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Marchesk:
In Svetlana's "Don't Go There" book's first chapter, she mentions a meeting between Boris Yeltsin and Vladimir Korotaev, who had been the initial investigator before being fired. Yeltsin asked Korotaev about the case, since Yeltsin had attended Ural Polytechnic Institute. Korotaev relates how he was told to conclude the hikers died of hypothermia by party leader Ivan Prodanov.

Yeltsin asked him what he really thought and Korotaev said it was murder, and Yeltsin agreed. Borris said that he would have the case reopened, but nothing happened as a result of this meeting.

If true, that's very interesting. I haven't given the murder theories much credence due to the absence of evidence of anyone on the mountain that night, and other reasons given for doubting foul play. But this sort of thing does raise a red flag. Of course it's always possible the higher ups just wanted closure instead of rampant speculation, so they responded in 1959 Soviet style and shut things down. But it does make one wonder given that there is a lack of definitive evidence for any the natural cause theories.

sarapuk:
Well it was described as MURDER BUT NOT A USUAL MURDER  IE  they both agreed it was an OVERWHELMING FORCE.

Marchesk:
What's weird to me is how Korotaev was told to conclude the hikers died from hypothermia, which ignores finding the compelling cause of leaving the tent, which lead to death from exposure (for six of them at least). And it glosses over the three with massive internal injuries do to some sort of collision.

sarapuk:
The way that the case was quickly concluded in the way that it was as led  to the obvious conspiracy theories.  Its not just weird its positively confusing.

WAB:

--- Quote from: Marchesk on October 28, 2018, 12:17:41 PM ---In Svetlana's "Don't Go There" book's first chapter, she mentions a meeting between Boris Yeltsin and Vladimir Korotaev, who had been the initial investigator before being fired.
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The greatest part of conversations about this history of incident is filled by hearings and myths. It is one of these myths.
1.Korotayev never no was the inspector on this case. It could not begin an investigation instead of the public prosecutor of municipality because it was only the trainee at that time. (It has come to work to Office of Public Prosecutor for some weeks prior to the beginning of this consequence). As at us speak “it could not start to investigate case through a head of the main chief”. It as Monika Lewinsky could not give the order on operations instead of the President Clinton. It worked as the younger clerk in Office of Public Prosecutor and all this history was at it on a kind, but that real it could do that only under instructions of the chief. Therefore it have not dismissed because did not appoint to run this case.
2.For Yeltsin when it was already big boss (in the early nineties) the Lev Ivanov, but tried to transfer the Information on this business further than Yeltsin will simply familiarise nothing with this information has made. Yeltsin's widow Naina has told recently (when it have asked about a case with Dyatlov group) - https://rg.ru/2018/10/18/reg-urfo/naina-elcina-otvetila-na-vopros-o-prichinah-gibeli-gruppy-diatlova.html  - that he was interested in this case routinely, but has received nothing as a result. Possible was not any information to it.
3.In 1959 Yeltsin was the Komsomol functionary (it is such youth political organisation which was about Communist Party) and for certain something knew about this case. In the same way as well as many townsmen Sverdlovsk. But anywhere there are no documents that it took part in it even in the smallest case.
4.Svetlana Oss (its full surname of Osadchuck) is the journalist of the newspaper "Moscow Times" and the book wrote taking a material from forums on the Internet. At it many actual errors and unreality. For example, only 2 points (and I can list them some tens).
A. The book name "Don't Go There" it is received from different discussions in forums and is double distortion of the name of mountain Otorten in language Mansi. About it there is a mention on a site https://dyatlovpass.com/ . Of course, it is an bélles-léttres image but when the author uses unreal images also the relation to its book becomes smallreality.
B. It in the book has such illustration:
However no cave there is present and never was. Here a picture from the same point on other travel:
 


It turns out so that if the author has started to dream roughly on what does not exist, also the relation to its text such that this text is imagination in the most part.



It is only those 2 paths of the information which have got to me at once and casually. I can result  more 10… 20 path and more discord in its book. The difference at us with it that I it study all on a place of events and itself, and it takes another's texts and statements and writes the book. She have advantage before other writers who develops this theme that it is she writes in English and all of you it can easily read. Texts in Russian which contain more than the real information, for you have smaller availability.


--- Quote from: Marchesk on October 28, 2018, 12:17:41 PM ---Yeltsin asked Korotaev about the case, since Yeltsin had attended Ural Polytechnic Institute. Korotaev relates how he was told to conclude the hikers died of hypothermia by party leader Ivan Prodanov.
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Yeltsin visited to Ural polytechnical institute because he there studied to it with 1950 and to 1955. After that it became the district Komsomol boss to 1963 could not meet Korotaev (Korotaev has end university [ other university !! ] in 1958) because they had different spheres of action and Yeltsin all time was in the city of Sverdlovsk, and Korotaev all time was in the city of Ivdel. The distance between thet was about 600 km or 400 miles. At that time to arrive from one city to another it was difficult. The most important thing would not be the reasons in that that they met. A case with Dyatlov group after 1959 in newspapers and in general in official context did not remember prior to the beginning of 90th years. Friends of participants of group remembered it, but not authorities rule. It now much becomes for this purpose that all this history would be in the public eye at the press and other mass-media. And then time about it did not speak absolutely.


--- Quote from: Marchesk on October 28, 2018, 12:17:41 PM ---Yeltsin asked him what he really thought and Korotaev said it was murder, and Yeltsin agreed. Borris said that he would have the case reopened, but nothing happened as a result of this meeting.
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It is a myth completely. Anything such was not. Who and where has received such information it is interesting to me very mash?


--- Quote from: Marchesk on October 28, 2018, 12:17:41 PM ---If true, that's very interesting. I haven't given the murder theories much credence due to the absence of evidence of anyone on the mountain that night, and other reasons given for doubting foul play. But this sort of thing does raise a red flag.
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Certainly, when appear that is artificial created "the fried facts" (if tell simply inventions more precisely) "yellow press" always will be vigorous


--- Quote from: Marchesk on October 28, 2018, 12:17:41 PM ---Of course it's always possible the higher ups just wanted closure instead of rampant speculation, so they responded in 1959 Soviet style and shut things down. But it does make one wonder given that there is a lack of definitive evidence for any the natural cause theories.

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About what “fast closing” there can be a conversation? Under the law (the criminally-remedial code of Russia which operated in thet time) on preliminary investigation of such case should be spent in a current of 2 months from the date opening. If it is required to continue it, Public Prosecutor of region can resolve it for one month. Let's look that is really.
Case was opened by Public Regional Prosecutor Tempalov on February, 28th 1959 upon presence of corpses. It is should be the obligatory reason. Further this case have passed to Public Prosecutor of region Ivanov routinely and it lead it till April, 28th 1959. Further the Public Region Prosecutor  Klinov has allowed to prolong it till May, 28th 1959 on demand of Public Prosecutor of region Ivanov. Longer already it was not impossible prolong it because it was not revealed any actual signs of criminal actions. If look at documents that all it is indeed.
Why on a cover of this case there is date February, 6th I already wrote at this forum. If it is very necessary I am can repeat again it once. It is connected with process of operate of office-work.
That an unambiguous answer about the reasons покидания tents it as a result has not been given does not mean that that criminal took place that. The consequence could not tell precisely about it because they did not have not enough knowledge for this purpose. Has passed 60 years. Even now there is no such knowledge, if both the science and criminalistics much work has been done and already pass big way.
So you want get from people who lived 60 years ago?

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