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Exiting the tent
tenne:
so the two Yuri's left the collapsed tent using one flashlight and left it to illuminate the path and then did a meandering, if you look at the map that Teddy made, walk to the cedars, not a direct line BTW in the dark. Then the rest of them left their only flashlight at the tent to walk down to the cedar in the dark, using the the flashlight laying the path and then walked past it down to the cedar in the dark?
Is this what you are thinking?
trekker:
--- Quote from: tenne on March 23, 2021, 03:08:34 PM ---Then the rest of them left their only flashlight at the tent to walk down to the cedar in the dark, using the the flashlight laying the path and then walked past it down to the cedar in the dark?
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Obviously they managed to get to the cedar. Didn’t they?
Why they missed the flashlight left marking the path? Maybe they had delay and battery was exhausted. Maybe they noticed two Yuris went wrong direction to almost certain death. What would you do in that situation? Leave two comrades missing and go to the storage or do you wait if they miraculously come back?
Two Yuris managed to make fire, they climbed 5 m to cedar, managed to signal their whereabouts and rest of the group descended to help comrades. Maybe that took considerable time and path marking light’s battery was exhausted already. But it is fact that they managed to get cedar.
tenne:
--- Quote from: trekker on March 23, 2021, 02:25:33 PM ---
--- Quote from: tenne on March 23, 2021, 02:05:15 PM --- why would they not pick through the warm clothing at the tent using the flashlight rather than head down the slope, in the freezing cold, not properly dressed
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If the tent really collapsed, it was very good assessment of the situation and leadership from Igor Dyatlov. If we assume that there was 50 cm of snow, that makes around 1000kg. Digging that amount of snow bare hands takes time. Descending to storage, say around 2 km downhill take 15-20 mins. So Dyatlov calculated they had maybe 1 hour before their performance start to drop drastically. He send two Yuris to find path to storage and make fire beforehand. Rest of the group have some 30 mins time to dig supplies and then they quicly descent to storage after two Yuris and there were fire ready. Please remember they had firewood ready at the storage.
--- Quote from: tenne on March 23, 2021, 02:05:15 PM ---why would they leave a working flashlight and keep going in the dark if that is why they left the tent?
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To mark the path to storage for the rest of the group. It makes perfect sense, if they decided to follow 30 mins after digging the tent.
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1. why would we assume 50 cm of snow on the tent when it was found "The north part was covered with 15-20 cm of snow. It was concluded from general appearance and density that it was not a result of an avalanche but blown by the wind"
2. As far as we can tell, they didn't dig anything out of the tent so why didn't they all leave together or do you think they took some stuff out of the tent and then left to go down to the storage. if so, why not their warm outer wear, boots etc
3. why would they leave a working flashlight sitting on top of the collapsed tent, on top of 10cm of snow, and walk down without it? It had to be turned on so it wasn't left on for them to have a beacon to use to come back to
sarapuk:
--- Quote from: trekker on March 23, 2021, 01:17:14 PM ---The tent had 5 long vertical cuts and many short horizontal cuts or tears. 5 vertical cuts were large enough to exit the tent. Cuts were quite evenly distributed to one side.
I’m figuring following possibilities:
-they were forced to make all those cuts. It rendered tent almost useless and in that environment drastically lowered chances of survival
-cuts were made orderly fashion. They didn’t try to sneak out from human threat. Sneaking out would have been obvious with one cut to back of the tent. They didn’t try to escape in panic and hurry. In that case there would have been cuts and tearing all over the tent, both sides and back of the tent.
-Their freedom of movement was propably blocked inside the tent, so they had to cut openings where they slept.
Possible cause of cutting and exiting might be collapsed snow or small slab avalanche above the tent.
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The Dyatlov Group left the Tent because they feared something. And by the look of it they were scared to death of staying at the Tent. So it figures that they wanted to get away from the Tent very quickly, so quickly in fact that they didnt even stop to dress properly, thats how scared they were. And yet you say that they didnt try to escape in panic and hurry ! ? Think about it.
sarapuk:
--- Quote from: trekker on March 23, 2021, 01:48:42 PM ---I was surprized how close their storage (labaz) was from the tent. Almost as close as the cedar tree. Their best chances for survival was the storage, after the collapse. It makes perfect sense to descent quickly downhill to storage.
In the storage were nineteen items of food with a total weight of 55 kg. Also found were some medical supplies and Dyatlov’s warm outer boots, plus one pair of spare ski boots, a mandolin, a set of batteries and a lamp, and a mounting set.
Maybe Dyatlov decided to send two uninjured members (two Yuris) to storage to make fire beforehand for the rest of the group. Rest of the group left behind to dig out warm clothes and supplies from collapsed tent.
At the start two Yuris disoriented about 90 degrees to left and descended to cedar. They had same kind of disorienting to left earlier at the same day and got too high up Kholat Syakhl - magnetic anomaly or poor compass and bad visibility? It is very easy to get disoriented in the dark when you can travel rather quickly downhill.
At last two Yuris noticed they are disoriented and they can’t find storage. They made fire, climbed to cedar to signal rest of the group their whereabouts. Rest of the group descended to Two Yuris and they all perished there. Would they have survived, if they had descended correctly to the storage?
Edit: There were even firewood ready in the storage. Best chances for survival - food, firewood, medical supplies for injuries from collapse and at least two pairs of boots.
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The Storage wasnt that close. The Dyatlov Group fled the Tent and made downhill towards the Forest and ended up near the Cedar Tree. This is what all the indications poiint to.
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