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General Discussion / Re: So I asked AI about the topic...

« Last post by Ziljoe on Today at 05:58:06 PM »

The injuries at the ravine were also not caused by snow-fall, none of the hikers died of suffocation, if they had been buried by enough snow to crush ribs, you'd expect at least one of them to have suffocated. Zolotarev was alive for up to an hour, Tibo - three to four hours.

Yes! That is actually a very good counterargument.

I'm not sure where the information came from that Zolotaryov was alive for up to an hour and tibo alive for three to four hours.

I think this is an overlap in speculation, if there was no snow den collapse that caused these injuries, then it's speculated that this is how long the might have lived.

That was taken straight from the death reports on this site. 2 to 3 hours for Tibo, I got that wrong.
But that is their official cause of death, if any of the four had died of asphyxiation it would have left clear signs at the autopsy and that would have been their cause of death... However that wasn't the case.
I don't understand where the speculation is

Sorry, and I will try to explain where I'm coming from . IAM guessing your conclusion comes from this page

https://dyatlovpass.com/death#Thibeaux

It state's,

"From what kind of force could Thibeaux-Brignolle have received such injury?

In the conclusion, it’s shown the damage to Thibeaux-Brignolle’s head could have been the result of the throwing, fall or jettisoning of the body. I don’t believe these injuries could have been the result of Thibeaux-Brignolle simply falling from the level of his own height, i.e. falling and hitting his head. The extensive, depressed, multi-splintered (broken fornix and base of the skull) fracture could be the result of an impact of an automobile moving at high speed. This kind of trauma could have occurred if Thibeaux-Brignolle had been thrown and fallen and hit his head against rocks, ice, etc., by a gust of strong wind.

Is it possible that Thibeaux-Brignolle was hit by a rock that was in someone’s hand?

In this case, there would have been damage to the soft tissue, and this was not evident.

How long could Thibeaux-Brignolle have lived after the trauma. Could he have moved on his own, talked, etc.?

After this trauma, Thibeaux-Brignolle would have had a severe concussion; that is, he would have been in an unconscious state. Moving him would have been difficult and, close to the end, movement would not have been possible. I believe he would not have been able to move even if he had been helped. He could only have been carried or dragged. He could have shown signs of life for 2-3 hours."

As I understand this dialogue, it's someone or some expert reinterpretation of the autopsy.

In my basic knowledge, the injuries could have happened in a snow collapse and signs of asphyxiation wouldn't be present in an autopsy conducted 3 months later.

Basically, who ever stated that the hey could of lived 10,20 minutes , or 2, to there hours after their physical injuries doesn't take in to account that they may have died instantly ( or with in minutes of a crushing event) .

Unfortunately, the questions asked and answers given don't cite who and where this conversation came from. They don't seem to be in the case files or autopsy..

The autopsy conclusion states,

"Conclusion

On the basis of the examination of the body of Thibeaux-Brignolle, it is my opinion that his death was the result of a closed comminuted pressure fracture in the area of the base and the vault of the cranium with a prolific amount of bleeding under the meninges and brain matter while under low temperature. The above-mentioned extensive comminuted fracture of the base and the vault of the cranium are of in vivo origin and are the result of a great force with the subsequent falling, hurling and concussion of Thibeaux-Brignolle.

The corporal damage of the soft tissue in the area of the head and the ‘bath skin’ of the extremities are the result of post-mortem changes in the body of Thibeaux-Brignolle, which was found submerged in water after some time. The death of Thibeaux-Brignolle was a result of violence."

So , I remain confused what is fact or fiction. I may have missed some things and I'm happy to be guided to the source. .

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General Discussion / Re: So I asked AI about the topic...

« Last post by ZuriDog on Today at 05:01:44 PM »

The injuries at the ravine were also not caused by snow-fall, none of the hikers died of suffocation, if they had been buried by enough snow to crush ribs, you'd expect at least one of them to have suffocated. Zolotarev was alive for up to an hour, Tibo - three to four hours.

Yes! That is actually a very good counterargument.

I'm not sure where the information came from that Zolotaryov was alive for up to an hour and tibo alive for three to four hours.

I think this is an overlap in speculation, if there was no snow den collapse that caused these injuries, then it's speculated that this is how long the might have lived.

That was taken straight from the death reports on this site. 2 to 3 hours for Tibo, I got that wrong.
But that is their official cause of death, if any of the four had died of asphyxiation it would have left clear signs at the autopsy and that would have been their cause of death... However that wasn't the case.
I don't understand where the speculation is

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General Discussion / Re: Cover-up

« Last post by Ziljoe on Today at 04:24:58 PM »

At a time when the Khrushchev thaw was being implemented with concrete initiatives, there was a fierce opposition against the stretching of the Stalinist legacy. The failure to find the last four individuals, in particular, and the lack of a plausible explanation for the tragedy's cause, must have served as an opportunity to accuse the government of erosion, embarrassment, and incompetence, based on the deaths of nine young people. Could a simple case of radioactive contamination have been exaggerated by opposition experts? It seems understandable that a tragedy that actually occurred due to a chain reaction of natural causes, the lack of reliable reporting, the lack of modern resources (TV, internet, etc.), and the government's inability to control events due to the distance between Yukaterinburg and Moscow, led to a plausible cover-up, or rather, steps to cover up the incident without delving into it too much.

I think something like this is the main reason, they weren't hiding some secret about the incident,, they just didn't know , which could be seen as a weakness. I think it's in this concept that the reason for secrecy existed.

