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Expedition plan:
July 17 train from Yekaterinburg to Ivdel
Train:
From Ekb on July 17 (Monday) train No. 127 departing at 17.28 places, car 5.
Arrives in Ivdel on July 18 (Tue) at 02.51 local.
On July 18, transfer to the ford of Auspiya with Dmitry Pushin on gas-66 and crossing 10-12 km. up the river Auspiya.
On July 19, the transition to the parking lot of Yu.K. Kuntsevich
From July 20 to July 27, individual and joint expedition activities in the area from the Dyatlov Pass to Otorten.
July 27-28 or July 28 the main group of participants descends to the ford of Auspiya
On July 29, the main group of participants will be transported by car to the Ivdel railway station or bus station. In the evening boarding a train or bus to Yekaterinburg.
Train:
From Ivdel to Yekb on July 29 (Sat) train No. 128 departing at 22.14 places, car 4.
Arrives in Ekb July 30 (Sun) at 07.48 local.

The second part of the expedition
July 27 or 28 transition to GUKh
July 29, the transition to the place where Valery Anyamov found a piece-wafer of the rocket skin. Area radiation measurements. Looking for other pieces
July 30, 31, August 1,2,3 going through a temporary portal to another dimension and studying ancient artifacts, megaliths and caves. The search for secret huts of poachers of the USSR. Enjoy the unique remote mountainous nature of the Northern Urals. Crossings without trails for 5-6 km. per day with evening fishing for trophy grayling. We don’t take fish out of the portal, we only eat it exclusively.
On August 4, the transition to the hut on the Khozya River
August 5 day at Khozya's hut
On August 6, crossing towards the Mt. Halatchakhl
August 7, crossing to the Kuntsevich camp
August 8 crossing down the Auspiya
August 9, crossing to the ford of Auspiya, searching for the Mansi labaz

Third part of the expedition
On August 10, crossing to Lozva 5 km., Searching for the Mansi storage shed
August 11 rafting to 2 Northern. The search for the exact location of the former house where the Dyatlov group spent the night
August 12 rafting to Treskolie, studying the life of the Mansi. Fishing throughout the rafting.
August 13 rafting to Ushma, search for the remains of a hut at the mouth of Ushminka from a tourist report of 1958
August 14 day in Ushma, search for the remains of a hut at the mouth of the Ushminka from a tourist report of 1958
August 15 rafting up to 41 quarters, exploring the territory
August 16 rafting to the 55 quarter
August 17 rafting to the mouth of the river Kotlia
August 18 rafting to Vizhay
August 19 moving to Ivdel
August 20 arrival in Yekaterinburg
August 21, 22 by train to Novokuznetsk
(+ two or three days for bad weather during the rafting)
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The project is not commercial. I invite everyone to join for any period of the expedition. Everyone has their own equipment, their own products and their own pot for autonomous food. It is possible to combine the process of preparing breakfast and dinner.
To Ivdel by railway transport. Pick-up and drop-off on a GAZ-66 (6-7 hours drive) to the ford of Auspiya costs 3.0-3.5 thousand rubles one way. Calculation with the driver on the spot.
Flights are not every day. You need to find out and agree in advance.
Or you can book the whole car for yourself for 22-25 thousand rubles, where 10-11 people with backpacks fit.
Those wishing to join, write. I can tell you all the incomprehensible nuances and details in a personal, I will answer questions.



Предварительный план экспедиции:
17 июля поезд из Екатеринбурга до Ивделя
Поезд:
Из Екб на 17 июля (пн) поезд № 127 отправлением в 17.28 мест, вагон 5.
Прибывает в Ивдель 18 июля (вт) в 02.51 местного.
18 июля заброска на брод Ауспии с Дмитрием Пушиным на газ-66 и переход 10-12 км. вверх по реке Ауспия.
19 июля переход до стоянки Ю.К.Кунцевича
С 20 по 27 июля индивидуальные и совместные мероприятия экспедиции в районе от перевала Дятлова до Отортена.
27-28 июля или 28 июля основная группа участников спускается до брода Ауспии
29 июля основная группа участников выбрасывается на машине до Ж\Д вокзала Ивделя или автовокзала. Вечером посадка в поезд или автобус до Екатеринбурга.
Поезд:
Из Ивделя в Екб на 29 июля (сб) поезд №128 отправлением в 22.14 мест, вагон 4.
Прибывает в Екб 30 июля (вс) в 07.48 местного.

