Theories Discussion > Avalanche
You want avalanches? Here we go
sarapuk:
--- Quote from: RidgeWatcher on May 24, 2020, 07:44:47 PM ---Hello Sparrow,
I remember pinpointing Kholat Syakhl the hard way using early google earth, the resolutions were terrible but in those days you could pinpoint and stand apon any mountain in the Urals (or anywhere) for free. I followed the Dyatlov hikers diaries and calculated distances. Manpupunar was found this way also, a group of the most beautiful rocks you will ever see. Then I bought a Rand-McNally 1962 World Atlas in a thrift store for two dollars. I was stunned to see that it had far more detail and clarity in even the smaller creeks and streams. I remember questioning how this could be and then someone told me that the Rand-McNally was mapped at the hight of the Cold War when there were a lot of U.S. spy planes, mapping and collecting data on Russia and Siberia. The U.S. was spying and wanted to know what was being manufactured in the factories and gulags besides mining and forestry. U.S. pilot Frances Gary Powers was shot down near Sverdlovsk the is how much spying was being performed at the time by the C.I.A. trying to fully map the infrastructure.
I think I have read, maybe here, that the Dyatlov Hikers were supposed to go one more snow canyon to the north and then turn left (west), and bypass Kholat Syakhl completely. If anyone has information on that please let me know. If this is true they would never have had to hike up and over Dyatlov Pass at all.
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Hello Ridgewatcher. I enjoy reading your insights. This question of the exact Route that the Dyatlov Group were supposed to take as cropped up before but I dont recall any firm conclusion at all. So there appears to be room to manoeuvre. In fact thats probably what the Dyatlov Group planned anyway. As you must know when going on any type of hike or expedition you have to have a flexible plan to deal with any eventualities that crop up. So it seems very unusual that they would leave the protection of the Tree Zone to go out into an open and exposed Hillside in such weather conditions. Basically diverting from a more protected Route ! ?
RidgeWatcher:
Sarapuk,
Thank you for the answer. I just noticed today that you responded to my question. I enjoy your replies and knowledge and logic just as much. I did not know their plan was maneuverable.
Do you have any determination regarding, if the attackers came from the southeast "cache" side or from the northeast tree line side. I just don't have enough information to decide. They had past Mansi signs, a recent hunter's tracks and an unknown man in the woods. Could the attackers have been from the north tree line? Someone on this site theorized that the dug den my have been pre-built for the Dyatlov ski tourists.I find this plausible.
sarapuk:
--- Quote from: RidgeWatcher on June 09, 2020, 12:09:02 PM ---Sarapuk,
Thank you for the answer. I just noticed today that you responded to my question. I enjoy your replies and knowledge and logic just as much. I did not know their plan was maneuverable.
Do you have any determination regarding, if the attackers came from the southeast "cache" side or from the northeast tree line side. I just don't have enough information to decide. They had past Mansi signs, a recent hunter's tracks and an unknown man in the woods. Could the attackers have been from the north tree line? Someone on this site theorized that the dug den my have been pre-built for the Dyatlov ski tourists.I find this plausible.
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Well thats a big question. Were they ATTACKED ! ? And if so HOW were they attacked ! ? If someone or something was following them up the Valley then I guess they may be thinking to get away from the Valley Treeline and pitch their Tent well out in the open.
bookworms33:
--- Quote from: Tim on January 24, 2020, 10:25:24 AM --- Here me out, The avalanche theory has been totally contaminated by the disregard of the two photos which show clearly the exterior snowscape at the top of the wall is higher the the interior finished floor of the tent at the time the photo was taken. which is a faulty grade. In a rainy senecio the tent would probably flood or at least take on some water. Here is what I propose happened which has never been offered up before. The one taking the photo who is on a higher elevation yells to the team member who looks up. If it were an emergency there would be no photo as everyone would be pitching in to get the tent ready. After the tent is set up a few team members went in side to prepare for the evening while the others are secure the tent and are packing the snow on and around the tent. Mountaineering 101, build a snow wall to protect the tent and its occupants. But by compacting the snow in these conditions is a fatal mistake which causes the surface to freeze. This would be ok but the men are not satisfied with the height of the wall because the winds are really picking up, so they take their skis and pull down as much snow as they can to build a higher wall and then compact that...What they could not know is the new snow they brought down is now free standing on is own. But as soon as the winds reach gale force and now aided by gravity, a section of the wall slams into and onto the hikers and Zina takes a direct hit on her side. Because they are stunned and cannot move lateral to the entrance they cut themselves out which can been seen in the tent cuts. Humans cut horizontal and vertical, these appear to be done from on their sides. Once they are out and now are at deaths door step, the other section of the wall slides onto the tent covering up there gear. They try with their hands and even break a ski pole but they are not at the beach and the elements are starting to take its tole on their hands. They come to a decision very quickly to move as fast as they can to the forest and start a fire. The two Yuri’s sprint ahead to start a fire and the team can only move as fast as they can in gale force winds. But they do reach it quicker than one would expect or they would of died on the slopes. The theory satisfies why they left without their gear..Lastly Only a gale force wind can uncover raised foot prints and also the time it takes to blow away critical snow and the previous elevation from on and around the tent. Note: Even if they were able to retrieve their gear by the time they find what’s what and how do we fix the tent with frozen hands. It was logical to gamble at the forest with a fire and reassess things in the morning. Their are chunks of measurable snow on the tent with shadows....
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I think this is the most likely scenario. Moses Akselrod's theory supports this, except that he uses the word "avalanche". A localized wall collapse seems like it could still do that sort of damage, though. My primary question is: could someone with flail chest injuries (such as those suffered by Dubinina) possibly be capable of hiking a mile down hill afterwards? Teddy might be able to answer this. :)
(I'm new here, but I've been reading this forum for a while now. Hello everyone.) thanky1
Georgi:
--- Quote from: bookworms33 on June 19, 2020, 04:21:47 AM ---I think this is the most likely scenario. Moses Akselrod's theory supports this, except that he uses the word "avalanche". A localized wall collapse seems like it could still do that sort of damage, though. My primary question is: could someone with flail chest injuries (such as those suffered by Dubinina) possibly be capable of hiking a mile down hill afterwards? Teddy might be able to answer this. :)
(I'm new here, but I've been reading this forum for a while now. Hello everyone.) thanky1
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Not likely that Dubina received the injuries at the tent area, she would have had to walk 1,600m in the dark and cold through snow with a puncture to the heart. She also had clothes from one of the men under the tree as well as burns on her clothes from the fire so she would have had to survive for at least a few hours of hard exertion post injury. Whatever the reason is that forced them out, I don't think any of the serious injuries would happened at the tent or those individuals would have succumbed to their injuries on the way to the tree rather than survive for hours after the injury.
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