddy's theory and it's got good support.
I was for the avalanche /outsiders in equal measure. I still have an open mind and have so many books about UFOs and Bigfoot from my younger years. 3 stories of paranormal events that confuse me to this day because of the people that told me, one was a UFO and it's just shocking.
But since you are now the website skunk experience expert , is it really that bad?
Sadly, skunk spray is awful. For example, one night last summer it was pretty hot and humid so we had the windows open. A skunk sprayed out in the yard around midnight, probably 50 feet from the house but we had to close the windows and vent the house for the next couple of hours. When the spray close, it will make your eyes water; if its really close, you can vomit and feel nauseous. It is highly unpleasant!!
That interesting to know , if the Wolverine is worse then it adds some weight to the theory. If I may ask....would it stop you to pick up some clothes / tools if your life depended on it. If it was sprayed directly on your warm jacket that would keep you alive and warm could you tolarate it , or would you have to get rid of the jacket?
Sadly, skunk spray is awful. For example, one night last summer it was pretty hot and humid so we had the windows open. A skunk sprayed out in the yard around midnight, probably 50 feet from the house but we had to close the windows and vent the house for the next couple of hours. When the spray close, it will make your eyes water; if its really close, you can vomit and feel nauseous. It is highly unpleasant!!
That interesting to know , if the Wolverine is worse then it adds some weight to the theory. If I may ask....would it stop you to pick up some clothes / tools if your life depended on it. If it was sprayed directly on your warm jacket that would keep you alive and warm could you tolarate it , or would you have to get rid of the jacket?
That's a hard question. If my jacket were not sprayed, I'd like to believe that I would have enough sense to grab it. If it were sprayed, it would be miserable to wear it, especially if it was a direct spray to the jacket. I would think the Dyatlov group, being comprised of nine people, at least one person would be able to weigh out what the worst scenario was (which would be the cold.) The cold could definitely kill someone whereas the smell of skunk spray, or wolverine in this case, would be a miserable experience but wouldn't outright kill them. I personally think someone in the group would know they needed their valenki and jackets, regardless of the spray. It would be very hard to wear anything sprayed, very hard. But when the alternative is most likely death, I think they'd go with the jackets and shoes.
Now, if the wolverine was stuck inside the tent, that is more of a physical threat than just spray because wolverines are fighters, unlike skunks. Skunks only spray when threatened and are otherwise pretty innocuous. Wolverines are tough little guys who claw and bite. They are mean, lol!! If that prevented them from going in the tent to get their things out, I could understand why they'd go to an area where they could build a fire and wait it out and the only real place to do that was away from the tent. So in this scenario, I'd think both the smell and the physical threat of the wolverine being stuck inside the tent would have to both happen.
I was reading about the if there was a smell on another forum, Russian I think? and they said there was no smell on the tent or clothing. I didn't look at it that seriously because we have them here and there has never been one attack a tent or enter it and spray people. the spray isn't used as defense, they are very tough animals who will make grizzly bears back down and they spray to mark territory or food so other animals don't eat it. if there was one in the tent, they would be badly mauled
I was reading about the if there was a smell on another forum, Russian I think? and they said there was no smell on the tent or clothing. I didn't look at it that seriously because we have them here and there has never been one attack a tent or enter it and spray people. the spray isn't used as defense, they are very tough animals who will make grizzly bears back down and they spray to mark territory or food so other animals don't eat it. if there was one in the tent, they would be badly mauled
Hi tenne.
I am learning as I go. From what I can work out this , Wolverine ( weasal family)
Has 2 different glands. One is for marking it's food or territory. Its territory is short lived as it migrates a lot. Up to 20 miles a day. Its second gland is for spraying a horrid smell, only when it doesn't know what to do. It doesn't go in to tents or fights with dogs or bears with the intention of haveing a fight and spray it's stinky weapon. Its almost always the last thing it does.( As far as I am understand)
The smell after 3 weeks would have gone mostly.
The Tree Theory is what the book 1079 is about. Geologists accidentally felled a tree on them, tent ad all.. So they moved them to remove evidence they did it
Rocket fuel has hallucinogenic properties.... Nitrous oxide, hydrazine.
Well it's interesting. If it's worse than a skunk and was in side the tent it would be very concentrated. I don't how air borne the partials would be and if it would have been inhaled to the respiratory system making things worse.
