All I need to do is smell the sprayОчень жаль, что в Шотландии нет скунсов. Но можно купить эссенцию:
But what if they were not faced with a dangerous situation. Perhaps, for example, they were affected by infrasound and not thinking clearly.
One scenario that I'm drawn to is this: Tibo was outside on guard duty. Suddenly the wind begins to blow hard and Tibo is knocked down. As he begins to blow down the slope, he screams for help. After cutting the side of the tent open, others rush out to help. Some of them are blown down and now all the others rush out to help. Some distance down the slope everyone is gathered together. Two have broken ribs, two have skull fractures. Kolevatov is also injured. The healthy ones help the injured toward the woods in an orderly manner. It's night and they can't see the tent. Better to head for the woods and try to survive the night. While the two Yuris build a fire, the others dig out a snow den for the four who are injured. But later the snow den collapses, and the four fall into the ravine. As the snow weighs the bodies down over the weeks ahead, chests collapse and more ribs broken. The skull fracture is made worse. The two Yuris freeze to death near the fire. Igor, Rustin and Zina make a desperate attempt to try and find the tent, but die on their way back up the slope.I like this scenario because it's simple and plausible. I think the dark tent would be visible against a uniform white snowy mountainside even at night.. but not if there was a snowstorm, or fog.. and it looks like from their last photos that there indeed was a storm.
This scenario, although far from perfect, does explain why they fled the tent without shoes and coats and how some of them were at least partially injured. dunno1
Was this theory on a Russian forum? I also think they must have made Evening Otorten as an "easter egg" to leave at the Otorten summit. And I remember reading a theory long ago that was referring to some unsourced Mansi testimony about a group in the area that was lost and wandering for days... according to that theory they made it to Otorten, then back, and were trying to find the labaz because they were running low on food...
If it was staged , then there is no point at looking at the way anything was found . It needs to be looked at from Teddy's perspective. ( I have read some other theory that they got to mt Otornten and that the news letter was to be left at the top of the mountain for the next tourists that would go there.)
(There is a report in the case files that several of the blankets in the tent were rolled up in a ball ,frozen. I can't for the life of me even come up with an explanation for that in any of the theories.)Скомканные одеяла указывают на события в палатке.
(There is a report in the case files that several of the blankets in the tent were rolled up in a ball ,frozen. I can't for the life of me even come up with an explanation for that in any of the theories.)Скомканные одеяла указывают на события в палатке.
Изначально одеяла были расстелены на полу. Вскочившие и отступившие вглубь палатки люди скомкали их ногами. Кстати, поэтому упали средняя и задняя стойки палатки. Вскочившие на ноги люди подняли тент в задней половине палатки и стойки упали.
But why frozen?http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=78572
But why frozen?http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=78572
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One scenario that I'm drawn to is this: Tibo was outside on guard duty. Suddenly the wind begins to blow hard and Tibo is knocked down. As he begins to blow down the slope, he screams for help. After cutting the side of the tent open, others rush out to help. Some of them are blown down and now all the others rush out to help. Some distance down the slope everyone is gathered together. Two have broken ribs, two have skull fractures. Kolevatov is also injured. The healthy ones help the injured toward the woods in an orderly manner. It's night and they can't see the tent. Better to head for the woods and try to survive the night. While the two Yuris build a fire, the others dig out a snow den for the four who are injured. But later the snow den collapses, and the four fall into the ravine. As the snow weighs the bodies down over the weeks ahead, chests collapse and more ribs broken. The skull fracture is made worse. The two Yuris freeze to death near the fire. Igor, Rustin and Zina make a desperate attempt to try and find the tent, but die on their way back up the slope.Maslennikov initially guessed at a similar scenario. From his second notebook: "the group had dinner (there are food leftovers in the tent) and began to undress in order change their wet clothes, boots and put on dry ones. It was at that moment that something happened that made the group half-dressed run out of the tent and rush down the slope. Perhaps someone dressed came out to relief himself, he was blown away. The responders to the scream were also carried away."
