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General Discussion / Re: Avalanche theory

« Last post by GlennM on Today at 02:13:06 PM »

Teddy, this is most generous of you. It demonstrates to me that you are fair minded and considerate. A lesser person would have said, " I wrote the book on this". If opinions matter, you are certainly allowing divergent points of view to be put forward. Thanks.

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General Discussion / Re: Avalanche theory

« Last post by Teddy on Today at 02:13:38 AM »

The poll was set up to run -1 day, I don't even know how's that possible.
I extended it to 100 days. Please vote if you haven't.

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General Discussion / Re: Avalanche theory

« Last post by GlennM on April 23, 2024, 01:59:09 PM »

Potential suffocation, not weight of snow is why they left. They could one way or another get out of the tent, but not reenter.

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General Discussion / Re: Avalanche theory

« Last post by Partorg on April 23, 2024, 10:20:17 AM »

The avalanche 6-700 meters away from the tent that was observed on Kholat Syakhl in January 2023 shows it can happen, I believe the evidence is quickly eroded.

Absolutely right. The avalanche on the southern slope of 1079 in itself does not prove anything: there the slope is steeper and landslides happen apparently every winter (and maybe after every heavy snowfall), but this case is indicative in that a not very strong snowstorm almost completely destroyed the traces of the landslide already after half an hour.

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General Discussion / Re: State order for liquidation. Anna Russian's version.(c)

« Last post by anna_pycckux on April 23, 2024, 12:31:07 AM »

I would like to discuss an article in the KP newspaper for 2012, in which it is written that during the delivery of tourists to the morgue of the Ivdel hospital, Yuri Yudin was also in the Ivdel and watched the corpses through the hospital window. For some reason, this message in the article went unnoticed and was not discussed anywhere.
Quote from the article:
"I was young then, I worked as a nurse," recalls Zoya Nikitichna Savina. - I saw them at the bus stop. Everyone is so funny. They laughed loudly. And then they were brought to the morgue, I looked through the window. The girl was lying there and the guys, I don't remember how long. The girl had socks on her feet. And their friend, the guy who didn't go with them, stood under the windows of the morgue and cried … In the same hospital, Maria Ivanovna Salter worked as a surgical assistant in the morgue..."
It turns out that Yudin knew about the death of tourists, saw their bodies even before the official search. Why Yudin returned from a hike and stayed in the city of Ivdel is a separate conversation.
Perhaps he was waiting for the guys to return, and for this trip to be taken into account by the tourist club. Or maybe he was doing the work of the special services.
https://www.kp.ru/daily/25946.5/2890373/

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General Discussion / Re: Is there evidence for outsiders?

« Last post by Ziljoe on April 23, 2024, 12:23:53 AM »

I have a vague memory of reading something about longer skis , I can't remember where I read it , also one of the group preferred to ski in felt boots I think.

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Non-DP Related Mysteries! / Re: Sokhondo Nature Reserve: The Trans-Baikal Dyatlov Pass

« Last post by GlennM on April 22, 2024, 04:51:08 PM »

I read nothing to rule out food poisoning. If they all ate together and ate the same thing, that might be it.

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General Discussion / Re: Survival programs as a resource.

« Last post by Ziljoe on April 22, 2024, 01:55:54 AM »

This video is from a book "to build a fire" by Jack London, written in 1908. It is narrated by Orson Welles and directed by David Cobham in 1969.

Although a story and a low budget film, it has a certain charm and tension that might give us an insight to some of the things experienced by the Dyatlov group. It certainly highlights the potential dangers of the cold and the deterioration of the mind and body against the elements.

It's about a man traveling a path in freezing cold conditions to meet some others at a camp but a series of events occur. The story identifies the problems of creeks and ravines being hidden by snow and this was written in 1908.



https://youtu.be/RBB06RLmCcU?si=zh6YViTe-V1c6t8p

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General Discussion / Re: AVANLANCHE THEORY

« Last post by Ziljoe on April 21, 2024, 02:33:45 PM »

I think it's possible but so are some other theories. For me it's the most plausible explanation but obviously not a certainty.When I way it up against other proposed solutions, some sort of snow slide nudges ahead .

The avalanche 6-700 meters away from the tent that was observed on Kholat Syakhl in January 2023 shows it can happen, I believe the evidence is quickly eroded.

So we know an "avalanche" can happen on 1079 .That's a fact , plain and simple.....is it what happened to the hikers? .... Who knows.

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General Discussion / Re: Avalanche theory

« Last post by eurocentric on April 21, 2024, 11:39:02 AM »

Only 4 members, including myself, have answered this Poll. Even so none seem to believe this is possible or likely.

I see no point in circular arguments about whether an avalanche was possible up there, it would never be of such magnitude, surely, that the hikers could not dig out their tent, they'd already dug out the trench without shovels, and find themselves usefully deeper in a surrounding insulating wall of snow, the mountain even less likely to produce a second avalanche. That would be more preferable than walking off to your underdressed deaths.

What I have always taken the theory to suggest, its only logic, is that a piece of snow crust directly above the tent and inline with it calved off and slid into the tent, not a localised and wider avalanche. If that happened then a repeat may be possible, impacting with greater velocity, and there is then a logic to abandoning the tent site, though even then it should be possible to retrieve more items than torches to survive elsewhere.

But if such an event was to happen you'd expect the crust above the tent to bear some evidence, leaving behind a snow-filled depression, and for this fresh infill to feel very different underfoot, containing more air than the surrounding crust? Neither witnesses or photographs suggest this, and the uphill side of the tent was not damaged by any deluge, a coat even remained stuffed into a hole on that side, the tent kept its footprint, and ski poles and skis remained in position.

The aftermath does not suggest that 3 weeks earlier something happened connected with any type of snow slide.