There seems to be more information about the skunk and have luckily not had the pleasure of smelly it!
But it is a theory along along with all others. Very compelling and Igor's links have a lot of research. I just wish he would post it up for you guys to see in English.
Its not all about the Wolverine.
Be very glad, lol!! Skunks stink!! We get a lot of wildlife here; bears, skunks, raccoons, feral cats (the cats are the meanest, lol! I am the caretaker for the feral colony and I've seen the mama cat chase a bear out of our yard!) Skunks mostly scavenge in the garbage cans but otherwise aren't too bad. But if another animal scares them and they spray near the house, oh! Its awful!!!
I've finally had a chance to really pour through Igor's links, now that I have a browser that will translate. He's certainly done a LOT of research!!
Great stuff Kfinn. I'm sure I read through the links about cats having a go at bears. I've seen my cats chase dogs away. A very odd thing to see.lol
I would love to hear your thoughts on his theory. Lots of new stuff I hadn't come across ,or new to me anyway.
This is a situation where I wish we could test the clothing and tent fabric! As there were no animal tracks present, testing the fabrics could help us rule in/out so many things from wolverine spray to rocket fuel remnants to possible chemical particles from ball lightning!
I think for me personally, the most plausible explanation for the ravine injuries is crushing from snow, followed by Teddy's tree falling theory. During the exhumation of Zolotaryov's body, the expert felt that his injuries very well could have been caused by heavy snow impact. Because the rib fractures encompass the higher ribs (which are much more difficult to break as they are better protected,) this indicates a unique event to me. On that, Igor's theory is definitely in the higher side of plausibility to me. I do get hung up on the lack of evidence regarding a wolverine but it isn't out of the realm of possibility. We've seen it mentioned that there was predation on the two Yuri's under the cedar, such as their noses being eaten by fox yet there were no fox tracks under the cedar, so its entirely possible! Again, if the clothes and tent fabric had been tested for various residue, we might have had more conclusive answers but then, this wouldn't be such a mystery, lol. I do know that if a skunk managed to get into my tent and sprayed I'd be out of there, down the hill and a km away as fast as my short legs could take me, lol!
Well it's interesting. If it's worse than a skunk and was in side the tent it would be very concentrated. I don't how air borne the partials would be and if it would have been inhaled to the respiratory system making things worse.
There seems to be more information about the skunk and have luckily not had the pleasure of smelly it!
But it is a theory along along with all others. Very compelling and Igor's links have a lot of research. I just wish he would post it up for you guys to see in English.
Its not all about the Wolverine.
Be very glad, lol!! Skunks stink!! We get a lot of wildlife here; bears, skunks, raccoons, feral cats (the cats are the meanest, lol! I am the caretaker for the feral colony and I've seen the mama cat chase a bear out of our yard!) Skunks mostly scavenge in the garbage cans but otherwise aren't too bad. But if another animal scares them and they spray near the house, oh! Its awful!!!
I've finally had a chance to really pour through Igor's links, now that I have a browser that will translate. He's certainly done a LOT of research!!
Great stuff Kfinn. I'm sure I read through the links about cats having a go at bears. I've seen my cats chase dogs away. A very odd thing to see.lol
I would love to hear your thoughts on his theory. Lots of new stuff I hadn't come across ,or new to me anyway.
This is a situation where I wish we could test the clothing and tent fabric! As there were no animal tracks present, testing the fabrics could help us rule in/out so many things from wolverine spray to rocket fuel remnants to possible chemical particles from ball lightning!
I think for me personally, the most plausible explanation for the ravine injuries is crushing from snow, followed by Teddy's tree falling theory. During the exhumation of Zolotaryov's body, the expert felt that his injuries very well could have been caused by heavy snow impact. Because the rib fractures encompass the higher ribs (which are much more difficult to break as they are better protected,) this indicates a unique event to me. On that, Igor's theory is definitely in the higher side of plausibility to me. I do get hung up on the lack of evidence regarding a wolverine but it isn't out of the realm of possibility. We've seen it mentioned that there was predation on the two Yuri's under the cedar, such as their noses being eaten by fox yet there were no fox tracks under the cedar, so its entirely possible! Again, if the clothes and tent fabric had been tested for various residue, we might have had more conclusive answers but then, this wouldn't be such a mystery, lol. I do know that if a skunk managed to get into my tent and sprayed I'd be out of there, down the hill and a km away as fast as my short legs could take me, lol!
