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Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
track hunter:
I would not want to write the full version in detail, this is a very long time, I just want to indicate the main important detail, which is directly related to the involvement of a wild man on the Dyatlov pass. Everyone knows that the investigation did not conduct a traceological examination of the tracks. And this is a big omission.
Yeap, this is exactly what the snowman’s footprints are. https://sun9-40.userapi.com/c852020/v852020375/1af89a/RooDjS_HYg4.jpg,https://sun9-48.userapi.com/c851336/v851336955/181798/qxMrWdOEjxg.jpg
I explain why these traces cannot belong to man. Take a look. Size, stride length, a narrow heel is visible on some, a depression in the snow and a peculiar cautious gait bypassing the line (it is common for a snowman to not walk in human tracks),and there is no furrow in the snow characteristic of a person’s gait(Bigfoot Raises Thigh High While Walking). In addition, no one will scatter away from the group and from the already existing path, this is an extra effort, and in the dark and in bad weather it is even dangerous.
From the search team even mentioned, some tracks were up to 1.5m. But no one thinks, with his height, a person cannot have such a stride length, especially on snow (a stride length of a man of average height is about 0.7 - 0.8 m). Some say that maybe they were running. But firstly, if you try to run the slope, also in the snow, you will not leave such clear traces, you will also fall into ruin, and secondly, these two pairs of walking tracks, and not running, it is perfectly visible.
According to the canon of the criminal case, it is said that there were supposedly no traces of outsiders.
And how to believe this, when even the tracks are taken literally one-sided? As if deliberately, so that no one noticed too much, and then, they were photographed only in a short period. And how to understand inadvertently the phrased phrase of Korotaev that there was a big leg there, they say? Well, not about the cut off any human foot, he says. And obviously about a large footprint. So, I think the investigators found this trace.
Therefore, I am more and more inclined that we do not have all the materials. And the one who is authorized to open them also lacks the political will, as well as his predecessors.
And something else, maybe you didn’t see it, I want to show you another picture of Menk, that the Dyatlov group photographed a few days before the death. This is a female. https://sun9-30.userapi.com/c851020/v851020572/196b56/6bC7bHfMiK8.jpg, https://sun9-5.userapi.com/c851020/v851020572/196b5d/qJkTA97J3Ew.jpg, https://sun9-35.userapi.com/c851020/v851020572/196b64/S6YrduxW6HA.jpg
The riddle of the Dyatlov Pass is far from the only case of unexplained injuries. Surely many have read the books of retired police officer David Polides on the study of Sasquatch and mass disappearances / strange deaths in the national parks of North America and not only. The subject is hushed up or distorted, and I think, intentionally.
I can write a version from beginning to end with other indirect evidence, but it's too much Here is just the important part. And why do we need a version published with all the justifications? Prove the version, to whom? To people? But they need government confirmation. Authorities? To put them in an uncomfortable position by criticizing the decision of the prosecutor's office? They don’t need this, they closed the door on this issue and brought out their resume to the people.
This is due to the uncertainty of the question of being. Imagine, let's say, it is not troglodyte that is suspected about which Karl Linney wrote, but just a savage from a nomadic unknown tribe whose identity is not recorded anywhere. If there is a suspicion of his guilt in some crime, you can somehow designate the goal of "discover the tribe, take, find the culprit." But here it’s not at all clear: there may be a suspicion of a crime, and the official scientific community of the RAS considers that the suspects of this detachment do not exist in principle. Why should the prosecutor’s office, the police investigate a case in which a non-existent species may be found guilty? Give, comrades scientists, an idea of who it is, where to look for it and what it is, then the investigation will work out this option. That is - a procedural absurdity. It’s not the study of the Bigfoot question that ran into a contradiction: the crime already exists, and the criminal subject has not yet been recognized. Useless lesson.
I believe that the maximum benefit is to know by professionals, people known in cryptozoology, biology, hunting skills ... facts that say that there are traces of a bigfoot in this area. Indeed, the main counterargument of the version is not that it is not logical, but that there is no and never was the suspect himself. Because of this, I think this secret will be long, and there will still be many skeptics ...
Well, all sorts of other versions will also live on ...
Star man:
Interesting. I don't have time to discuss now but will come later on this.
Regard
Star man
Loose}{Cannon:
--- Quote ---And something else, maybe you didn’t see it, I want to show you another picture of Menk, that the Dyatlov group photographed a few days before the death. This is a female. https://sun9-30.userapi.com/c851020/v851020572/196b56/6bC7bHfMiK8.jpg, https://sun9-5.userapi.com/c851020/v851020572/196b5d/qJkTA97J3Ew.jpg, https://sun9-35.userapi.com/c851020/v851020572/196b64/S6YrduxW6HA.jpg
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This is one of the DP group. wink1
Maybe you missed the ski tracks leading all the way up to the figure wearing a hood?
Star man:
--- Quote from: track hunter on August 30, 2019, 10:50:09 AM ---I would not want to write the full version in detail, this is a very long time, I just want to indicate the main important detail, which is directly related to the involvement of a wild man on the Dyatlov pass. Everyone knows that the investigation did not conduct a traceological examination of the tracks. And this is a big omission.
Yeap, this is exactly what the snowman’s footprints are. https://sun9-40.userapi.com/c852020/v852020375/1af89a/RooDjS_HYg4.jpg,https://sun9-48.userapi.com/c851336/v851336955/181798/qxMrWdOEjxg.jpg
I explain why these traces cannot belong to man. Take a look. Size, stride length, a narrow heel is visible on some, a depression in the snow and a peculiar cautious gait bypassing the line (it is common for a snowman to not walk in human tracks),and there is no furrow in the snow characteristic of a person’s gait(Bigfoot Raises Thigh High While Walking). In addition, no one will scatter away from the group and from the already existing path, this is an extra effort, and in the dark and in bad weather it is even dangerous.