Вторая часть экспедиции
27 или 28 июля переход на ГУХ
29 июля переход до места, где Валерием Анямовым был найден кусок-вафля обшивки ракеты. Замеры радиации местности. Поиски других кусков
30, 31 июля, 1,2,3 августа переход через временной портал в другое измерение и изучение древних артефактов, мегалитов и пещер. Поиски тайных изб браконьеров СССР. Наслаждение уникальной труднодоступной горной природой Северного Урала. Переходы без троп по 5-6 км. в день с вечерней рыбалкой на трофейного хариуса. Рыбу из портала не выносим, ей исключительно только питаемся.
4 августа переход до избы на реке Хозья
5 августа днёвка на избе Хозья
6 августа переход в сторону г.Халатчахль
7 августа переход до стоянки Кунцевича
8 августа переход вниз по Ауспии
9 августа переход до брода Ауспии, поиски мансийского лабаза

Третья часть экспедиции
10 августа переход до Лозьвы 5км., поиски мансийского лабаза
11 августа сплав до 2 Северного. Поиски точного место бывшего дома, в котором ночевала группа Дятлова
12 августа сплав до Тресколье, изучение быта манси. Рыбалка на протяжении всего сплава.
13 августа сплав до Ушмы, поиски остатков избы на устье Ушминки из туристического отчёта 1958 года
14 августа днёвка в Ушме, поиски остатков избы на устье Ушминки из туристического отчёта 1958 года
15 августа сплав до 41 квартала, изучение территории
16 августа сплав до 55 квартала
17 августа сплав до устья р.Котлия
18 августа сплав до п.Вижай
19 августа переезд до Ивделя
20 августа прибытие в Екатеринбург
21, 22 августа поездом до Новокузнецка
(+две-три днёвки на плохую погоду во время сплава)
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Проект не коммерческий. Приглашаю всех желающих присоединиться на любой промежуток экспедиции. У каждого своё снаряжение, свои продукты и свой котелок для автономного питания. Есть возможность объединить процесс приготовления завтрака и ужина.
До Ивделя Ж/Д транспортом. Заброска и выброска на ГАЗ-66 (6-7 часов езды) до брода Ауспии стоит 3,0-3,5 тыс. рублей в один конец. Расчёт с водителем на месте.
Рейсы не каждый день. Нужно заранее выяснять и договариваться.
Или можно забронировать под себя всю машину за 22-25 тыс. рублей, куда помещается 10-11 человек с рюкзаками.
Желающие присоединиться, пишите. Все непонятные нюансы и подробности могу рассказать в личку, отвечу на вопросы
« Last Edit: May 18, 2023, 12:27:24 AM by Teddy »
If a mountain comes towards you, and you are not Mohammed, then it is a rockfall.
 

May 13, 2023, 08:43:39 PM
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The start of the expedition has shifted by 2 days. The transfer from Ivdel to Auspiya will take place on July 18. Participants are already buying train tickets by this date
If a mountain comes towards you, and you are not Mohammed, then it is a rockfall.
 

May 13, 2023, 08:45:23 PM
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I ask you to write your wishes to the expedition members about the experiments that need to be carried out.
If a mountain comes towards you, and you are not Mohammed, then it is a rockfall.
 

