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The Cedar Then/Now
Beluga1303:
Josh Gates did a drill test on the tree during the expedition.
GlennM:
Plenty of ground level saplings to be used for firewood at the fire pit. No need to scale a tree when so much ismcloser at hand. Too, broken branch looks to have scorch markings. As mentioned, no cut marking but tearing is likely. I discount snow collapse of the branch because there are so many above it to protect it. Why did hikers go so far in forest to shelter? Cedar is across a stream. What a puzzle this is.
amashilu:
I've been reading and watching videos on this for several weeks and only maybe 2 times have I come across the question, why did they build a fire? so thank you to the person who suggested that, because I keep wondering it also. Probably it is not questioned much because it seems obvious you would need a fire to survive. But of course if they were trying to hide from attackers, they wouldn't build a fire. Is it possible the hikers did not build the fire, but the attackers did? Someone has suggested that these hikers were interrogated, at least 3 of them had ankle abrasions that it has been suggested indicates they were tied, 2 military puttees and one sash were found that did not belong to the group, one of the hikers bit off part of his own finger; so does the scenario fit the evidence, that the attackers marched them to the cedar tree, tied them up, built a fire (for themselves), and interrogated them one by one? I am trying to be sure to not make anything up, but only to use what evidence was found and bring it together like a puzzle. What would they be interrogating for? nea1
Jean Daniel Reuss:
--- Quote from: amashilu on June 05, 2022, 07:29:48 AM --- Reply #17
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2 military puttees and one sash were found that did not belong to the group,
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••• issue : why did they build a fire ?
--> answer : probably to avoid being too cold (and perhaps even to avoid freezing to death) since they were at the base of the Cedar while wearing, for the most part, clothes that were not warm enough.
°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°••• issue : Is it possible the hikers did not build the fire, but the attackers did ?
--> answer : Yes, it is possible. Have a look at what EBE wrote:
EBE : Murdered > Army Tactician - Definitely Ambush, potential events; December 16, 2021, 12:05:16 PM --> Reply #21
https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=844.msg16775#msg16775
«.....I think that the fire was not lit/used by students, but by someone else for a different purpose or purposes, and the only connection between the fire and the students are severe burns on Krivonishenko's leg and traces of burns on Doroshenko's head. I would also like to point out that Krivonisenko's burns were not caused by (even prolonged) contact with the stove, because his leg was burned from multiple sides....»
EBE : Murdered > Army Tactician - Definitely Ambush, potential events; January 13, 2022, 02:02:14 PM --> Reply #28
https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=844.msg17016#msg17016
«..... I doubt that it [the fire] was lit for the purpose of attracting the Dyatlov group..........»
°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°••• issue : 3 of them had ankle abrasions that it has been suggested indicates they were tied ?
--> answer : It seems that it was only Dyatlov who had his ankles tied.
This is probably because the attackers wanted to make sure that Dyatlov could not move, as he did not appear to be completely knocked out and unconscious.
°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°••• issue : ...these hikers were interrogated. What would they be interrogating for ?
--> answer : The question asked by the attackers was :
Where are the four hikers who escaped us and who we can not find ?
(the four hikers who escaped us = Zolotaryov, Kolevatov, Tibo, Dubinina, who had hidden in the Den).
Look at what I wrote 2 years ago, which is still valid:
Jean Daniel Reuss : Theories Discussion > Altercation on the pass > Krivonischenko biting his hand
June 11, 2020, 11:53:29 PM --> Reply #4
https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=408.msg9561#msg9561
Recently, on 10 February 2022, on the website :
https://www.kp.ru/daily/27358/4539638/
Dmitry Kireev carried out his own reconstruction of a possible method of torture of krivonishenko by the means of fire.
amashilu:
--- Quote from: Jean Daniel Reuss on June 06, 2022, 02:13:24 PM ---
--- Quote from: amashilu on June 05, 2022, 07:29:48 AM --- Reply #17
...........................
2 military puttees and one sash were found that did not belong to the group,
...........................
--- End quote ---
••• issue : why did they build a fire ?
--> answer : probably to avoid being too cold (and perhaps even to avoid freezing to death) since they were at the base of the Cedar while wearing, for the most part, clothes that were not warm enough.
°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°••• issue : Is it possible the hikers did not build the fire, but the attackers did ?
--> answer : Yes, it is possible. Have a look at what EBE wrote:
EBE : Murdered > Army Tactician - Definitely Ambush, potential events; December 16, 2021, 12:05:16 PM --> Reply #21
https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=844.msg16775#msg16775
«.....I think that the fire was not lit/used by students, but by someone else for a different purpose or purposes, and the only connection between the fire and the students are severe burns on Krivonishenko's leg and traces of burns on Doroshenko's head. I would also like to point out that Krivonisenko's burns were not caused by (even prolonged) contact with the stove, because his leg was burned from multiple sides....»
EBE : Murdered > Army Tactician - Definitely Ambush, potential events; January 13, 2022, 02:02:14 PM --> Reply #28
https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=844.msg17016#msg17016
«..... I doubt that it [the fire] was lit for the purpose of attracting the Dyatlov group..........»
°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°••• issue : 3 of them had ankle abrasions that it has been suggested indicates they were tied ?
--> answer : It seems that it was only Dyatlov who had his ankles tied.
This is probably because the attackers wanted to make sure that Dyatlov could not move, as he did not appear to be completely knocked out and unconscious.
°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°••• issue : ...these hikers were interrogated. What would they be interrogating for ?
--> answer : The question asked by the attackers was :
Where are the four hikers who escaped us and who we can not find ?
(the four hikers who escaped us = Zolotaryov, Kolevatov, Tibo, Dubinina, who had hidden in the Den).
Look at what I wrote 2 years ago, which is still valid:
Jean Daniel Reuss : Theories Discussion > Altercation on the pass > Krivonischenko biting his hand
June 11, 2020, 11:53:29 PM --> Reply #4
https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=408.msg9561#msg9561
Recently, on 10 February 2022, on the website :
https://www.kp.ru/daily/27358/4539638/
Dmitry Kireev carried out his own reconstruction of a possible method of torture of krivonishenko by the means of fire.
--- End quote ---
Thank you, Jean Daniel, I had not seen the video of the re-enactment of the fire before. That is pretty amazing, that the burns to the fake leg were exactly like those of Krivonishenko.
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