This scenario, although far from perfect, does explain why they fled the tent without shoes and coats and how some of them were at least partially injured. dunno1
I know I'm beating a dead horse here lol, but Zina's death was ruled as violence and hypothermia. Strange conclusion, isn't it? Especially since I think she was the only one whose death was labeled as "violent." (possibly 1 other?) We could gather that the word 'violent' doesn't mean at the hand of another, but if not, why weren't all the hikers determined to have "violence" play a part in their deaths? Why only her?
Sheet 134So "violent", but "accidental"ConclusionBased on the investigation of the body of Kolmogorova Zinaida Alekseevna, 22 years old, and taking into account the circumstances of the case, we feel that the death of Kolmogorova was the result of cool temperatures/freezing, as evidenced by the swelling of the meninges, the hyperaemia of the internal organs, the dark liquid blood in the heart cavities, the Wischnewsky spots on the gastric mucosa, and the fourth-degree frostbite on the third distal phalanges of the fingers; the injuries found on Kolmogorova’s body in the form of abrasions and skin wounds were caused by a blunt instrument and the result of a fall and injuries on rocks, ice and snow.
The above-mentioned injuries occurred while Kolmogorova was alive, in the agonal state, and posthumously.
The investigation of the body of Komogоrova allows for the basis of theory that she last ate 6-8 hours before the time of death. Alcohol was not detected during the investigation. Kolmogorova’s virginity is still intact. The cause of death was violent and accidental.
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Wolverines scare the living but do not eat the dead? Tree falls on people but there is no suitable fallen branch on the ground? Hikers create a cache then deliberately walk a mile down hill only to have to regain the altitude the next day? The simplest answers are no wolverine,no tree branch and no turning right at the cache. They camped, were startled by ground tremors produced by the earth or an atmospheric disturbance. They ran for their lives, then collected themselves and walked To safety underestimating the distance at night, a fatal mistake.Maybe it's as simple as that... I think what really makes the DPI a mystery is all the little detail we know, for example the cuts in the tent from the inside, and that someone who made those cuts made multiple attempts, and had spent a considerable amount of time.. so it wasn't to exit the tent in a rush.
Manti, your comment about escaping the tent and descending in the path of a snow slide is clear reasoning. Do you not think it reasonable to consider they would not go uphill nor laterally to put distance between and a threat? I do. Some time ago I speculated that Russian aircraft were the source of the problem. This was reinforced by that last photo of the out of focus orb. I thought earth shaking from aerial activity would be a possibility.
You know, by all accounts these were very intelligent experienced grade 2 (and one grade 3) hikers. They are not going to go off half cocked unless panicked. To quote an old adage, " something rattled their cage". It would be earth, air, fire or water in some form or other. I opt for earth tremors , a,transient event described as an unknown compelling force. Let's continue this quest for truth, yes?
This was about Zina's injuries. Hers weren't likened to a car crash. That only applies to some of those 4 found in the ravine months later.
Manti, its a strange choice of words for me. Accidental but violent. and likened to injuries sustained from a car crash or from falling or being thrown. It's been suggested that those types of injuries could have only been caused by falling or being thrown from at least 60 feet which was a theory dismissed by one of Russia's top forensic pathologists who determined it was very unlikely that they sustained those injuries from falling/throwing.
В судебной медицине принято выделять две категории смерти - насильственную и ненасильственную.Э. В. Туманов, Е. М. Кильдюшов, З. Ю. Соколова. СУДЕБНО-МЕДИЦИНСКАЯ ТАНАТОЛОГИЯ
Насильственная смерть всегда обусловлена воздействием на организм человека внешних факторов (физических, химических и пр.). Насильственную смерть подразделяют на три рода: убийство, самоубийство и несчастный случай.
Ненасильственная смерть обусловлена заболеваниями, старческой дряхлостью или физическим недоразвитием.
Основными видами насильственной смерти являются:https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D1%81%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%82%D1%8C
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