Well originally the Tent and Clothing was tested and no Trace of Rocket Fuel or Wolverine was found.
Well it's interesting. If it's worse than a skunk and was in side the tent it would be very concentrated. I don't how air borne the partials would be and if it would have been inhaled to the respiratory system making things worse.
There seems to be more information about the skunk and have luckily not had the pleasure of smelly it!
But it is a theory along along with all others. Very compelling and Igor's links have a lot of research. I just wish he would post it up for you guys to see in English.
Its not all about the Wolverine.
Be very glad, lol!! Skunks stink!! We get a lot of wildlife here; bears, skunks, raccoons, feral cats (the cats are the meanest, lol! I am the caretaker for the feral colony and I've seen the mama cat chase a bear out of our yard!) Skunks mostly scavenge in the garbage cans but otherwise aren't too bad. But if another animal scares them and they spray near the house, oh! Its awful!!!
I've finally had a chance to really pour through Igor's links, now that I have a browser that will translate. He's certainly done a LOT of research!!
Great stuff Kfinn. I'm sure I read through the links about cats having a go at bears. I've seen my cats chase dogs away. A very odd thing to see.lol
I would love to hear your thoughts on his theory. Lots of new stuff I hadn't come across ,or new to me anyway.
Well it's interesting. If it's worse than a skunk and was in side the tent it would be very concentrated. I don't how air borne the partials would be and if it would have been inhaled to the respiratory system making things worse.
There seems to be more information about the skunk and have luckily not had the pleasure of smelly it!
But it is a theory along along with all others. Very compelling and Igor's links have a lot of research. I just wish he would post it up for you guys to see in English.
Its not all about the Wolverine.
Be very glad, lol!! Skunks stink!! We get a lot of wildlife here; bears, skunks, raccoons, feral cats (the cats are the meanest, lol! I am the caretaker for the feral colony and I've seen the mama cat chase a bear out of our yard!) Skunks mostly scavenge in the garbage cans but otherwise aren't too bad. But if another animal scares them and they spray near the house, oh! Its awful!!!
I've finally had a chance to really pour through Igor's links, now that I have a browser that will translate. He's certainly done a LOT of research!!
Great stuff Kfinn. I'm sure I read through the links about cats having a go at bears. I've seen my cats chase dogs away. A very odd thing to see.lol
I would love to hear your thoughts on his theory. Lots of new stuff I hadn't come across ,or new to me anyway.
Something else that I absolutely find informative in Igor's theory is his explanation of the weather on the ridge and the times that various events happened. His analysis of the photos of the hike up to the ridge from the storage is fascinating! His analysis of the column foot prints aligns with what I have always believed, with regard to their formation.
Rocket fuel has hallucinogenic properties.... Nitrous oxide, hydrazine.
Yes and Rocket Fuel also leaves a good Trace that would have been spotted by the Searchers and Investigators.
I was reading about the if there was a smell on another forum, Russian I think? and they said there was no smell on the tent or clothing. I didn't look at it that seriously because we have them here and there has never been one attack a tent or enter it and spray people. the spray isn't used as defense, they are very tough animals who will make grizzly bears back down and they spray to mark territory or food so other animals don't eat it. if there was one in the tent, they would be badly mauled
Hi tenne.
I am learning as I go. From what I can work out this , Wolverine ( weasal family)
Has 2 different glands. One is for marking it's food or territory. Its territory is short lived as it migrates a lot. Up to 20 miles a day. Its second gland is for spraying a horrid smell, only when it doesn't know what to do. It doesn't go in to tents or fights with dogs or bears with the intention of haveing a fight and spray it's stinky weapon. Its almost always the last thing it does.( As far as I am understand)
The smell after 3 weeks would have gone mostly.
Wolverine's are very tough animals that can make a bear back down using their claws and teeth. They don't use spray as a defensive weapon. The only way they would spray the people in the tent was if they were dead when it got there and it was marking them as their food so no other animal ate it
Well it's interesting. If it's worse than a skunk and was in side the tent it would be very concentrated. I don't how air borne the partials would be and if it would have been inhaled to the respiratory system making things worse.
