When I subscribed to this forum (November 03, 2019), I hoped that we would discover rare and exciting physical phenomena.
But now I am disappointed and disillusioned because Eduard Tumanov certainly did not make a mistake about the nature of injuries caused by blunt objects handled by determined humans being.
Something only quite banal and ordinary happened to Dyatlov's group.
In short, it was an attack partially of a terrorist nature, easily explicable by the history of the USSR, as has occurred in thousands and thousands of others cases around the world since February 2, 1959.
I intend to write more detailed and nuanced explanations in the Topic "Altercation on the pass" which is a more suitable than the Topic "Murdered", but it is time consuming....https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=411.30
By imitating Per Inge Oestmoen I would say that : do I know for sure ? No. The evidence we have (essentially thanks to Dyatlov.com), would not hold up in any court because the evidence that the nine were killed still does not prove the exact identity of the murderers. We shall not know with certainty until someone who knows (and who has the willingness to tell) the whole truth.
Traces of urine do not bring any useful information.
There is no relationship between these two trace formation mechanisms :
1° - the footprints result from the settling of the snow under the weight of the body.
2° - traces of urine are produced by the flow of a liquid initially at 37°C, aqueous and colored, which quickly seeps into the porous snow and transforms into an ice column of irregular shape.
So the traces of urine could have been made on 1 or 2 February either by the 9 hikers, or by the 3 or 4 attackers, or even by other unknown visitors between February 2 and February 26.
°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°° §-1- There are at least 2 other Topics on the same subject.seniorsupport
Among the raised footprints there is an unexplained trace of a heel shoe.
: Theories Discussion > General Discussion > Footprints
==> February 01, 2018, 11:46:21 AMhttps://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=105.0
(+ 26 Replies or Posts up to 12/12/2020)Teddy
: Theories Discussion > General Discussion > Experiment with raised tracks
==> April 11, 2020, 12:03:49 AMhttps://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=614.0
(+ 4 Replies or Posts up to 12/12/2020) §-2- I believe we can conclude that :
Between the tent and the cedar, in an area that is difficult to evaluate precisely, there were raised footprints more or less aligned. These were almost certainly the footprints left by the hikers. §-3- According to "Injuries, clothing and belongings to Dyatlov group". https://dyatlovpass.com/injuries?filter_page=2&rbid=18461
Slobodin : " black felt boot .. "
Thibeaux-Brignolle : " Almost new gray felt boots .. "
Zolotaryov Black : " quilted boots without soles (burki) .. "
The others six wore different kinds of socks.
Consequently, how can this heel footprint be explained ?
°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°° §-1- From North-2 to the tent
The lack of visible tracks on February 26th does not prove the absence of human presence on February 2nd.
Generally speaking, in order to find and reach skiers who are somewhere, following the trail that they have left, the snow is already packed, (compacted), by their passage and there is less effort to be made to advance quickly.
By following the trail it is certain that the goal will be at the end and there is no more wasting time with hesitations and stopping to find the right itinerary. As a result :
••• To reach from North-2 to the tent on the slope of the Kholat Syakhl on the 1 st of February the attackers carefully followed the trail left by the 9 hikers.
••• To return from the tent to North-2 on February 2, the victorious attackers carefully followed the trail left during the outward journey by then 12 skiers."...On February 25 Boris Slobtsov and his group finally discovered the trail of skis that he assumed to be that of Dyatlov...."
( in the Auspiya valley near the pass)."...26.02 in the evening a report was received from Slobtsov that Dyatlov group tent was found with all the items, food and skis..."
On 25 February, for the rescuers, the short trail between the upper Auspiya valley and the tent had therefore been erased by the bad weather.
• But on 1 February this trail between the upper Auspiya valley and the tent was still clearly visible to the attackers. §-2- On the slope of the Kholat Syakhl.
a) The attackers who pursued the hikers on 1 February from North-2, stayed on their skis
on the slope after the attack on the tent, allowing them to move a little faster than the badly-shod hikers.
It was only afterwards, in the Cedar and the Den area, that the attackers took off their skis to fight and defeat the hikers in brief, violent hand-to-hand combats.
b) During February in the Urals, according to Ivan Rempel, there are usually a few days when the wind blows very strongly and thus erases the footprints and the ski trails,
except in some localized areas
where small mounds of "raised tracks" are formed which remain for a long time.Ivan Rempel
: "...I expressed my opinion that in wintertime it is dangerous to go along the Ural ridge because there are... and besides there are strong winds raging, people have been hurt. I told them my concern because I know this area of the Ural range from the words of local resident..." §-3- In the Cedar and the Den area I agree with the argument of :eurocentric (Reply #10) : "IMO a third party could only conceivably be involved at the cedar and ravine, because in those areas the later snowfall would cover their tracks, it would tend to collect at lower elevation rather than be wind scoured, and we know what fell lower down the pass from the way it covered 3 bodies under approximately 2ft of snow in the weeks before the recovery team found them and how the hiker tracks disappeared halfway to the forest. So Mother Nature would erase half the crime scene...."
°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°° §-1- Miskra has found the most likely explanation
Recalls of some few arguments in favour of the hypothesis "Altercation on the pass".
for leaving the tent without the 3 short-handled axes and almost without clothes, it isMishka
: General Discussion/Who cut open the tent? ==> August 10, 2020, 12:04:43 AM Reply #16https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=690.msg10439#msg10439"... they went out to see what was going on. and the surprise .... police or military or other you want . they were asked to leave the tent immediately because the place was in danger and had to leave the tent immediately and without waiting without shoes without clothing we don't care OUT NOW !!!!........... "
Indeed, trickery, deception, ruse is an (immoral) process both simple and effective which is sometimes used in war (cf. The Trojan Horse) and more often in maritime piracy to climb aboard a small boat and seize it by killing the crew.
• See also, part 1 : https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=744.msg11337#msg11337 §-2- Why the contents of the tent were not stolen by the attackers.
An asset of the attackers was surprise and speed. The attackers did not want to load themselves without heavy bags and they wanted to return quickly to North-2 and Vizhay to rest.
The contents of the tent were not very valuable: some dirty old clothes, unappetizing food, used short-handled axes, an unsaleable stove....
It seems that the attackers only brought 1 or 2 cameras, which may have weighed around 600 grams (check it out). §-3- Tent cuts were made by the attackers
on the morning of February 2, after their victory, just before leaving back to North-2.
It does not matter what the exact reasons for this vandalism (of the tent damage) were.
••• In my opinion, they were gestures of no practical use. It was to relieve the intense nervous tension caused by the night's hard fighting, which had been long and difficult for the attackers. (and deadly for the hikers).
••• According to Aleks Kandr
, the purpose of the openings was to improve the light inside the tent because the canvas was thick and the inside of the tent remained relatively dark during the day. §-4- The explanation of the DPI is made artificially difficult
because propagandists in the pay of formerly Nikita Krushchev and now of Vladimir Putin, continue to propagate seductive false leads that lead more than one commentator into extravagant logical dead ends.