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Murder Indead
sarapuk:
--- Quote from: gildar on September 09, 2019, 09:50:46 AM ---The group spent the night at a cedar and there was killed. Someone came in the morning and attacked the tent. Wanted to intimidate and that the take from. Tourists fled. Krivonischenko climbed up a cedar. Doroshenko did not have time. He was accidentally killed. Leaned in and he couldn't breathe. Then fell with cedar Krivonischenko. Die too. That settled it. The rest were killed as witnesses.More details can be found on my video. It's subtitled.
Also on the channel a lot of videos explaining my conclusions and answering many questions. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnbics7Bd6yjjt4jJ5DJioQ?view_as=subscriber
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Its an interesting proposition re the potential Camp at the Cedar Tree. I have thought that that may be a possibility, ie, that the Dyatlov Group or some of them Camped at the Cedar Tree purposely. But I just can not bring Myself to believe that all of the Dyatlov Group were killed deliberately by other people.
Per Inge Oestmoen:
--- Quote from: sarapuk on September 07, 2019, 06:04:14 PM ---
--- Quote from: Per Inge Oestmoen on September 06, 2019, 03:24:13 AM ---
It is difficult to avoid inclining towards the theory that nine members of the Dyatlov group were all killed, meticulously and in cold blood by people who were on a mission and knew what they were doing.
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None of this proves anything. Why would anyone risk their own lives in such extreme weather conditions in a remote part of the Urals to murder the Dyatlov Group. And why would the so called murderers allow the Dyatlov Group to separate. And the injuries to Dubinina could not have been caused by another Human.
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1. The evidence is to be found in the bodies. Dubinina is a clear example of that. Dubinina's injuries could not merely be caused by a human, her injuries could realistically only be caused by other humans. These injuries could not be caused by a fall, and they could not be caused by a non-existent avalanche. Moreover, the combined injuries of Dubinina and the other three who were the last to die do not show the pattern of injuries caused by any kind of natural disaster.
2. There is no reason to assume that the murderers put their own lives in any form of hazard. Throughout history, killing squads have been sent out to kill people on purpose, and such trained killers on a mission have both the physical ability and the resources to achieve their purpose. The only reason to kill the Dyatlov group was that someone had decided that the nine students were at the wrong place at the wrong time, and the decision to kill them may therefore have been a preventive measure to ensure that no one of them could ever tell anyone what they had observed. There is also the possibility that local people committed the act because they were offended by the presence of these tourists - but it would seem far less probable albeit not entirely impossible. Further; there is evidence that the government authorities knew about the death of the Dyatlov group already in the first days of February, that is long before anyone in Sverdlovsk or Ivdel had any suspicion that the nine students were missing. The government also evidently wanted and forced the conclusion that the tragedy was caused by natural causes and the "mistakes of Igor Dyatlov," which is a conclusion that is contrary to available evidence. On top of all this, when the local police wanted to investigate more deeply, the investigation was stopped - by the central authorities in Moscow. That is very significant.
3. The killers would have made sure that the Dyatlov group were insufficiently dressed for the winter, and here we have rather compelling evidence: The nine left their tent without proper clothing and walked one mile away without winter mittens, and everyone who knows the principles of survival in the cold is aware that such an action in the cold means certain death. The only exception was one man who had valenki on his feet, which may be explained by his being outside of the tent at the moment of attack. These nine, intelligent students would never leave their tent without winter clothing and mittens unless they were forced to. Since there were evidently no avalanches or natural disasters that could have forced them out from the tent and made them flee far away, that leaves us with other humans as the force that attacked them. The men who attacked the Dyatlov group knew that the students had no chance of escaping without proper winter gear and on their feet in the cold. However, the weather was relatively mild that evening of February 1, 1959. That explains how their nine victims did not perish as the killers had expected, and every injury found on the nine is consistent with them being killed after having been hunted down by their murderers.
Yes, the nine students were all killed deliberately, and the perpetrators were and could only have been human attackers.
Star man:
--- Quote from: Per Inge Oestmoen on September 29, 2019, 04:08:04 AM ---
--- Quote from: sarapuk on September 07, 2019, 06:04:14 PM ---
--- Quote from: Per Inge Oestmoen on September 06, 2019, 03:24:13 AM ---
It is difficult to avoid inclining towards the theory that nine members of the Dyatlov group were all killed, meticulously and in cold blood by people who were on a mission and knew what they were doing.
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None of this proves anything. Why would anyone risk their own lives in such extreme weather conditions in a remote part of the Urals to murder the Dyatlov Group. And why would the so called murderers allow the Dyatlov Group to separate. And the injuries to Dubinina could not have been caused by another Human.
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1. The evidence is to be found in the bodies. Dubinina is a clear example of that. Dubinina's injuries could not merely be caused by a human, her injuries could realistically only be caused by other humans. These injuries could not be caused by a fall, and they could not be caused by a non-existent avalanche. Moreover, the combined injuries of Dubinina and the other three who were the last to die do not show the pattern of injuries caused by any kind of natural disaster.