May 13, 2023, 10:57:36 PM
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I ask you to write your wishes to the expedition members about the experiments that need to be carried out.
1. in the summer, it is not correct to conduct experiments in accordance with Dyatlov's February campaign.
2. Your route is the same all the time, isn't it time to introduce something new?
3. Wishes: change the route, explore the territory of the military unit 6602 Ivdellaga. I assume that after the murder, the tourists were buried for some time on the territory of the Ivdellag. The killers may also have been vohrovtsy Ivdellaga. The search engines were the military of Ivdellag. Military unit 6602 existed in the 80s. You can explore these places.
 

May 14, 2023, 03:04:32 AM
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I ask you to write your wishes to the expedition members about the experiments that need to be carried out.

Because the Mansi were told not to use local streams, this maintained for years after the DPI, and all males bar one were said to be ill at home when the hikers died, and their deer had been dying off, I'd be interested in water samples being taken, particularly from the watercourse close to where the hikers made their labaz.

Ideally such samples should be taken in winter when the water flow reduces and the rivers are covered in ice and snow which blocks off light and may stagnate the water, but summer samples may act as a control.

I believe the hikers took a chance, pushed for time that morning making their labaz, collecting lots of firewood, and without a campfire to melt snow or boil water for hot drinks in their flasks, they filled up their flasks for the next 24hrs at altitude with unsterilised water, and later, sat eating and drinking in their part-erected tent, they suffered a poisoning, causing high fever and stomach cramps, and this saw them leave to find a freshwater ravine between two peaks, and possibly to take the tin of condensed milk found at the cedar with them, as water or milk are the medical antidotes in such circumstances.

At the foot of 1079 the group included people then too ill to return to the tent. The intention, on a still night (tent not fully supported/matches lit a fire) was never to remain away which is why they didn't take tools, so an ill-equipped battle for survival took place where they were. All injuries are explained by seizures, fluid around mouths, convulsions near a fire causing burns where two men already prone do not suffer fractures, biting into a tongue, and flail chests and head injuries through collapse without any attempt to break the fall (no broken collar bones or hand/wrist injury). A den was made to house 4 while 3 returned to the tent, but by the time it was completed the 4 had died or become unreponsive and their bodies were placed in the ravine, or they had been sheltered there while it was made.
My DPI approach - logic, probability and reason.
 
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May 14, 2023, 08:58:43 AM
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I ask you to write your wishes to the expedition members about the experiments that need to be carried out.

Because the Mansi were told not to use local streams, this maintained for years after the DPI, and all males bar one were said to be ill at home when the hikers died, and their deer had been dying off, I'd be interested in water samples being taken, particularly from the watercourse close to where the hikers made their labaz.

Ideally such samples should be taken in winter when the water flow reduces and the rivers are covered in ice and snow which blocks off light and may stagnate the water, but summer samples may act as a control.

I believe the hikers took a chance, pushed for time that morning making their labaz, collecting lots of firewood, and without a campfire to melt snow or boil water for hot drinks in their flasks, they filled up their flasks for the next 24hrs at altitude with unsterilised water, and later, sat eating and drinking in their part-erected tent, they suffered a poisoning, causing high fever and stomach cramps, and this saw them leave to find a freshwater ravine between two peaks, and possibly to take the tin of condensed milk found at the cedar with them, as water or milk are the medical antidotes in such circumstances.

