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Nigel Evans:

* So experienced alpine hikers ran from an avalanche down the fall line instead of traversing sideways. Surely if an avalanche could make enough noise, it would leave a rubble field to be identified 4 weeks later?
* Two well dressed members with a flashlight didn't return to collect clothing, although extreme cold was now the enemy.
* The curious and different injuries to Zinaida, Igor, Rustem are simply dismissed with - "Dyatlov, Slobodin and Kolmogorova, one after another, began to climb back along the slope, but due to overcooling the felt helpless and fell to the ground.". Rustem suffered head trauma and internal bleeding? Zinaida's face is reported in the autopsy as abrasions but the morgue photos challenge this (imo)?
* Tent found covered in firn snow.
* No explanation is offered for YuriK's leg.
* The overall lack of frostbite in extreme cold is ignored.
* The ravine 4's injuries were due to a fall of 3m!!
* Footsteps in wet snow - ignored.
* Reports of orange snow - ignored.
* Purple glow on clothing - ignored.
* Two bodies were stripped of clothing but a number of burnt pieces of clothing were discarded - ignored.
* Nicolai found with his gloves in his pocket - ignored.
* Strange photos - ignored.
* Strange but similar marks on Igor, YuriK and possibly YuriD - ignored.
* Okishev's and Ivanov's statement that they were ordered to front a coverup and cooperate with confiscation of evidence - ignored.
* Case shutdown on discovery of last bodies and a request for a summer site inspection refused - ignored.Not exactly a comprehensive explanation of the evidence!

MDGross:
Yesterday, in the offices of Komsomolskaya Pravda, members of the committee that in 2018 investigated the Dyatlov tragedy detailed their conclusion. Since the investigation only considered three scenarios - avalanche, snow slab and hurricane - it's not surprising that they concluded that an avalanche was the cause. It seems that Zolotaryov, who was standing outside the tent with Thibeaux-Brignolle, heard the characteristic sounds of an avalanche beginning above the tent and alerted the others in the tent. The nine hikers made their way down to the forest, where Doroshenko, Krivonischenko, Dyatlov, Slobodin and Kolmogorova died from hypothermia. Zolotaryov, Dubinina, Thibeaux-Brignolle and Kolevatov scooped out a snow den, but in doing so caused part of the floor to collapse and caused the four to fall into the ravine. Could the tragedy unfold in this way? Of course. Did it happen this way? Who knows, the findings of the committee raise as many questions as they tried to answer.
The committee did present declassified data of the Ministry of Defense that did confirm that a missile launch occurred on Feb. 2, but that the missile flew in the opposite direction of the hikers, crashing in Kazakhstan.

WAB:

--- Quote from: Teddy on July 12, 2020, 12:36:51 AM ---At WAB, this is very interesting, thank you. I had to look up what does "wedding general" mean, it means VIP.

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"Свадебный генерал = Wedding General" it is the kind of person who's invited to the event  decorate the event itself. So to some extent it is VIP, but only as impressive image.


--- Quote from: Teddy on July 12, 2020, 12:36:51 AM ---
--- Quote from: RidgeWatcher on July 11, 2020, 11:46:39 PM ---What I found shocking, because I had never read or heard about is this:
Andrey Kuryakov: "Why the foresters Pashin and Cheglakov, having found Dyatlov tent two days before the search party didn't report it?".
Who were Pashin and Cheglakov and why would they be climbing Dyatlove Pass in February? If they were sawyers, why would they need to go above the tree lines and up the side of Kholat Syakhl?

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This is old news https://dyatlovpass.com/when-was-the-tent-found
When Cheglakov and Pashin found the tent they were already recruited to actively look for the missing group. The only mystery is why didn't they report their finding.

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It's not mystery, it's journalist's desire inflate fake sensation. It's traditional trick for them. The more they write any nonsense, the more money they'll get.

WAB:

--- Quote from: RidgeWatcher on July 11, 2020, 11:46:39 PM ---Thank you Teddy and WAB,

This was somewhat interesting but I still believe that Russians from Sverdlovsk would be able to adequately gauge the avalanche probability, even on 25 degrees in a storm.

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The Russians can do lot of things. Of course, this case will someday be revealed, but not in a fake way that is now used.
There's no 25 degrees in the place where the tent was. We measured it in both 2014 and 2019. There's slope of 16...17 degrees everywhere. In small areas (about 5 m) sometimes the angle reaches 20 degrees, but these are local areas in 2 or 3 places separately.
No one in the checking group made any measurements, and the properties of snow did not conduct the full program, in contrast to what we did. Therefore, the possibility of an avalanche (or any snow movement) can only be considered hypothetically.


--- Quote from: RidgeWatcher on July 11, 2020, 11:46:39 PM ---What I found shocking, because I had never read or heard about is this:

Andrey Kuryakov: "Why the foresters Pashin and Cheglakov, having found Dyatlov tent two days before the search party didn't report it?".
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Don't pay attention to this article, it's fake.
2 days before Sharavin and Slobtsov found the tent, Pashin and Cheglakov were in his (Boris Slobtsov was the leader of the group) group together with all the others and did not go far away. They were constantly seen by all the other group members. It takes almost 2 days for the whole group (11 people) reach the tent from the place the journalists are thinking about.  This is exactly as long as the whole group needs go there. And they had to go back and move on with the group.
Or are you a supporter of alien tragression?
There are no miracles in nature, and what illiterate journalists write (about the movement and possibilities of people) does not exist in life.
In addition, this is understandable because everyone in the group, who said something about this search, claimed that Pashin and Cheglakov were very badly oriented on the ground in the place where they landed from the helicopter.
They did not report it just because they found nothing. There was nothing to report.


--- Quote from: RidgeWatcher on July 11, 2020, 11:46:39 PM ---Who were Pashin and Cheglakov and why would they be climbing Dyatlove Pass in February?

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Pashin was forester in the village Vizhai (80 km from that place), Cheglakov was the head of the fire brigade. They were both hunters, but there were no hunters in the upper reaches of the Lozva River and the Auspia River. It is very far from Vizhay, and much closer there are places for hunting, which are no worse than the place where they were disembarked from the helicopter.
Only Pashin, together with Sharavin and Slobtsov, rose to the pass. Since he was 30 years older than these two young men, he was constantly tired, so he stayed by the stone on the pass, and the other two went further and found a tent.
Here, the simple logic of events disproves what the journalists have inflated in an empty place.

Teddy:
Ok, WAB, I really don't need more weirdness that it is necessary. No aliens, no teleportation.

@ RidgeWatcher: Kuryakov didn't say this. This questions is from the authors of the article.

FROM THE AUTHORS
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In the meantime, these questions remained open:
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    Why the foresters Pashin and Cheglakov, having found Dyatlov tent two days before the search party didn't report it?

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