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The Cedar Then/Now
Jean Daniel Reuss:
--- Quote from: Charles on June 25, 2022, 01:39:00 AM --- Reply #27
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The poll/butt of this axe is already a "blunt object", no need to do any extra work:
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Why go to complicated solutions when easy ones are available ?
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On the contrary, it was necessary to do this extra work to not just use immediately available axes because:
1) - The injuries described (https://dyatlovpass.com/death) are not compatible with ordinary axe use because the iron of an axe is much harder and angular than a wooden blunt object whose contacting part has a rounded shape close to the sphere.
2) - Also, as I introduced in "wolverine (topic=390), Reply #59
https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=390.msg17896#msg17896
the use of blunt objects made of birch wood wrapped in fabric padding is conceivable in a natural way ( especially if one thinks about the production of wolverine skin or fur).
3) - I also exclude the use of an axe handle alone, i.e. without the steel cutting part, because the weight of a handle alone is less than 1 kilogram and therefore not sufficient.
(In axes the steel part is generally heavier than the handle alone).
4) - One must therefore resign oneself to resorting to a complicated solution when no simpler one is available.
Charles:
nothing here
Jean Daniel Reuss:
--- Quote from: Charles on June 29, 2022, 06:50:36 AM --- Reply #31
--- Quote from: Jean Daniel Reuss on June 29, 2022, 06:17:23 AM ---same photo not shownOn the contrary, it was necessary to do this extra work to not just use immediately available axes because:
The injuries described (https://dyatlovpass.com/death) are not compatible with ordinary axe use because the iron of an axe is much harder .....than a wooden blunt object whose contacting part has a rounded shape close to the sphere.
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As you can see by yourself on the photo, the butt of this axe from Vizhay area is not "angular" at all and has a "round shape close to the sphere". It is in front of your eyes on the photo. We have to relate the eyes with the words.
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1) •••
Error ! : You seem to be unaware of the complexity of the mechanics of impacts, especially in the cases where it is necessary to take into account both physical and anatomical aspects.
For its geometric shape is only one part of the characteristics of a "blunt object".
With the same energy and the same shape, the hardness parameter of the object which is the cause of the impact must not be forgotten.
In other words, from the point of view of the damage that can be detected at an autopsy, the hardness of the material of the object that strikes is an essential parameter.
We know the commonly accepted values of Brinell hardness.
Pinus sibirica = 2.0 ; Birch = 2.6
(Not wrapped in cushioning material)
Steel for striking tools such as axes or hammers = 650 to 700
(The axes in use in 1959 in the Urals came from Soviet metallurgy, which had nothing to envy to Western metallurgy).
But I would understand that these few theoretical hints to the science of shocks, which constitutes a huge body of knowledge that is still imperfectly known and in the process of being developed at present, do not seem very convincing to you.
2) •••
I am just reading that the non-lethal defence weapon "Flash Ball LBD 40x46" sends out a spherical rubber bullet: diameter=40 mm; weight=41,8 g; speed=331 km/h which corresponds to a kinetic energy of 176.684 joules.
In your opinion, what would happen if you substituted the rubber bullet with a spherical steel bullet of the same diameter 40 mm (therefore necessarily hollow) and of the same energy 176.7 joules ?
3) •••
These vague theoretical considerations can be advantageously replaced by some practical trials.
Take a wooden mallet and then a steel hammer (same shape, same weight) and strike objects that could represent human tissue (since there are no death row inmates for us).
You will notice a difference in the appearance of the impacts.
Or more simply, try knock in iron nails (mild steel) with a wooden mallet and then with a steel hammer.
You will also notice a difference in the easiness of doing this task.
4) •••
Modern trappers who do not want to damage the valuable skins of trapped volverines probably use rubber truncheons rather than even rounded iron bars.
Note.
Standard Brinell hardness is measured by the depth of the indentation left by a 23 mm diameter ball weighing 1 kg dropped from a height of 50 cm. This test allows . Brinell hardness should in principle be expressed in Newton/mm². (Further consideration would be needed to match Brinell measurements with the values of other hardness scales : Rockwell, Vickers... and in particular the broader Mohs scale).
Игорь Б.:
Кедр, 1959 - 2022:
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=116482
И кому придёт в голову ставить палатку на таком склоне?
Олег Таймень:
--- Quote from: Игорь Б. on September 27, 2022, 10:47:32 AM ---Кедр, 1959 - 2022:
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=116482
И кому придёт в голову ставить палатку на таком склоне?
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Угол наклона склона у кедра ничем не отличается от угла наклона склона северо-восточного отрога Холатчахля..
Кроме того, палатку у кедра можно легко поставить, отойдя от него метров 6-7 в восточном направлении.. Там гораздо ровнее..
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