At the foot of 1079 the group included people then too ill to return to the tent. The intention, on a still night (tent not fully supported/matches lit a fire) was never to remain away which is why they didn't take tools, so an ill-equipped battle for survival took place where they were. All injuries are explained by seizures, fluid around mouths, convulsions near a fire causing burns where two men already prone do not suffer fractures, biting into a tongue, and flail chests and head injuries through collapse without any attempt to break the fall (no broken collar bones or hand/wrist injury). A den was made to house 4 while 3 returned to the tent, but by the time it was completed the 4 had died or become unreponsive and their bodies were placed in the ravine, or they had been sheltered there while it was made.
All the upper reaches of the rivers and streams of the Northern Urals with crystal clear water, which is much cleaner than the water that flows from the tap in Russian cities. All tourists drink it without boiling. No one ever carries other water with them. We drink. And everyone who came there before us drinks. If we take the place of the storehouse, then in the summer of 1963, from the nearest source of water, a tributary of the Auspiya River, the Yakimenko tourist group stood there for several days and drank water. The searchers of 1959 drank the same water in winter. They drank for a long time .. No one takes water from the swamps They take cold water that flows
Все верховья рек и ручьёв Северного Урала с кристально-чистой водой, которая намного чище, чем та вода, которая течёт из крана в российских городах. Все туристы её пьют без кипячения. Другую воду с собой никто никогда не несёт.. Мы пьём. И пьют все, кто приходил туда до нас.. Если взять именно место лабаза, то летом 1963 года из ближайшего источника воды, притока реки Ауспия, туристическая группа Якименко стояли там несколько дней и пили воду. Поисковики 1959 года пили эту же воду зимой. Пили долгое время.. Из болот никто воду не берёт Берут холодную воду, которая течёт
If a mountain comes towards you, and you are not Mohammed, then it is a rockfall.
 

May 14, 2023, 10:43:43 PM
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3. Wishes: change the route, explore the territory of the military unit 6602 Ivdellaga.
I even admit that, for example, the remains of Kolevatov and Thibault (whose posthumous photos we have not seen because of, for example, obvious bullet wounds) may still rest in the Ivdel pit, and for witnesses, the remains of unknown people were laid out on the pass. The same thing could have happened to Luda Dubinina, who cannot be identified in a post-mortem photograph, and an unknown well-fed lady was found in the stream, whose face is not shown or photographed. Undoubtedly, there were many unmarked graves in Ivdellag.
 

May 17, 2023, 11:44:12 PM
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Changing the preliminary plan of the expedition
I ask the moderators to change the first post to a new one: Done [Teddy]

Expedition plan:
July 17 train from Yekaterinburg to Ivdel
Train:
From Ekb on July 17 (Monday) train No. 127 departing at 17.28 places, car 5.
Arrives in Ivdel on July 18 (Tue) at 02.51 local.
On July 18, transfer to the ford of Auspiya with Dmitry Pushin on gas-66 and crossing 10-12 km. up the river Auspiya.
On July 19, the transition to the parking lot of Yu.K. Kuntsevich
From July 20 to July 27, individual and joint expedition activities in the area from the Dyatlov Pass to Otorten.
July 27-28 or July 28 the main group of participants descends to the ford of Auspiya
On July 29, the main group of participants will be transported by car to the Ivdel railway station or bus station. In the evening boarding a train or bus to Yekaterinburg.
Train:
From Ivdel to Yekb on July 29 (Sat) train No. 128 departing at 22.14 places, car 4.
Arrives in Ekb July 30 (Sun) at 07.48 local.

The second part of the expedition
July 27 or 28 transition to GUKh
July 29, the transition to the place where Valery Anyamov found a piece-wafer of the rocket skin. Area radiation measurements. Looking for other pieces
July 30, 31, August 1,2,3 going through a temporary portal to another dimension and studying ancient artifacts, megaliths and caves. The search for secret huts of poachers of the USSR. Enjoy the unique remote mountainous nature of the Northern Urals. Crossings without trails for 5-6 km. per day with evening fishing for trophy grayling. We don’t take fish out of the portal, we only eat it exclusively.
On August 4, the transition to the hut on the Khozya River
August 5 day at Khozya's hut
On August 6, crossing towards the Mt. Halatchakhl
August 7, crossing to the Kuntsevich camp
August 8 crossing down the Auspiya
August 9, crossing to the ford of Auspiya, searching for the Mansi labaz

