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What Questions Would You Ask?
Paf:
I've been exploring a bit since.
Slobtov group seems to have been dropped for a short time at Otorten summit. They found a paper from another group, but no traces from Dyatlov's group.
Then, Akslerod, questionning this investigation, has been dropped with 4 others (including 2 radio) on one of the small summit of eastern Otorten ridge.
Akselrod went all along the treeline of this eastern ridge... But on the wrong side. (Dyatlov group could have been on this ridge, 100%, but he would have come from the southern side to more or less follow the ridge up to Otorten. Akselrod checked the northern treeline, where Dyatlov had absolutely no reasons to go. So the southern edge was not checked. Akselrod checked the pass between each small summit of the ridge, but would ski have left marks in those pass if they were there ? ) and more than anything, they "by-passed" the southern corner.
If somebody who can read russian would like to help, please check on Akslerod testimony ! :)... In English, by-pass can mean going around, making a detour to, or skipping.
If they skip the southern corner, they skipped Dyatlov's most probable itinerary. They skipped the eventuality of a ridge-only go and back (and one witness say they could even have try it from dyatlov's pass within a day, and we know they had lots of hard time before in the forest).
At the top, they didn't find traces of the group : but they didn't mentioned Slobtov's group traces neither. And they mention the weather was bad.
More : At 1PM, a plane dropped them a canister with a note that the tent had been found the previous day. If they went all along the forest edge, where were they when the plane caught them ? Would they be as focus on looking for track before and after ?
I think there are enough "not sure" to leave the question open. (plus : Slobtov testimony about the tent seems to be a bit under question, since the alcool flask was full for some, empty for others, and more. What if he found "evening Otorten" at the summit, per exemple, but lost it at the tent / gave it by mistake with some tent items / was told to shut of ? )
They might have been tricked by the wind on passing the wrong ridge (before the summit instead of after the summit), but they would have figure that out from the slop inclination. I don't think they went in the wood in search for Labaz.
RidgeWatcher:
Professor WAB, You have been greatly missed. I have a question for you, if you have read Teddy’s book. Do you think it is a possibility that any of the Dyatlov Hikers may have been alive and actually found but then left to die because the Geologists/Blasters/Foresters/Helicopters pilots feared for their lives.
I ask this questions for many reasons but mostly because it would seem the hikers with the less severe injuries are the hikers with the injustices more consistent with actual hand to hand fighting.
mk:
--- Quote from: WAB on April 21, 2021, 07:36:18 AM ---Dear Jay ! .
These are the kinds of questions that are so obvious that they are not addressed in such studies because they are clear and obvious to those who have written about them....
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Thank you for going to all the trouble to explain these things & include pictures, WAB--it makes perfect sense when you explain it, of course. And you've answered several questions that I've had, myself, about flashlights and such.
mk:
--- Quote from: eurocentric on April 19, 2021, 01:07:21 PM ---My ouija board has recently interviewed them all. Thankfully one of the many wonders of the metaphysical was that it could translate English into Russian, and use cyrillic writing. It’ll take Google another 50 years to catch up...
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That was BRILLIANT!! lol2 clap1 bow7
WAB:
--- Quote from: RidgeWatcher on April 24, 2021, 04:16:56 PM ---Professor WAB, You have been greatly missed.
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DearRidgeWatcher !
Thank you for this kind attitude.
However you have somewhat elevated me in a scientific rank. In my country I, unfortunately, did not have time to acquire such a title. I stopped at the previous one, when I left teaching at the university. Here it is called "associate professor" and is equivalent to what in the U.S. it is called assistant professor or lecturer. Germany has something similar to this. We have a complicated system of academic and university titles and degrees. Degrees have 2 levels: science Candidate (it corresponds to the PhD degree) and (Full) Doctor of Sciences (this is a very high qualification, when you need to defend a new direction in some science). Accordingly, in order to become a professor, it is necessary to have a degree of "our" Doctor of Sciences. In the science, which I was involved, in the USSR had a doctoral degree only 2 people. In our country the position of professor and the title of professor are two different concepts. Although I held such a position briefly, when we did a joint special course with MIT for the students of our two universities in the early 1990s.
--- Quote from: RidgeWatcher on April 24, 2021, 04:16:56 PM ---I have a question for you, if you have read Teddy’s book.
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No, I have not read the book, so I will not say anything about the book, but to individual questions, if you ask them yourself, I am ready to answer what I know. If we are talking about the events in Dyatlov's group in 1959 and further research on the subject.
--- Quote from: RidgeWatcher on April 24, 2021, 04:16:56 PM ---Do you think it is a possibility that any of the Dyatlov Hikers may have been alive and actually found but then left to die because the Geologists/Blasters/Foresters/Helicopters pilots feared for their lives.
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No, it is impossible if the period of their stay in nature is more than one day, after they escaped from the tent.
By the way, no foresters, pilots, geologists or anyone else found the tent before Slobtsov and Sharavin, and the first people (corpses) were found by Sharavin and Koptelov on February 27. This is nothing more than a fantastic legend, which is not real in fact, but logically. As soon as someone declares an "early find", immediately there are many questions, to which there is no answer, because it contradicts the conditions of the area, the laws of nature, the human capacity to do such, and so on. If you study this subject seriously, you have to get away from imaginary entities, because this is a path to nowhere. One such method is called "matryoshka- матрешка in Russian" - there is such a children's toy or souvenir from Russia. This means that as soon as a statement is made, a new entity appears, on which a new statement appears to justify it, and so on to infinity... Most importantly, there is no material confirmation other than the words of the one who is talking about it. There are a lot of people who want to make up a non-existent sensation, especially when there are a lot of publications in the press and broadcasts on TV.
--- Quote from: RidgeWatcher on April 24, 2021, 04:16:56 PM ---I ask this questions for many reasons but mostly because it would seem the hikers with the less severe injuries are the hikers with the injustices more consistent with actual hand to hand fighting.
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No, that is excluded. Before talking about "hand-to-hand combat," one must clearly understand who and why it was necessary, as well as the extent to which it was possible in the very place and under the conditions that it was.
Usually such statements are made by people who have little or no familiarity with those conditions and the practice of the activity they are talking about. The reason for this is the description of trauma, which everyone imagines is very varied. Even professional coroners try to transfer what they saw in the city to what was there, and because they have never dealt with the same cases, they say what they know, but not what was there. In the practice of such travels and similar searches, I have seen many traumas, so I see nothing surprising in what Dr. Boris Wozrozhdenny (Возрожденный - in Russian) wrote. The reason that no "fights" are possible there, I can easily show on this slope in winter to anyone who thinks it is possible. What kind of fights can there be when there is knee-deep snow around, and sometimes waist-deep? And the temperature is so hot that it requires thick clothes... And then, if we proceed from the elementary logic, if someone has decided to commit a crime, he does not go to the North Pole (this is relative, but get to the pass is not much easier). He needs something closer, and something with which he is familiar. No one even thinks about how that someone should go there, skiing for a few days, and then return from there, since no foreign corpses were found there.
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