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Avalanche Theory for Dyatlov Pass Incident is Bolstered by New Study
Squatch:
--- Quote from: Manti on August 18, 2021, 08:27:32 AM ---That sounds more plausible but on all the photos I have seen of the ravine area, it is dense with undergrowth, which would stop the snow. And also not steep.
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When I look at the pictures of the "Den" and the area where the four hikers were discovered, I see very deep snow. I do not believe all that snow fell naturally after the death of the hikers.
From the https://dyatlovpass.com/the-den website regarding the Den: "20 m from the den, a probe 4 m deep came out with a fragment of flesh. They started to dig. Dubinina's body was found in the ravine on may 5th, 1959."
Four meters deep? How does that happen without an avalanche or serious collapse of snow?
That much snow collapsing would account for the injuries of these four hikers. If the other three escaped, they would have lighter injuries, which is what the evidence shows. Perhaps the digging of the Den helped the snow collapse to happen?
I do not claim to know for sure what happened that night. But all the evidence, in my opinion, points to unstable snow under severe weather conditions. Two times.
Игорь Б.:
--- Quote from: Squatch on August 18, 2021, 04:18:08 PM ---Four meters deep? How does that happen without an avalanche or serious collapse of snow?
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http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=90871
Manti:
So the post Igor B. has linked says that 4 meters of snow can accumulate in a snowstorm in under a day.
Think powder snow that the wind fills the ravine with. I think this is very plausible... the fact that they were found at the very bottom, in the stream, seems like a strange coincidence but considering the snow must have been melting for a while, I can see how snow under them had already melted away, and the rest shifted to the lowest point, the stream, but the bodies don't melt so naturally they could end up there.
But I agree that a snow collapse could explain the injuries well.
Ziljoe:
I see no problem with the snow being 4 meters deep across the ravine. Snow filling in undulations and dips in the landscape is a natural occurrence. Snow will be shallow where the wind blows and snow will gather where there is less wind.
From what I can see the ravine is more exposed than the surrounding area of trees and it looks like the wind would blow the snow down the mountain and gather. In Igor B's version of events this would of all ready happened before the group were even in the area , earlier in the winter. A natural snow cave or snow bridge could of easily have formed for them to shelter in, or manipulate into some sort cave.
There are a number of recent videos showing the depth of the snow on the banks and tent area , although none going across the entirety of the ravine at the same level as 1959. Every year will be slightly different.
If they ravine 4 did use a naturally formed snow cave and it did collapse on top of them , there is a lot of evidence to explain their injuries. This includes broken ribs and fractures, the nature of the fractures , lack of frostbite compared to the other 5 along with other known differences in the autopsy.
It is noted by witness that the snow was harder on top of the the ravine 4 and better digging tools and strong men were requested to help dig the area above. This suggests that the snow was of a different density above the ravine 4. The explanation for this is if the snow had collapsed it compacts and goes hard.
If you live in a country where you get snow a simple example is where snow on a roof eventually slides off due to thawing or weight. The snow that falls on to the ground compacts and is denser than the surrounding snow. It will be the the last snow to go when the thaw comes. No different to when the snow plough clears the road, the snow that has been compressed at the side of the road and is hard , it will still be there long after fallen snow has melted/thawed.
Per Inge Oestmoen:
--- Quote from: Ziljoe on August 24, 2021, 09:50:54 AM ---
If they ravine 4 did use a naturally formed snow cave and it did collapse on top of them , there is a lot of evidence to explain their injuries. This includes broken ribs and fractures, the nature of the fractures , lack of frostbite compared to the other 5 along with other known differences in the autopsy.
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No, the injuries are not what can be expected from an avalanche.
The damaging of rib cages and pointed crushing of skulls seen in Slobodin and Thibeaux-Brignolle are consistent with injuries we see when people are killed by skilled close combat specialists. An avalanche would unlikely crush skulls and rib cages without damaging the limbs. The fracture pattern on the skull of Thibeaux-Brignolle immediately strikes one as having the shape of a rifle butt, and the fact that Dubinina and Zolotaryov had damaged rib cages with no dislocations or fractures of the limbs makes it pretty safe to exclude the avalanche and snow slad theories. Kolevatov's crushed larynx also is far from what one would find if heavy snow had caused the damage, and I myself have learned the technique in jiu jitsu. I also have learned that a trained fighting specialist very easily can break the rib cage of victims with forceful elbow strikes, and this technique leads to major internal bleeding, shock and death.
It is interesting that Zolotaryov and Dubinina, but not the two others found at the same place, had crushed rib cages. A probable explanation is that since the group almost certainly was attacked by professional killers, these professionals were grouped in three and three. One group took Zolotaryov and Dubinina, while another expedited Thibeaux-Brignolle and Kolevatov. Different methods were used, according to the situation and the resistance the hikers put up.
The nine hikers were at the wrong place at the wrong time, and had to pay dearly for that.
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