Third part of the expedition
On August 10, crossing to Lozva 5 km., Searching for the Mansi storage shed
August 11 rafting to 2 Northern. The search for the exact location of the former house where the Dyatlov group spent the night
August 12 rafting to Treskolie, studying the life of the Mansi. Fishing throughout the rafting.
August 13 rafting to Ushma, search for the remains of a hut at the mouth of Ushminka from a tourist report of 1958
August 14 day in Ushma, search for the remains of a hut at the mouth of the Ushminka from a tourist report of 1958
August 15 rafting up to 41 quarters, exploring the territory
August 16 rafting to the 55 quarter
August 17 rafting to the mouth of the river Kotlia
August 18 rafting to Vizhay
August 19 moving to Ivdel
August 20 arrival in Yekaterinburg
August 21, 22 by train to Novokuznetsk
(+ two or three days for bad weather during the rafting)
=============
The project is not commercial. I invite everyone to join for any period of the expedition. Everyone has their own equipment, their own products and their own pot for autonomous food. It is possible to combine the process of preparing breakfast and dinner.
To Ivdel by railway transport. Pick-up and drop-off on a GAZ-66 (6-7 hours drive) to the ford of Auspiya costs 3.0-3.5 thousand rubles one way. Calculation with the driver on the spot.
Flights are not every day. You need to find out and agree in advance.
Or you can book the whole car for yourself for 22-25 thousand rubles, where 10-11 people with backpacks fit.
Those wishing to join, write. I can tell you all the incomprehensible nuances and details in a personal, I will answer questions.



Изменение предварительного плана экспедиции
Прошу модераторов изменить первый пост на новый: Done [Teddy]

Предварительный план экспедиции:
17 июля поезд из Екатеринбурга до Ивделя
Поезд:
Из Екб на 17 июля (пн) поезд № 127 отправлением в 17.28 мест, вагон 5.
Прибывает в Ивдель 18 июля (вт) в 02.51 местного.
18 июля заброска на брод Ауспии с Дмитрием Пушиным на газ-66 и переход 10-12 км. вверх по реке Ауспия.
19 июля переход до стоянки Ю.К.Кунцевича
С 20 по 27 июля индивидуальные и совместные мероприятия экспедиции в районе от перевала Дятлова до Отортена.
27-28 июля или 28 июля основная группа участников спускается до брода Ауспии
29 июля основная группа участников выбрасывается на машине до Ж\Д вокзала Ивделя или автовокзала. Вечером посадка в поезд или автобус до Екатеринбурга.
Поезд:
Из Ивделя в Екб на 29 июля (сб) поезд №128 отправлением в 22.14 мест, вагон 4.
Прибывает в Екб 30 июля (вс) в 07.48 местного.

Вторая часть экспедиции
27 или 28 июля переход на ГУХ
29 июля переход до места, где Валерием Анямовым был найден кусок-вафля обшивки ракеты. Замеры радиации местности. Поиски других кусков
30, 31 июля, 1,2,3 августа переход через временной портал в другое измерение и изучение древних артефактов, мегалитов и пещер. Поиски тайных изб браконьеров СССР. Наслаждение уникальной труднодоступной горной природой Северного Урала. Переходы без троп по 5-6 км. в день с вечерней рыбалкой на трофейного хариуса. Рыбу из портала не выносим, ей исключительно только питаемся.
4 августа переход до избы на реке Хозья
5 августа днёвка на избе Хозья
6 августа переход в сторону г.Халатчахль
7 августа переход до стоянки Кунцевича
8 августа переход вниз по Ауспии
9 августа переход до брода Ауспии, поиски мансийского лабаза