There seems to be more information about the skunk and have luckily not had the pleasure of smelly it!
But it is a theory along along with all others. Very compelling and Igor's links have a lot of research. I just wish he would post it up for you guys to see in English.
Its not all about the Wolverine.
Be very glad, lol!! Skunks stink!! We get a lot of wildlife here; bears, skunks, raccoons, feral cats (the cats are the meanest, lol! I am the caretaker for the feral colony and I've seen the mama cat chase a bear out of our yard!) Skunks mostly scavenge in the garbage cans but otherwise aren't too bad. But if another animal scares them and they spray near the house, oh! Its awful!!!
I've finally had a chance to really pour through Igor's links, now that I have a browser that will translate. He's certainly done a LOT of research!!
Great stuff Kfinn. I'm sure I read through the links about cats having a go at bears. I've seen my cats chase dogs away. A very odd thing to see.lol
I would love to hear your thoughts on his theory. Lots of new stuff I hadn't come across ,or new to me anyway.
Something else that I absolutely find informative in Igor's theory is his explanation of the weather on the ridge and the times that various events happened. His analysis of the photos of the hike up to the ridge from the storage is fascinating! His analysis of the column foot prints aligns with what I have always believed, with regard to their formation.
For those who can't access or translate, Igor posted this regarding the time of day that they hiked up to the ridge:
"Returning to the chronology of February 1.
The investigation had to study not the photograph of the excavation under the tent, but two previous photographs - photographs of the ascent.
First: Second: The uniqueness of these photographs is that they were taken with one camera, in one place, in one minute, but in diametrically opposite directions. And these directions are known. The directions are shown schematically and in reality may differ slightly, but insignificantly: In this case, there is no doubt that the first photograph was taken in a southeast direction and was taken against the sun. This is evidenced by the lighter sky and the lower contrast of objects visible from the shadow side (the worse the lighting, the worse the contrast).
(https://i.ibb.co/dQzjsqc/33.jpg) (https://ibb.co/rZ1FKSt)
(https://i.ibb.co/Y84StHr/32.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hHxNK3q)
Of course, one could speculate about any overexposures, etc., if it was not known that the first photograph was taken in the southeast direction, and the second in the northwest.
Add to this the good weather in the morning at the Auspiya camp and the duty of all sane people to go hiking in the morning. It turns out that the Dyatlovites left the camp at 10-11 o'clock in the morning and after a couple of hours, at 12-13 o'clock in the afternoon, they were forced to stop on the slope.
If these photographs were taken at about 5 pm, as the investigation believed, the sun would have already set in the west and the sky in the second photograph taken in the northwest direction would be, on the contrary, lighter than in the first photograph taken in the southeast."
All of the above is found at:
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=d8d5df98359b16c711ab36f894766d90&showtopic=5133&st=300&p=61104&#entry61104
Well it's interesting. If it's worse than a skunk and was in side the tent it would be very concentrated. I don't how air borne the partials would be and if it would have been inhaled to the respiratory system making things worse.
There seems to be more information about the skunk and have luckily not had the pleasure of smelly it!
But it is a theory along along with all others. Very compelling and Igor's links have a lot of research. I just wish he would post it up for you guys to see in English.
Its not all about the Wolverine.
Be very glad, lol!! Skunks stink!! We get a lot of wildlife here; bears, skunks, raccoons, feral cats (the cats are the meanest, lol! I am the caretaker for the feral colony and I've seen the mama cat chase a bear out of our yard!) Skunks mostly scavenge in the garbage cans but otherwise aren't too bad. But if another animal scares them and they spray near the house, oh! Its awful!!!
I've finally had a chance to really pour through Igor's links, now that I have a browser that will translate. He's certainly done a LOT of research!!
Great stuff Kfinn. I'm sure I read through the links about cats having a go at bears. I've seen my cats chase dogs away. A very odd thing to see.lol
I would love to hear your thoughts on his theory. Lots of new stuff I hadn't come across ,or new to me anyway.
This is a situation where I wish we could test the clothing and tent fabric! As there were no animal tracks present, testing the fabrics could help us rule in/out so many things from wolverine spray to rocket fuel remnants to possible chemical particles from ball lightning!