2. There is no reason to assume that the murderers put their own lives in any form of hazard. Throughout history, killing squads have been sent out to kill people on purpose, and such trained killers on a mission have both the physical ability and the resources to achieve their purpose. The only reason to kill the Dyatlov group was that someone had decided that the nine students were at the wrong place at the wrong time, and the decision to kill them may therefore have been a preventive measure to ensure that no one of them could ever tell anyone what they had observed. There is also the possibility that local people committed the act because they were offended by the presence of these tourists - but it would seem far less probable albeit not entirely impossible. Further; there is evidence that the government authorities knew about the death of the Dyatlov group already in the first days of February, that is long before anyone in Sverdlovsk or Ivdel had any suspicion that the nine students were missing. The government also evidently wanted and forced the conclusion that the tragedy was caused by natural causes and the "mistakes of Igor Dyatlov," which is a conclusion that is contrary to available evidence. On top of all this, when the local police wanted to investigate more deeply, the investigation was stopped - by the central authorities in Moscow. That is very significant.
3. The killers would have made sure that the Dyatlov group were insufficiently dressed for the winter, and here we have rather compelling evidence: The nine left their tent without proper clothing and walked one mile away without winter mittens, and everyone who knows the principles of survival in the cold is aware that such an action in the cold means certain death. The only exception was one man who had valenki on his feet, which may be explained by his being outside of the tent at the moment of attack. These nine, intelligent students would never leave their tent without winter clothing and mittens unless they were forced to. Since there were evidently no avalanches or natural disasters that could have forced them out from the tent and made them flee far away, that leaves us with other humans as the force that attacked them. The men who attacked the Dyatlov group knew that the students had no chance of escaping without proper winter gear and on their feet in the cold. However, the weather was relatively mild that evening of February 1, 1959. That explains how their nine victims did not perish as the killers had expected, and every injury found on the nine is consistent with them being killed after having been hunted down by their murderers.
Yes, the nine students were all killed deliberately, and the perpetrators were and could only have been human attackers.
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You are right that it was no accident. However, the injuries indicate that they were attacked by something With hands the size of an A4 piece of paper. Thibo's depressed fracture is identical in proportions to the ball of the thumb of very large hand and the injury is indicative of that very large hand applying a force in excess of 450kg by either crushing his against the snow, or bringing the palm of its hand down onto his skull hard. Then when you look at the forces required to cause the rib fractures something with a hand 30cm long and 16cm wide makes sense. Question is what was it? A Gorilla is only think that I know of that matches the description.
Regards
Star man
sarapuk:
--- Quote from: Per Inge Oestmoen on September 29, 2019, 04:08:04 AM ---
--- Quote from: sarapuk on September 07, 2019, 06:04:14 PM ---
--- Quote from: Per Inge Oestmoen on September 06, 2019, 03:24:13 AM ---
The men who attacked the Dyatlov group knew that the students had no chance of escaping without proper winter gear and on their feet in the cold. However, the weather was relatively mild that evening of February 1, 1959. That explains how their nine victims did not perish as the killers had expected, and every injury found on the nine is consistent with them being killed after having been hunted down by their murderers.
Yes, the nine students were all killed deliberately, and the perpetrators were and could only have been human attackers.
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Bold Statements with no supporting EVIDENCE. And you State, Men when it could have included Women. You State that it was relatively mild that evening of February 1 1959, thats news to Me ! ? By all accounts the weather was awful and life threatening to any one not properly dressed. Etc.
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Per Inge Oestmoen:
--- Quote from: sarapuk on October 08, 2019, 12:30:51 PM ---Bold Statements with no supporting EVIDENCE. And you State, Men when it could have included Women. You State that it was relatively mild that evening of February 1 1959, thats news to Me ! ? By all accounts the weather was awful and life threatening to any one not properly dressed. Etc.
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One of the most recent books on the Dyatlov pass killing is written by Svetlana Oss, "Don't go there." Although I strongly disagree with her rather sensational and completely unsubstantiated theory of the identity of the killers, the book is extremely valuable because Svetlana Oss has brought forward new valuable information.
Part of that material is the reports from the nearest weather stations. The nearest weather stations are Nyaksimvol (59 miles north-east of Kholat Syakhl) and Burmantovo (41 miles north-east of Kholat Syakhl). On February 1, 1959, the temperatures were as follows:
Burmantovo
02:00-07:00: -5.9C
08:00-13:00: -6.3C
14:00-19:00: -10.2C
20:00-01:00: -18.1C
Nyaksimvol
02:00-07:00: -6.9C
08:00-13:00: -9.0C
14:00-19:00: -13.8C
20:00-01:00: -18.0C
On February 2, the temperature dropped to around -28C. But then, the attack had already taken place and the students were almost certainly already dead. How can we say that with certainty? We can know that the disaster must have struck on February 1 because the nine students infallibly wrote in their diaries, and the last diary was written on January 31. There was no diary entry from February 1, and this demonstrates that the disaster - that is the attack - must have taken place on February 1.
Thus, it is evident that when the students were forced to leave their tent the temperatures were relatively mild. So it makes perfect sense that the attacking group had to hunt down their victims in order to accomplish their mission.
As for the possibility that the group that murdered the nine students could also have included women, it is unlikely. Trained, professional killers are generally males.
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