Третья часть экспедиции
10 августа переход до Лозьвы 5км., поиски мансийского лабаза
11 августа сплав до 2 Северного. Поиски точного место бывшего дома, в котором ночевала группа Дятлова
12 августа сплав до Тресколье, изучение быта манси. Рыбалка на протяжении всего сплава.
13 августа сплав до Ушмы, поиски остатков избы на устье Ушминки из туристического отчёта 1958 года
14 августа днёвка в Ушме, поиски остатков избы на устье Ушминки из туристического отчёта 1958 года
15 августа сплав до 41 квартала, изучение территории
16 августа сплав до 55 квартала
17 августа сплав до устья р.Котлия
18 августа сплав до п.Вижай
19 августа переезд до Ивделя
20 августа прибытие в Екатеринбург
21, 22 августа поездом до Новокузнецка
(+две-три днёвки на плохую погоду во время сплава)
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Проект не коммерческий. Приглашаю всех желающих присоединиться на любой промежуток экспедиции. У каждого своё снаряжение, свои продукты и свой котелок для автономного питания. Есть возможность объединить процесс приготовления завтрака и ужина.
До Ивделя Ж/Д транспортом. Заброска и выброска на ГАЗ-66 (6-7 часов езды) до брода Ауспии стоит 3,0-3,5 тыс. рублей в один конец. Расчёт с водителем на месте.
Рейсы не каждый день. Нужно заранее выяснять и договариваться.
Или можно забронировать под себя всю машину за 22-25 тыс. рублей, куда помещается 10-11 человек с рюкзаками.
Желающие присоединиться, пишите. Все непонятные нюансы и подробности могу рассказать в личку, отвечу на вопросы
« Last Edit: May 18, 2023, 12:29:04 AM by Teddy »
If a mountain comes towards you, and you are not Mohammed, then it is a rockfall.
 

May 17, 2023, 11:45:58 PM
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So far the Expedition consists of 7:
A. Alekseenkov, Sh. Sabirov, A. Konstantinov, Teodora, Irina Voronina and Olga and me. There are still 3-4 places in the GAZ-66 that will give us a lift.

Уже семь участников Экспедиции
А.Алексеенков, Ш.Сабиров, А.Константинов, Теодора, Ирина Воронина и мы с Ольгой. Осталось 3-4 места в ГАЗ-66 на заброску.
« Last Edit: May 18, 2023, 12:33:53 AM by Teddy »
If a mountain comes towards you, and you are not Mohammed, then it is a rockfall.
 

May 18, 2023, 09:30:31 AM
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July 30, 31, August 1,2,3 going through a temporary portal to another dimension and studying ancient artifacts, megaliths and caves. The search for secret huts of poachers of the USSR. Enjoy the unique remote mountainous nature of the Northern Urals. Crossings without trails for 5-6 km. per day with evening fishing for trophy grayling. We don’t take fish out of the portal, we only eat it exclusively.
Gotta love Google translate  lol2


 

May 18, 2023, 10:34:51 AM
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Actually this time Google is pretty close to what Oleg is saying. It sounds this weird in Russian too. Can't wait and see. I am going.
 
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May 21, 2023, 10:08:10 AM
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This is not spam. I suggested Oleg to take an experienced and fearless hiker to the vacant place.  I wanted to delete an extra photo, but there is no "edit" function on the forum.

I was hoping that Oleg would thank me that I had found a worthy candidate for an empty seat.

finally, the "edit" function appeared.

I think you should go, Anna.

"This is intrepid Anna reporting from Dyatlov Pass via satellite/Android. Today we find smoking gun. Oleg's metal detector has dug up KGB-issue pistol, circa 1958!"
My DPI approach - logic, probability and reason.
 

May 30, 2023, 10:13:30 PM
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Expedition 2023 already has ten participants
В экспедиции 2023 уже десять участников
If a mountain comes towards you, and you are not Mohammed, then it is a rockfall.
 

May 30, 2023, 10:27:07 PM
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For me, in this expedition, the most important task is to search for and examine this iron pipe, which was found in 2008 by Yuri Yudin and Leonid Rokotyan.
Для меня в этой экспедиции важнейшей задачей является поиск и обследование вот этой железной трубы, которая была найдена в 2008 году Юрием Юдиным и Леонидом Рокотяном.

