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Theories Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Dona on March 29, 2021, 03:44:23 PM

Title: Simon was face down when injured..
Post by: Dona on March 29, 2021, 03:44:23 PM
I just saw this picture.. says his scapula was broken in three places...  on the same side as rib fractures.. He had to be face down..

 Sorry but, this eliminates the snow crushing him.. at least where he was found.


(https://i.ibb.co/VxZW6R7/scapula.png) (https://ibb.co/dtq0ZFd)
Title: Re: Simon was face down when injured..
Post by: Dona on March 29, 2021, 03:55:14 PM
This is a localized injury.. They all are...  It means they were attacked.. or a tree fell on them..something like that. They all have a single injury.. Cant be the snow..they would have multiple injuries..
Title: Re: Simon was face down when injured..
Post by: Ziljoe on March 29, 2021, 03:58:33 PM
Why face down? Why attacked?

I am all ears x
Title: Re: Simon was face down when injured..
Post by: Dona on March 29, 2021, 04:10:48 PM
Because his scapula is broken.. Thats a thick bone..The injury had to come from that side..The pressure would have just crushed more ribs etc if from the front or side..The scapula took the  largest force..
Title: Re: Simon was face down when injured..
Post by: Dona on March 29, 2021, 04:11:50 PM
He was found on his side.
Title: Re: Simon was face down when injured..
Post by: Dona on March 29, 2021, 04:12:56 PM
I cant see where you could break his scapula from the side..

So now the question is.. Why is he face down in the snow PRIOR to injury?
Title: Re: Simon was face down when injured..
Post by: Ziljoe on March 29, 2021, 04:31:15 PM
I cant see where you could break his scapula from the side..

So now the question is.. Why is he face down in the snow PRIOR to injury?

He's lying on his side, on hard ground. A couple of tons of snow fall on him. What's not to break?
Title: Re: Simon was face down when injured..
Post by: Dona on March 29, 2021, 04:32:34 PM
Thats kind of the point. They should  all have multiple injuries..
Title: Re: Simon was face down when injured..
Post by: Dona on March 29, 2021, 04:40:49 PM
If the blow came fro the left it would have broken his left clavicle or shoulder..not his right.

His injury is from back to front..not left to right.
Title: Re: Simon was face down when injured..
Post by: marieuk on March 29, 2021, 05:29:36 PM
Do you think it was one event that caused all the fractures?
Title: Re: Simon was face down when injured..
Post by: Dona on March 29, 2021, 05:31:43 PM
I dont know yet.. but, personally.. I think they were attacked..in the woods, Is that one event? I'd say so
Title: Re: Simon was face down when injured..
Post by: Игорь Б. on March 29, 2021, 05:42:45 PM
About the fractures of Zolotarev's scapula:
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=86124
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=86651
Title: Re: Simon was face down when injured..
Post by: Dona on March 29, 2021, 05:54:48 PM
"...he still could not answer the question of what exactly led to fractures of the ribs,"
Title: Re: Simon was face down when injured..
Post by: Dona on March 29, 2021, 06:03:50 PM
Jon Benet Ramsey  had a skull fracture without an external injuries too.. Like this, they didnt know about it till autopsy.. They think she was ht in the head with a  metal flashlight. So..
Title: Re: Simon was face down when injured..
Post by: Investigator on March 29, 2021, 08:39:47 PM
Thats kind of the point. They should  all have multiple injuries..

That's just not the way these incidents work in reality.  There are always things that seem inconsistent but can be explained if enough resources (including reconstructions) are done, but the investigators have to possess an imagination, for example, it may be that one or two of the "ravine 4" were being carried when then fell onto the rocky creek, though I don't think this is necessary, since there were plenty of possible injuries that could have occurred even before they even started back to the "den" and until a good reconstruction is done, it's all speculative.  Therefore, a good investigator tries to put forth the most reasonable hypothesis.  Then it needs to be tested.
Title: Re: Simon was face down when injured..
Post by: Dona on March 30, 2021, 07:11:21 AM
A )Actually, this IS how it works.. Otherwise you would just have to  wait for a confession..


B) You dont have enough facts or evidence in this case to even set up a recreation.