From the search team even mentioned, some tracks were up to 1.5m. But no one thinks, with his height, a person cannot have such a stride length, especially on snow (a stride length of a man of average height is about 0.7 - 0.8 m). Some say that maybe they were running. But firstly, if you try to run the slope, also in the snow, you will not leave such clear traces, you will also fall into ruin, and secondly, these two pairs of walking tracks, and not running, it is perfectly visible.
According to the canon of the criminal case, it is said that there were supposedly no traces of outsiders.
And how to believe this, when even the tracks are taken literally one-sided? As if deliberately, so that no one noticed too much, and then, they were photographed only in a short period. And how to understand inadvertently the phrased phrase of Korotaev that there was a big leg there, they say? Well, not about the cut off any human foot, he says. And obviously about a large footprint. So, I think the investigators found this trace.
Therefore, I am more and more inclined that we do not have all the materials. And the one who is authorized to open them also lacks the political will, as well as his predecessors.
And something else, maybe you didn’t see it, I want to show you another picture of Menk, that the Dyatlov group photographed a few days before the death. This is a female. https://sun9-30.userapi.com/c851020/v851020572/196b56/6bC7bHfMiK8.jpg, https://sun9-5.userapi.com/c851020/v851020572/196b5d/qJkTA97J3Ew.jpg, https://sun9-35.userapi.com/c851020/v851020572/196b64/S6YrduxW6HA.jpg
The riddle of the Dyatlov Pass is far from the only case of unexplained injuries. Surely many have read the books of retired police officer David Polides on the study of Sasquatch and mass disappearances / strange deaths in the national parks of North America and not only. The subject is hushed up or distorted, and I think, intentionally.
I can write a version from beginning to end with other indirect evidence, but it's too much Here is just the important part. And why do we need a version published with all the justifications? Prove the version, to whom? To people? But they need government confirmation. Authorities? To put them in an uncomfortable position by criticizing the decision of the prosecutor's office? They don’t need this, they closed the door on this issue and brought out their resume to the people.
This is due to the uncertainty of the question of being. Imagine, let's say, it is not troglodyte that is suspected about which Karl Linney wrote, but just a savage from a nomadic unknown tribe whose identity is not recorded anywhere. If there is a suspicion of his guilt in some crime, you can somehow designate the goal of "discover the tribe, take, find the culprit." But here it’s not at all clear: there may be a suspicion of a crime, and the official scientific community of the RAS considers that the suspects of this detachment do not exist in principle. Why should the prosecutor’s office, the police investigate a case in which a non-existent species may be found guilty? Give, comrades scientists, an idea of who it is, where to look for it and what it is, then the investigation will work out this option. That is - a procedural absurdity. It’s not the study of the Bigfoot question that ran into a contradiction: the crime already exists, and the criminal subject has not yet been recognized. Useless lesson.
I believe that the maximum benefit is to know by professionals, people known in cryptozoology, biology, hunting skills ... facts that say that there are traces of a bigfoot in this area. Indeed, the main counterargument of the version is not that it is not logical, but that there is no and never was the suspect himself. Because of this, I think this secret will be long, and there will still be many skeptics ...
Well, all sorts of other versions will also live on ...
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The foot prints are something that I have been interested in. After reviewing the case files I found it very odd that there is so little forensic evidence associated with the foot prints. Especially given that the search team were given specific instructions to focus on them. I would have expected foot print matching with the each of the Dyatlov group as a minimum. But nothing.
The photographs of the prints you have posted are interesting, but there is no real scale in the photo to use for size and distance measurement. How have you estimated the foot stride and foot size?
Another aspect of the prints that I have speculated on is those prints that have deviated away from the main group and then are said to rejoin the group. There is no time stamp on these prints so I myself speculated whether these prints were made by the "thing" that attacked the group? They could have been the prints of the attackers following behind the group or even have been attacking the group as the descended the slope? The dropped flashlight 450 metres from the tent. Why did they not stop to pick this back up?
The photograph is interesting also. If they had seen that in the photo and thought it was a Menk then I would have expected them to have written something in their diaries? Unless they didn't see it, or just one of them had seen it and after telling the others they made a joke about it and wrote in the "Evening Otorten"?
I have been focussing on the injuries of the group and in particular those found in the ravine. Thibo's head injury is identical in shape to the ball of a thumb on a hand. As weird as it appears, it seems like something with a very large hand (30cm long) has crushed his skull applying a force in excess of 450 kg. When you combine this with Lyuda and Semyon's flail chest it is very unlikely that a human could have inflicted those injuries and it is also unlikely that they were a result of a fall or accident. I can see a pattern to injuries that suggest that the victims have been knocked to the ground and beaten with massive blows. Possible dragged around a bit too. This is typical of an ape like attack.
Regards
Star man
Star man:
--- Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on August 30, 2019, 01:08:10 PM ---
--- Quote ---And something else, maybe you didn’t see it, I want to show you another picture of Menk, that the Dyatlov group photographed a few days before the death. This is a female. https://sun9-30.userapi.com/c851020/v851020572/196b56/6bC7bHfMiK8.jpg, https://sun9-5.userapi.com/c851020/v851020572/196b5d/qJkTA97J3Ew.jpg, https://sun9-35.userapi.com/c851020/v851020572/196b64/S6YrduxW6HA.jpg
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This is one of the DP group. wink1
Maybe you missed the ski tracks leading all the way up to the figure wearing a hood?
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LC can you point out the tracks on the photo? I can't see any? But we definitely need to be objective in this.
Regards
Star man
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