Is there carbon deposits inside the pipe? Was the pipe used for the stove in the tent of the searchers and why was it thrown away?
Or is it a drilling casing that belonged to geologists?
This pipe was found 150-200 meters below the ravine and flooring, on the 4th right tributary of the Lozva, not far from the four bodies.
Есть ли нагар внутри трубы? Применялась ли труба для печи в палатке поисковиков и почему её выкинули?
Или это обсадная труба для бурения, которая принадлежала геологам?
Эта труба была найдена на 150-200 метров ниже оврага и настила, на 4 правом притоке Лозьвы, совсем недалеко от четвёрки тел.
On the expedition of 2022, we met a hermit who lives 70 kilometers west of Mount Halatchakhl. He assured us that in the region of Mount Otorten, under the USSR, tests were carried out for charges for underground nuclear explosions.
For such explosions, wells are drilled and a nuclear charge is lowered underground through a casing pipe.
I talked about this in more detail in this video:
В экспедиции 2022 года мы встретили отшельника, который живёт в 70 километрах к западу от горы Халатчахль. Он нас уверял, что в районе горы Отортен при СССР проводились испытание зарядов для подземных ядерных взрывов.
Для подобных взрывов бурятся скважины и по обсадной трубе под землю опускается ядерный заряд.
Более подробно об этом я рассказал в этом видео:
https://youtu.be/0iNgULeEomQ?t=2123
If a mountain comes towards you, and you are not Mohammed, then it is a rockfall.
 
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May 31, 2023, 12:33:19 AM
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May 31, 2023, 08:34:17 AM
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And was it carefully lowered down from a helicopter to a work zone, or dropped from the sky...

1:47 to 1:51 in this Youtube clip:


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May 31, 2023, 08:51:42 AM
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May 31, 2023, 12:54:17 PM
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There were no signs of a nuclear explosion:
1. all the trees are intact, the search engines did not notice the massive fallen trees.
2. The tent is intact, it was cut by M. Sharavin.
3. The bodies are whole, not torn to pieces.
4. Animals were not lying dead everywhere. In M . Askinazi told how they caught non-frightened quails with their own hands.
5. The search engines reported that there were no signs of a military training ground on the pass, no scattered iron.
6. The Sports Commission let the tourists through without any problems.
 

June 02, 2023, 11:12:48 AM
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2. The tent is intact, it was cut by M. Sharavin.
Certainly not from the inside.

Anna, you say it was cut by Sharavin. It might well have had more cuts from outside.

 But they found some of the cuts showed attempts from the inside.

Teddy is responding that Sharavin certainly did not cut the tent from the inside.

There is nothing strange here. The cuts from the inside do not fit into Annushka's version. Therefore, she does not notice them and ignores them. All researchers do the same thing - they manipulate the facts to fit their versions and do not notice the facts that contradict these versions. That is why the tragedy has not yet been solved
If a mountain comes towards you, and you are not Mohammed, then it is a rockfall.
 

June 03, 2023, 07:21:40 AM
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There is nothing strange here................
The liquidators, having completed the task, ....................
That's what it says in my book.  There is not a single known fact that does not fit into my version.

« There is nothing strange here » :

The tree contract killers having completed the task (2 February, 7 AM) rested in the tent, which was still intact. Then they feasted on some of the good food left by the hikers. (It has to be said that the three murderers had not eaten much since leaving North-2).

In accordance with their mission, they had just left very visible traces of their action on the bodies of Zolotariov and Dubinina.

Now (2 February 1959, 1 PM) they had also to leave evidence of their presence on the hikers' equipment: a few random stabs in the tent canvas were all that was needed ! (they mistakenly thought).

« That's what it says in my TOK theory.  There is not a single known fact that does not fit into my TOK version. »
Jean Daniel Reuss

Rational guidance =

• There is nothing supernatural and mysterious about the injuries suffered by the Dyatlov group. They are all consistent with an attack by a group of professional killers who wanted to take the lives of the nine  [Per Inge Oestmoen].

• Now let us search for answers to: WHO ? WHY ? HOW ?

• The scenario must be consistent with the historical, political and psychological  contexts.

• The solution takes in consideration all known findings.
 

