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"Today is the birthday of Sasha Kolevatov"
Teddy:
https://dyatlovpass.com/diaries#30jan
Appropriate for this date, can anyone venture a theory why would anyone write that Kolevatov's birthday is today, the name is spelled out.
The diary entry is not dated but the way they published it in the case files must be Jan 30 or after.
Почемучка had a good run in this thread (which I intentionally stay away from) and she says basically that the notebook which Grigoriev said contained songs must have entries on the back of the pages and because of the handwriting the investigation dubbed it Zina's diary. She had another diary that was returned to her family. And she wrote in the group's diary as well. So we have:
https://dyatlovpass.com/zinaida-kolmogorova-diary (returned to her family now kept in the Dyatlov foundation)
https://dyatlovpass.com/dyatlov-group-diary (Jan 23 signed Zina)
https://dyatlovpass.com/unknown-diary → I want to talk about this diary
I have labeled it mistakenly named as "Kolmogorova's diary" but I am clueless why. Here are my questions:
Why did the investigation said it is Kolmogorova's on first place?
Почемучка says that it is because of the handwriting, they saw the other diary that said it is hers, they compared the handwriting and decided that this is also hers.
Note: we do not have scans from the originals that were included in the case files.
This is a bummer because this could have cleared this last Unknown diary how exactly the pages/entries/dates - this is haunting me.
I found Почемучка's idea very novel - that Grigoriev said that there were only songs but in fact there something more written in that notebook but here is what got me right back in the middle of the confusion: Why would Zina confuse who's birthday it was? She or whoever was the author of this line wrote: "Today is the birthday of Sasha Kolevatov."
How can she get wrong the name of the man she is still in love with? The name is written Sasha Kolevatov
Also in her confirmed diary she writes
29.1.59
Today is Yurka's birthday
I just don't buy it that she is going to write Today is Yurka's birthday and then Today is the birthday of Sasha Kolevatov.
In Russian the expressions for birthday in both sentences are very different.
"Сегодня Юрка именинник."
"Сегодня день рождения Саши Колеватова."
I am aiming for Почемучка's insight.
So when did they split the tangerine - 29 or 30? On whose birthday?
Who wrote "Today is the birthday of Sasha Kolevatov." ("Сегодня день рождения Саши Колеватова.")
karpov:
I do not know how in other countries, but in Russia there are two different concepts of "birthday" and there is a "name day". Name days can be celebrated several times on different days of the year.
Name day (from the word name) is the day of remembrance of the saint whose name was given to a person at baptism.
--- Quote ---You can celebrate the name day several times, it's okay. But usually one date is chosen. Either again on the nearest saint's memorial day after your birthday, or the most famous saint's memorial day. For example, Patriarch Kirill celebrates his name day on May 24, the day of remembrance of equal-to-the-Apostles Cyril and Methodius. At the same time, February 27 is a separate memorial day for Equal-to-the-Apostles Cyril, a Slovenian teacher.
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https://foma.ru/imeniny-i-den-angela-v-chem-raznicza.html?ysclid=ldit94x03f721611874
Teddy:
It's called "namesake" day. In Bulgaria this is very popular.
So your theory is that Sasha Kolevatov had a namesake day, why didn't Semyon aka Sasha celebrate too?
Sasha is short for Aleksandr.
Can you find when was the Aleksandr/Sasha/Shura namesake day in 1959?
Teddy:
This is actually very interesting.
Can you find some information like this one bit for 1959 because they vary some throughout the years, they follow the church calendar.
https://www.calend.ru/names/1-30/
So Sasha gets tangerine for a namesake day and Doroshenko gets nothing for a birthday the day before? Because he has been a bad boy (this is a joke)?
If you find me Aleksandr's day anywhere close to January 30 1959 I will change birthday to namesake day EVERYWHERE, and it will be one mystery solved.
BUT at the time this was my first though too, because in Bulgaria we are big on namesake days. And I rejected it for some reason. I believe it was because there was no Aleksandr's day anywhere close to this date.
Почемучка:
--- Quote from: Teddy on January 30, 2023, 04:12:43 AM ---
I am aiming for Почемучка's insight.
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Я сложила все доказательства последовательно и здесь
I have added all the evidence in sequence and here
http://dyatlovpass1.ru/viewtopic.php?id=13
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