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ash73:
So the labaz on the mountain... decoding these photos is key. I can see the sense of putting the storage on the return route, and I did think it looked more like a hole than a surface when I first saw them, but I'd be concerned about the flag being blown away and the storage being lost.
I can see 18 skis, 4-5 people digging, what are the rest doing? Why would they all go up the slope, and remove their skis? And it seems like a big hole to store 55kg, it should be maybe 2/3 the size of a person. And I think someone mentioned the camera settings and lighting indicated early evening, but it should be the morning of 1 Feb.
Plus, in this scenario we're talking about conspiritors lugging the tent (and contents) up the mountain, removing the storage, erecting the tent, walking NE down the mountain via the same route (4+4 footprints) carrying 55kg of items, then walking a mile South to install the new storage. Why not walk SE to the new storage location? It seems like a lot of effort. And why not just leave everything in the tent, the diaries don't say they made storage yet.
Plus, if the conspiritors improvised the storage later, when people started commenting certains items were missing, boots, skis, food, etc... then they didn't make storage, so you can't explain the photos.
KFinn:
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--- Quote from: ash73 on March 04, 2021, 03:24:27 PM ---Regards books, Igor Pavlov & Teodora Hadjiyska - 1079 is up next, I've saved the best 'till last!
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Interesting book, I was quite relieved when I saw it's only 200 pages, I was expecting an encyclopedia, but it's very dense and not an easy read. I'm normally quite good at taking stuff in but I will have to go back and re-read a lot of it.
I really like the route maps, it's the only book I've read so far which looks at the whole hike and where they were planning to go next; which is key to understanding where the tent and labaz were, and why. The diagrams are great but I find the descriptions confusing, always talking about moving from one river valley to another, never bearings and landmarks.
I like the idea of the tree falling on the tent, it's a clever original idea but obviously it depends on you first buying into the tent being in the trees. Very unlucky it fell lengthways along the tent and I'm not convinced it explains all the injuries, in fact it was odd the book glossed over the autopsy findings, which are reliable facts. But maybe the truth is that boring.
I can believe there was a cover-up, but there's a confusing web of similar sounding names, incredibly long job titles, committees, meetings, radiograms etc, it's not always clear what point the author is trying to make. After several sections I was left thinking "so what? what does it mean?". There's too little commentary so it's hard work to understand, and some of the details could be put in an appendix.
And when you think about it, it's an extraordinary amount of effort to cover up an accidental death. It would have been simpler just to collect up the tent and bodies and bring them to the town, and remove everything from the scene. Then you could be vague about where they were found and just say it was an accident. The book even mentions a cook's body being retrieved on a sledge and there was no investigation.
The book is not clear about certain details of the scenario, e.g. where precisely was the tent? where were the bodies? how did those with minor injuries die? why didn't they grab clothes and tools from the tent? how did 4 die in the tent and end up with extra clothes? The final chapter needs fleshing out a bit, imo.
Overall I think I'd put it in the lower half of my list, well worth reading, lots of good data, love the maps, but a bit impenetrable and the final timeline of events is not quite resolved. I might revisit that after re-reading it. It's interesting every book has different information, and comes at it from a different angle.
I'll pop onto the book comments thread later and ask some questions.
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I personally read it through three times. The first time was a power read because I was really excited. The next two were to process all of it and cement it in my head. Its an amazing reference tool for looking up information on people involved and specifics of of timeline and route. And it really made the searchers and other students feel more real and dimensional to me. The amount of work that went into it was astronomical!
I do have questions about the theory, as well. I can see it unfolding along these lines and I really do *want* it to have all been a natural accident because I've come to hold the group in high esteem; they had great integrity, they were hardworking, fun loving, dedicated, strong people. They fought to stay alive, no matter what the circumstances were. For me, I want it to be an accident and not anything nefarious. But, wanting it thus and reality don't often intersect, lol!
ash73:
It's like a jigsaw puzzle where every theory has to first take 100 random pieces off the table, because they don't all fit.
KFinn:
--- Quote from: ash73 on March 06, 2021, 10:51:03 AM ---It's like a jigsaw puzzle where every theory has to first take 100 random pieces off the table, because they don't all fit.
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That's an excellent analogy!!!!
ash73:
I'm beginning to wonder if Moscow were in fact telling the truth about an avalanche... but only a partial truth.
We know the slope of 1079 is insufficient, but if there was a catalyst that could cause an avalanche, then most everything fits... especially if said catalyst was observed as lights in the sky.
For example:
- tent is dug into the slope of 1079 making layered snow vulnerable to movement
- MacGuffin* explodes nearby on the mountain
- explosion causes vibration, which causes avalanche & noise
- hikers panic, cut their way out of the tent
- hikers run down the slope leaving clothes/tools behind
- hikers make a fire, groups splits, some keep the fire going others make a den
- fire is not working, two Yuris die, small scuffle breaks out, clothes are scavanged
- Rustem ascends slope and dies, followed by Igor and Zina
- rav4 make a den, their movements disturb the snow, causing avalanche in the ravine
- rav4 fall on rocks and are buried in snow
- lights in the sky Feb 17 are helicopters retrieving MacGuffin wreckage
- authorities close the case down because investigator sends radiograms in the clear about orbs & rockets
- cover up because authorities don't want people to discover what CAUSED the avalanche
*MacGuffin could be rocket launched from Kapustin Yar or Baikonur, or a spent stage, or local SAM test, or parachute mines from Tu-95, radioactive or not... choose your poison it doesn't matter.
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