August 14, 2023, 11:51:45 PM
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I am loading photos from this expedition here, but I am not done yet, the way I have grouped the photos the last batch will be published August 18, Friday → https://dyatlovpass.com/expedition-2023
After that Oleg Taymen will take over with a full documentary. Olga and Oleg Taymen stayed in the mountains till August 13. I still haven't heard from them, but their road back home is couple of days.
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August 16, 2023, 06:35:29 AM
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Teddy,

I have been following your photos and narrative of the 2023 expedition very closely and with keen interest. It is wonderful that your group is doing this and I truly hope you can go back again next year. 

Shura's reconstruction with the plastic cut-outs at the creek is intriguing. It changes what I had pictured in my mind to see where the den was, in relation to the bodies. Does Shura have a theory, or a favorite theory?

It is frightening to hear about you getting lost and encountering a bear with cubs. How did you get away?
 

August 16, 2023, 07:32:34 AM
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I am going to write about Shura's theory and what was the experiment with the "mannequins" about tomorrow. I heard it when we met with Karelin and Shura told him how his believes changed. I was dumbfounded.

About the bear - it is a story that I will tell when I am ready, still processing. Sometimes I have the feeling that the bear ate me and all this is a dream. I feel weird. I have always been very healthy and now my blood panel looks like I need new heart and liver. I am all over the chart. Doctors say this can't be and that I need another test.
So if I live I will tell the story, give me a little time. Soon.
I am still afraid7  https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9k-zv_RXFHE?feature=share

Oleg and Olga Taymen checked in. They are back home.
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August 16, 2023, 08:20:28 AM
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Now I am more anxious than ever. I will try to be patient.
 thanky1
 
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August 17, 2023, 12:21:35 AM
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So if I live I will tell the story, give me a little time. Soon.
Тедди, желаем скорого выздоровления. Ждем рассказа о вашем походе и находках. Меня особенно интересуют находки, связанные с военными (которые могли быть ликвидаторами группы и о которых говорил Хамза Сюникаев).

Teddy, we wish you a speedy recovery. We are waiting for a story about your journey and discoveries. I am particularly interested in finds related to the military (which could have been liquidators of tourists and which Hamza Syunikaev spoke about).
 

August 17, 2023, 08:35:41 AM
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Does Shura have a theory, or a favorite theory?

I dug up Shura's theory from 2012 but it is now quite different. The hikers in the den died from the snow accumulation that collapsed on top of them, everything is different. I won't take the initiative to explain it before he does.
You can watch the videos, they are very interesting:





 
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August 17, 2023, 08:36:45 AM
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I am going to write about Shura's theory and what was the experiment with the "mannequins" about tomorrow. I heard it when we met with Karelin and Shura told him how his believes changed. I was dumbfounded.

About the bear - it is a story that I will tell when I am ready, still processing. Sometimes I have the feeling that the bear ate me and all this is a dream. I feel weird. I have always been very healthy and now my blood panel looks like I need new heart and liver. I am all over the chart. Doctors say this can't be and that I need another test.
So if I live I will tell the story, give me a little time. Soon.
I am still afraid7  https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9k-zv_RXFHE?feature=share

Oleg and Olga Taymen checked in. They are back home.

Sending you best wishes Teddy. You are always emotionally engaged in the DPI, one of the mystery's biggest obsessives, take time to rest and recover, it's been 64 years, solving things can wait a little longer.
My DPI approach - logic, probability and reason.
 

August 17, 2023, 08:50:52 AM
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Sending you best wishes Teddy. You are always emotionally engaged in the DPI, one of the mystery's biggest obsessives, take time to rest and recover, it's been 64 years, solving things can wait a little longer.

My heartfelt thanks! But it is only the Bear I am not ready to talk about.
 

August 18, 2023, 02:27:33 AM
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I want to ask about a new monument
erected 2 years ago.
Is it still present or absent?
 

August 18, 2023, 03:05:04 AM
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I want to ask about a new monument
erected 2 years ago.
Is it still present or absent?