I think for me personally, the most plausible explanation for the ravine injuries is crushing from snow, followed by Teddy's tree falling theory. During the exhumation of Zolotaryov's body, the expert felt that his injuries very well could have been caused by heavy snow impact. Because the rib fractures encompass the higher ribs (which are much more difficult to break as they are better protected,) this indicates a unique event to me. On that, Igor's theory is definitely in the higher side of plausibility to me. I do get hung up on the lack of evidence regarding a wolverine but it isn't out of the realm of possibility. We've seen it mentioned that there was predation on the two Yuri's under the cedar, such as their noses being eaten by fox yet there were no fox tracks under the cedar, so its entirely possible! Again, if the clothes and tent fabric had been tested for various residue, we might have had more conclusive answers but then, this wouldn't be such a mystery, lol. I do know that if a skunk managed to get into my tent and sprayed I'd be out of there, down the hill and a km away as fast as my short legs could take me, lol!
Well originally the Tent and Clothing was tested and no Trace of Rocket Fuel or Wolverine was found.
Well it's interesting. If it's worse than a skunk and was in side the tent it would be very concentrated. I don't how air borne the partials would be and if it would have been inhaled to the respiratory system making things worse.
There seems to be more information about the skunk and have luckily not had the pleasure of smelly it!
But it is a theory along along with all others. Very compelling and Igor's links have a lot of research. I just wish he would post it up for you guys to see in English.
Its not all about the Wolverine.
Be very glad, lol!! Skunks stink!! We get a lot of wildlife here; bears, skunks, raccoons, feral cats (the cats are the meanest, lol! I am the caretaker for the feral colony and I've seen the mama cat chase a bear out of our yard!) Skunks mostly scavenge in the garbage cans but otherwise aren't too bad. But if another animal scares them and they spray near the house, oh! Its awful!!!
I've finally had a chance to really pour through Igor's links, now that I have a browser that will translate. He's certainly done a LOT of research!!
Great stuff Kfinn. I'm sure I read through the links about cats having a go at bears. I've seen my cats chase dogs away. A very odd thing to see.lol
I would love to hear your thoughts on his theory. Lots of new stuff I hadn't come across ,or new to me anyway.
This is a situation where I wish we could test the clothing and tent fabric! As there were no animal tracks present, testing the fabrics could help us rule in/out so many things from wolverine spray to rocket fuel remnants to possible chemical particles from ball lightning!
I think for me personally, the most plausible explanation for the ravine injuries is crushing from snow, followed by Teddy's tree falling theory. During the exhumation of Zolotaryov's body, the expert felt that his injuries very well could have been caused by heavy snow impact. Because the rib fractures encompass the higher ribs (which are much more difficult to break as they are better protected,) this indicates a unique event to me. On that, Igor's theory is definitely in the higher side of plausibility to me. I do get hung up on the lack of evidence regarding a wolverine but it isn't out of the realm of possibility. We've seen it mentioned that there was predation on the two Yuri's under the cedar, such as their noses being eaten by fox yet there were no fox tracks under the cedar, so its entirely possible! Again, if the clothes and tent fabric had been tested for various residue, we might have had more conclusive answers but then, this wouldn't be such a mystery, lol. I do know that if a skunk managed to get into my tent and sprayed I'd be out of there, down the hill and a km away as fast as my short legs could take me, lol!
Well originally the Tent and Clothing was tested and no Trace of Rocket Fuel or Wolverine was found.
I guess it depends what they mean by no trace. They might of dismissed a Wolverine from the start. If they were not aware of the Wolverines chemical spray,so why would they look? They wouldn't be able to formulate the concept of what might have happened.
Here's some more of what Igor found. I take his research to be genuine as he seems to be very thorough. This is regarding clothes returned to the family.
Returning to the orange powder on Doroshenko's sweater and quilted jacket.
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I remember what she said and showed her sweatshirt and sweater, they say, everything is useless. In an orange powder.
What woman (especially in those poor years) would call dirty things "unusable" before washing ? So they can call things only if they tried to wash them, but to no avail. And the yellow-orange secret of a skunk, a wolverine does not dissolve either with water or soap.
