Reply #100
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I must say that I think you are mistaken is when you think that the attackers did not have firearms.
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You may want to read my 5 recent posts in which I discuss the disadvantages of a firearm compared to a simple birch wood blunt object.
https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=1113.msg17761#msg17761https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=78.msg17757#msg17757https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=78.msg17747#msg17747https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=1113.msg17746#msg17746https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=1113.msg17737#msg17737°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°
In my still under construction T
OKEB theory, the
"O" is used in gratitude to Oestmoen.
Indeed, we both agree with
Askenadzi :
I...came to the conclusion that no spontaneous force could kill the nine healthy and fit guys. They could not just freeze in those conditions. ...... I don't know who or why they were murdered. But this seems to me the only explanation of their death.But afterwards our theories are different. The
"K" of TOKEB is in honour of
Aleks Kandr who considers that the DPI is a humiliating defeat of the KGB which revealed itself unable to protect the 9 hikers.
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••• Apart from possible illegal activities such as criminal gold trafficking, the existence of "something that would represent a threat to state security" is a frankly extravagant assumption.
••• For 60 years the region has been particularly watched and scoured. And also, for 60 years, we can have an idea of the broad outlines of what might have been the secret Soviet research or realization in 1959 (nuclear bombs, submarines, aeroplanes, missiles, combat gas...etc).
There is no clue to suggest the presence of "something which they were not supposed to know about".
••• On the contrary, the region was far from being deserted but was often frequented by people who needed protection or control: foresters, loggers, geologists, prospectors, hunters, Russian tourists, illegal gold traffickers, Ivdellag escapees..........etc.
And all these people benefited from aerial surveillance from the Ivdellag airbase, which was well equipped (since it was able to send numerous intervention teams to the ground at short notice).
••• Even assuming that in 8 days, for some weird and unknown reason, the hikers had gone from being good citizens to individuals to be eliminated, neither the KGB nor any other official service would have failed to interrogate them methodically for days, and rather for weeks and months.
••• And in this case, investigations would have been carried out among the families and relatives of the hikers, which does not appear in the testimonies available to us.
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Citation : the nine were killed in a well planned, skillful killing mission. The killing mission (and the typical disfiguration of the 2 corpses) was planned to be accomplished (more or less quickly) regardless of the weather conditions on the slope of Kholat Syakhl on 1 February.
Just as well :
Temperature = 0° C and Wind : 3 m/s - or sudden rise in temperature. (Example:
Igor B. , wolverine....).
Temperature = -50° C and Wind : 35 m/s. (Example:
Lupos, Catabatic Wind - Acute Stress Reaction - Cold Air Drops...).
The temperature had no importance on the final result which was: not to leave any survivor.
Citation : The Mansi were in the area,.......... possibly also observed the arrival of the killers. It is unlikely that the Mansis could have seen the arrival of the killers by extraordinary chance.
Apart from participating in the search for the corpses, the Mansis played no direct role in the DPI. cf.
Vladimir Sungorkin from Komsomolskaya Pravda.
Citation : I can hardly imagine a more cruelly intelligent... The cold killing procedure by cold is well known and has been used for centuries in the Siberian regions.
This killing method, which is inexpensive, is not particularly cruel compared to other killings tortures. After the onset of painful physiological reactions, the victim gradually loses consciousness.
Sometimes the victim even feels a paradoxical sensation of warmth.
Citation : ...I think you are mistaken is when you think that the attackers did not have firearms. Vietnamka But the main question of why the victims were not simply shot ?
the simplest answer is - attackers didnt have [fire]weapons. 1) - No staging The attackers wanted to show that they had killed 9 exemplary Soviet citizens who were pampered by the Khrushchev government.
Therefore the attackers did not stage anything, thinking that the investigators would normally and logically declare that the 9 hikers had been murdered.
But afterwards the Kremlin fooled those who orchestrated these assassinations by imposing idiotic official explanations i.e. :
"overwhelming force, which the hikers were not able to overcome" in 1959,
later "Avalanche" in 2019.
2) - No firearm The exit from the tent without the axes and in the conditions of the attack: darkness, wind, without tearing off the tent,
cannot be explained by the mere verbal threat of a firearm. (in 1959: no powerful and transportable light was easily available).
• It was not sufficient to shoot in the air.
• It was not sufficient to explode large firecrackers: boom, boom....
• It would have required an impressive visible warning gunshot. (i.e. a hole in the tent fabric or even in the leg of a hiker).
Another more promising approach to research was suggested by
Mishka: the use of cunning, treachery and betrayal, like certain pirates at sea who disguise themselves as shipwrecked men in distress in order to gain control of a large ship.
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