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General Discussion / Re: So I asked AI about the topic...

« Last post by Ziljoe on Today at 04:15:39 PM »

The injuries at the ravine were also not caused by snow-fall, none of the hikers died of suffocation, if they had been buried by enough snow to crush ribs, you'd expect at least one of them to have suffocated. Zolotarev was alive for up to an hour, Tibo - three to four hours.

Yes! That is actually a very good counterargument.

I'm not sure where the information came from that Zolotaryov was alive for up to an hour and tibo alive for three to four hours.

I think this is an overlap in speculation, if there was no snow den collapse that caused these injuries, then it's speculated that this is how long the might have lived.

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General Discussion / Re: Cover-up

« Last post by Osi on Today at 12:48:50 PM »

At a time when the Khrushchev thaw was being implemented with concrete initiatives, there was a fierce opposition against the stretching of the Stalinist legacy. The failure to find the last four individuals, in particular, and the lack of a plausible explanation for the tragedy's cause, must have served as an opportunity to accuse the government of erosion, embarrassment, and incompetence, based on the deaths of nine young people. Could a simple case of radioactive contamination have been exaggerated by opposition experts? It seems understandable that a tragedy that actually occurred due to a chain reaction of natural causes, the lack of reliable reporting, the lack of modern resources (TV, internet, etc.), and the government's inability to control events due to the distance between Yukaterinburg and Moscow, led to a plausible cover-up, or rather, steps to cover up the incident without delving into it too much.

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General Discussion / Re: So I asked AI about the topic...

« Last post by brightyellow on Today at 08:53:19 AM »

The injuries at the ravine were also not caused by snow-fall, none of the hikers died of suffocation, if they had been buried by enough snow to crush ribs, you'd expect at least one of them to have suffocated. Zolotarev was alive for up to an hour, Tibo - three to four hours.

Yes! That is actually a very good counterargument.

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Religious Connections / Analogy with the Torah and Moses

« Last post by Axelrod on July 11, 2025, 04:01:13 PM »

The case with the Dyatlov group is very mysterious and has a mythical coloring. But it is not unique in history. You will always find a similar case in the sequence 1234 and 5, it is like the height of Mount Otorten or the moment of the explosion in Chernobyl (01:23:45).
And this is the Torah (the Pentateuch of Moses), Book 2 (Exodus), Chapter 3, paragraphs 4-5.
God called to Moses from the burning bush, calling him to lead the people of Israel out of Egypt to the Promised Land (to Palestine, to Asia).
 

Photo from the Dyatlov Pass, (c) Teodora Hadjiyska.

1) One day Moses drove the flock to the western part of the desert and came to the mountain of the true God.



2) There, in a thorny bush engulfed in flames, an angel of God appeared to him. Moses saw that the bush was burning, but not consumed.

3) He thought: "I'll go look at this strange phenomenon. Why is the bush not burned up?



4) And God saw that he had come near, and God called to him from the midst of the burning bush, and said, "Moses! Moses!" He (Moses) said, "Here I am!"



5) And God said to him, "Do not come near here! Take off your shoes from your feet, since the place where you are standing is holy ground."

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General Discussion / Re: So I asked AI about the topic...

« Last post by ZuriDog on July 11, 2025, 02:32:29 PM »

I think AI favors avalanche because it is the generally accepted version.
BUT
None of the search party, who were experienced hikers, nor the investigators - and most importantly , nor the Mansi who knew the area and would be very familiar with the terrain - not one of saw any signs of an avalanche or snow-slide. In none of the telegrams sent is there any mention of the possibility of an avalanche.
The hikers were not injured at the tent, that is evidenced by the footprints, no one is being carried, helped, no one using a support, no one even limping.

The injuries at the ravine were also not caused by snow-fall, none of the hikers died of suffocation, if they had been buried by enough snow to crush ribs, you'd expect at least one of them to have suffocated. Zolotarev was alive for up to an hour, Tibo - three to four hours.

So this snow-slide at the slope, if it even happened, was not significant enough to abandon the tent.
The hikers that were found heading back towards the tent - they were trying to return to safety, not to a buried tent.

This is why I think something made them temporarily leave the tent, but not abandon it.
Their state of dress, the fact that they took very little with them - indicates they responded to an event, and would return to the tent as soon as possible.

In my theory, this event is Tibo's injury when he fell from the cedar tree while gathering wood with Zolotarev.

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General Discussion / Re: Wood Expedition Theory

« Last post by ahabmyth on July 11, 2025, 07:32:48 AM »

All is revealed in The Cedars.

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General Discussion / Re: Cover-up

« Last post by Ziljoe on July 11, 2025, 05:49:53 AM »

In case Ive not been clear , the concept of the cover up was because of all the talk of rockets , the name of the silo being used , Ivanovs balls in the sky and radiation.

It is not because there were silo base's or rockets but because all of the talk about them. If the silo's already had their secret names of rivers and were on documents preplanning their development . It would perhaps be enough to file the case away and talk no more about it .

 To understand this , we must conceptualise what was going on in the world at that time , that is nuclear war and political movement.  Parts of America and the Europe were pro communism . It is 14 years after WWII, everyone will remember how awful it was. The Kremlin has two things to keep secret , the missile testing and links to silo's and rocket development.

Another reason and it is very simple, I don't know how much the parents got told but there is a long draft of paper work blaming the sports committee and those involved in protecting the students, there is a long list of failures . I don't know if the parents could make claims against the state .