PS As it turned out later, it was not about orange powder, but about the fact that things were, as it were, "stained" with something orange:
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Recently, Irina Rashevskaya, sister of Yuri Doroshenko, made a new statement regarding the orange color:
"There was no talk about the powder. It was just that some things were kind of " stained "with orange."http://samlib.ru/p/piskarewa_m_l/makushkin.
Quote from: Ziljoe link=topic=866.msg14736#msg14736
date=1617012941Well it's interesting. If it's worse than a skunk and was in side the tent it would be very concentrated. I don't how air borne the partials would be and if it would have been inhaled to the respiratory system making things worse.
There seems to be more information about the skunk and have luckily not had the pleasure of smelly it!
But it is a theory along along with all others. Very compelling and Igor's links have a lot of research. I just wish he would post it up for you guys to see in English.
Its not all about the Wolverine.
Be very glad, lol!! Skunks stink!! We get a lot of wildlife here; bears, skunks, raccoons, feral cats (the cats are the meanest, lol! I am the caretaker for the feral colony and I've seen the mama cat chase a bear out of our yard!) Skunks mostly scavenge in the garbage cans but otherwise aren't too bad. But if another animal scares them and they spray near the house, oh! Its awful!!!
I've finally had a chance to really pour through Igor's links, now that I have a browser that will translate. He's certainly done a LOT of research!!
Great stuff Kfinn. I'm sure I read through the links about cats having a go at bears. I've seen my cats chase dogs away. A very odd thing to see.lol
I would love to hear your thoughts on his theory. Lots of new stuff I hadn't come across ,or new to me anyway.
This is a situation where I wish we could test the clothing and tent fabric! As there were no animal tracks present, testing the fabrics could help us rule in/out so many things from wolverine spray to rocket fuel remnants to possible chemical particles from ball lightning!
I think for me personally, the most plausible explanation for the ravine injuries is crushing from snow, followed by Teddy's tree falling theory. During the exhumation of Zolotaryov's body, the expert felt that his injuries very well could have been caused by heavy snow impact. Because the rib fractures encompass the higher ribs (which are much more difficult to break as they are better protected,) this indicates a unique event to me. On that, Igor's theory is definitely in the higher side of plausibility to me. I do get hung up on the lack of evidence regarding a wolverine but it isn't out of the realm of possibility. We've seen it mentioned that there was predation on the two Yuri's under the cedar, such as their noses being eaten by fox yet there were no fox tracks under the cedar, so its entirely possible! Again, if the clothes and tent fabric had been tested for various residue, we might have had more conclusive answers but then, this wouldn't be such a mystery, lol. I do know that if a skunk managed to get into my tent and sprayed I'd be out of there, down the hill and a km away as fast as my short legs could take me, lol!
Well originally the Tent and Clothing was tested and no Trace of Rocket Fuel or Wolverine was found.
I guess it depends what they mean by no trace. They might of dismissed a Wolverine from the start. If they were not aware of the Wolverines chemical spray,so why would they look? They wouldn't be able to formulate the concept of what might have happened.
Here's some more of what Igor found. I take his research to be genuine as he seems to be very thorough. This is regarding clothes returned to the family.
Returning to the orange powder on Doroshenko's sweater and quilted jacket.
Quote
I remember what she said and showed her sweatshirt and sweater, they say, everything is useless. In an orange powder.
What woman (especially in those poor years) would call dirty things "unusable" before washing ? So they can call things only if they tried to wash them, but to no avail. And the yellow-orange secret of a skunk, a wolverine does not dissolve either with water or soap.
PS As it turned out later, it was not about orange powder, but about the fact that things were, as it were, "stained" with something orange:
Quote
Recently, Irina Rashevskaya, sister of Yuri Doroshenko, made a new statement regarding the orange color:
"There was no talk about the powder. It was just that some things were kind of " stained "with orange."http://samlib.ru/p/piskarewa_m_l/makushkin.
I did just (moments ago, oddly!!) read an interview from 2012 with Askinadzi who said there were no stained clothes when he helped Yuri Yudin inventory the clothing from the tent. Another list to make; who saw stains and who refutes them so I can compare perspectives!!
Also, please note. Some of Askinadzi's thoughts in the unknown interview oppose his thoughts in this interview:
https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=244.0
(Mainly he differs on the theory of murder/killers.)
