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General Discussion / Re: Cattle and Animal and Human Mutilations

« Last post by sarapuk on Today at 04:35:26 PM »

I know there is something called selective perception, or in simple terms, seeing what you want to see. No matter how broad minded we believe we are, everybody's world view is filtered by experience and belief. We also have a remarkably developed ability to invent answers. This is because we believe we are rational beings and every effect has a cause. In situations like the DPI and LGM mutilations, the effect is the presence of the deceased, so there must be a cause. This is where the filter comes in. In the end, an explanation can be valid in terms of means, motivation and opportunity because it is logical. It can also be unreliable and onjectively wrong. The Loch Ness monster was named because witnesses had the means to see it, they were motivated to see it and they siezed the opportunity to document it. Yet, there is no Loch Ness monster. 
So what? How does anyone avoid getting it wrong? There are some strategies that seem to work better than others. Occam's Razor is one. It is often reduced to the acronym KISS, or Keep It Simple S________ ( chose your own word). LGM is not a KISS solution, considering the cost of gas for those curvy, spinny things they travel in.

Phew. Thats a lot of words to explain what exactly? I'm only going by facts. Anyone can see that there are similarities between some animal mutilations and some human mutilations. And that's what we have with 2 of the Dyatlov bodies. I will try to dig up some more on this topic relevant to our Dyatlov mystery.

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General Discussion / Re: Watch this

« Last post by sarapuk on Today at 04:28:13 PM »

GlennM, landmarks work in good visibility. In poor visibility, you either stay put or follow a compass bearing. Judging by reports from those years, tourists weren't taught how to navigate in near-zero visibility.
If the weather had cleared, the group could have returned using the buttes as a guide.

A person in front of you is a land mark , a rock , a tree . Its like lining sights on a gun. You have a tree 200m away and some close , you aim along that bearing.

The tourists might not know where they are exactly plus they had to leave the tent . The tent could have been covered with snow drifts and the foot prints. How on earth would you find the tent again?.

Whats buttes?

As I said elsewhere in this. It doesn't matter if you have zero visibility or perfect visibility. You have a map and a compass, and therefore, the Dyatlov Group would know where they were at any particular time.

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General Discussion / Re: Watch this

« Last post by sarapuk on Today at 04:24:21 PM »

GlennM, landmarks work in good visibility. In poor visibility, you either stay put or follow a compass bearing. Judging by reports from those years, tourists weren't taught how to navigate in near-zero visibility.
If the weather had cleared, the group could have returned using the buttes as a guide.

Yes, but it doesn't matter if it's zero visibility or perfect visibility. The Dyatlov Group would know where they were at any particular time by virtue of using a compass and a map. If you are out at sea and you have no landmarks, you have a map [ chart ] and a compass. And therefore you can navigate.

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General Discussion / Re: Watch this

« Last post by sarapuk on Today at 04:20:31 PM »

A bearing on 1079 could be ascertained by having an objective. That would be trees. Trees are downhill from the tent. Bearing problem solved. You might argue that the Yuri's climbed the cedar in order to get a visual after the darkness and weather cleared. That is another thread, I think.

But they would know where they were at any particular time, so why would it be necessary to have a bearing with reference to the trees in the forest?

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General Discussion / Re: Watch this

« Last post by sarapuk on Today at 04:18:28 PM »

Hunter

A bearing is a chosen direction. You can do this by any means. Using a watch along with counting steps is an extremely basic method for estimating the distance you travel. You have no other means. He was found with two watches? And that is what we are talking about. How do you know they weren't taught to navigate in zero visibility. No one knows why the stopped. The point is to why he may have been wearing two watches.

Well, by many means. You don't need to be taught to navigate in zero visibility; a simple compass can do that. For the Dyatlov Group, just know which direction to head in.
Hence, a very simple compass. Maybe having 2 watches on was a mere personal thing, nothing untoward or strange or for any specific purpose.

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General Discussion / Re: Watch this

« Last post by sarapuk on Today at 04:08:44 PM »

I’m not trying to overturn anything — just exploring how the small details might fit together. I appreciate your input; it helps keep the idea grounded and realistic.

It seems to me that the moment the clock hands indicate suggests that the hands were positioned downwards, under the influence of gravity.
They were able to descend, but the spring was unable to lift them back up.
Yes, 18:30 for Stalin and 17:30 for Dyatlov suggest that the hands were at the bottom of the dial.
If someone's arms was lying on their side, then it was 8:40. So, it's a moment, but it doesn't tell us anything.

Under the influence of gravity !? That needs some scientific elaboration.

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General Discussion / Re: Watch this

« Last post by sarapuk on Today at 04:06:46 PM »

Brignole On the left forearm there are two watches

Without a doubt, it is something very strange. I have never seen anyone wearing two watches.

For what reason could I take two and not one as would be normal? 

Is it really strange for someone to wear 2 watches!?

Yes, normally it is strange to wear two watches (maybe in case one breaks to have another or, as you have already mentioned, it could belong to one of his deceased companions). But I think that detail has little relevance in a case where there are many concerns, don't you think?

I would, in that case, use the word rare instead of strange. I was thinking, is this relevant, and after a while, I thought yes, why not? Any little detail may provide an avenue for further investigation.

 

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General Discussion / Re: Watch this

« Last post by sarapuk on Today at 04:02:04 PM »

After World War II, captured German equipment was highly prized in the USSR. Take Zeiss binoculars, for example. Yes, the USSR produced high-quality goods, but they were mostly exported or distributed among the elite. The average citizen had virtually no access to them.
Imported items, so-called "brand name" items, were highly prized among Soviet citizens, even though these "brand names" were often counterfeited in underground factories. For example, jeans, which were not available for sale in the USSR (except in Beryozka stores, where they could be purchased with so-called "checks"), cost almost as much on the black market as the average monthly salary of most Soviet citizens. Moreover, these jeans were often not made in the West (the era of Chinese "clones" had not yet arrived), but in underground factories. For example, in a sewing workshop on the third shift. In your example, these binoculars were clearly manufactured for export, so their quality was higher than those that were sold on the civilian market within the USSR.

The military of the USSR and certain others would have had the best binoculars available, as well as other equipment. This may extend to the universities. It's a long time ago, over 60 years, so people young then would be old now, obviously, but they may remember a lot of what went on in those times regarding equipment.

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General Discussion / Re: Lights in the Sky

« Last post by GlennM on Today at 04:00:57 PM »

...well, things were going poorly in the forest, maybe it was time to IRZ to cut their losses and get back to the tent, suit up and bug out for the labaz and Vizhay.

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General Discussion / Re: Avalanche

« Last post by sarapuk on Today at 03:56:38 PM »

.and yet, we see an image of a ruined tent, broken support pole, knifed canvas and different textures of snow taken in the aftermath. I like weather driven shifted snow better than guns, arrows, claws and lights in the sky.

I'm open to all possibilities. But obviously, some things are just unlikely due to the circumstances of the whole incident. Because it wasn't just about what happened at the tent site, it was what happened on the slope in the forest and at the ravine. Yes, we see a ruined tent weeks after the event that put it that way. We see the snow weeks after the event, so we don't know the exact state of the snow at the time of the event. We don't know if the snow or weather conditions resulted in the damage to the tent and the fleeing of the group from the tent. But it's highly unlikely that snow damaged the tent and caused the group to rip open their tent and flee, not properly dressed for those conditions.