Also, please note. Some of Askinadzi's thoughts in the unknown interview oppose his thoughts in this interview:
https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=244.0
(Mainly he differs on the theory of murder/killers.)
Thank you Kfinn.
I understand this and humbly carry the cross that you unexpectedly placed on my frail body.Just a minor thing.
Yep. Damn near to the inch.. And how is it that the Mansi have a cadaver dog.. Really?
Maybe.. if it wasnt under 10_feet of snow..
What if some in the den survived a collapsing ?
I'm thinking about Dyatlov, Kolmogorova, but overall Slobodin who has fractured skull. They could explain why the 4 "den dead" were not on the branches.
(((( They were cold (but not freezing yet), mourning Krivo an Doroshenko (since they had their jumper, pants, ect), talking about itinerary for the next day (the compass and notebook), and then the den collapse.
Some of them are injured, some not. (Dubinina, in addition to her broken chest, could have bitten her tongue cut : she got blood in her stomac, and the river bugs / currant eat the rest )
Slobodin and maybe Dyatlov or / and Kolmogorova take the other out of the collapsed den. Dubinina die first, so her main jacket pass to Tibo. It's not enough, and the 3 better-feeling people freeze slowly watching their friend die / trying to keep them warm. -Dubinina remains are disposed along the 3 others, but the river later move her body.-
After the 4 people die, the remaining 3/2/1 (Slobodin at least), freezing, try to hike back to the tent to find food and heating device and die from hypothermia on their way, it-self caused by cold it-self, exhaustion and/or injuries. ))))
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I did just (moments ago, oddly!!) read an interview from 2012 with Askinadzi who said there were no stained clothes when he helped Yuri Yudin inventory the clothing from the tent. Another list to make; who saw stains and who refutes them so I can compare perspectives!!
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Sort of. It was posted in another group on Facebook, but without a link. The interview was with Maya Piskareva in 2012, but I don't know where it was initially published. There are snippets of it on this site, under the article "Chicken ala Otorten." The text is very lengthy, and the part about the colored clothing is all the way at the end. It was posted as "part 1." I am hoping to get more information on where this originated, so if this looks familiar to anyone, please feel free to fill in the gaps!!!!
"Maria Piskareva by V. Askinadzi: "We are the last of the Mohicans ..."
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Posted on 09/10/2012, revised 02/17/2015
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Vladimir Askinadzi tells ...
Also, please note. Some of Askinadzi's thoughts in the unknown interview oppose his thoughts in this interview:
https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=244.0
(Mainly he differs on the theory of murder/killers.)
(https://preview.ibb.co/czf70z/Dyatlov_pass_Askinadzi_Varsegova.jpg)
Natalya Varsegova and Vladimir Askindazi
Naturally the real presentation of TOKwill be quite lengthy...
General Discussion - Rational or Irrational...What do you think? Why move the bodies; Reply #15
They were experienced mountainers. Anybody going for a trek longer than 5 days has ideas about what could happen, and (partials) solutions. You've heard stories, made your own on "how you would react", found partial/inadequate/adequate/... solutions in advance.
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When alone, anyone can lose cold blood, I agree. But for everybody to panic at the same time , even just the majority of the group, it would take a lot.
One panic : another one calm him down, without even knowing what the panic is about. Then when he know and start to panic as well, the first one is back to cold blood and can handle him.
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Victims > Lyudmila Dubinina > Lyudmila Dubinina's premonition of her tragic death ---> Reply #47
I think you are right about the murder theory being probably the most plausible one. Besides multiple traces indicating presence of someone else in the area of their death (putees, knife sheath, belt strap, spoon..), the hard evidence is clear: Autopsy reports. Almost all of them had injuries on the side or back of their head. Even Igor Dyatlov - this is not stated in the autopsy report, but is visible on one of the photos from the morgue.
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General Discussion > Why move the bodies ---> Reply #16
You have to look at the injuries. These people were attacked, by someone.. For example.. Igor has machining wounds on both sides of his face.. A tree falling would have smashed his face and nose.. yet there is nothing. Then, most all of them had head wounds.. again, some matching.. 3 people with matching U shaped wounds.. This was an attack..
General Discussion - Rational or Irrational...What do you think? Why move the bodies; Reply #15
One girl seems to be confused, even before the deadly events. ............