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General Discussion / Re: The exhumation is not Semyon Zolotarev

« Last post by GlennM on May 09, 2024, 07:37:29 PM »

Conclusion Hemorrhages in the skin (in the dermis), heart muscle and soft tissues, in the region of the rib fracture without a cellular reaction.

29/V 1959 Forensic medical expert Ganz

I am interpreting the finding written above to mean  that heart and soft tissues were cut or burst by a rib fracture. Further, I am interpreting a cellular reaction as meaning such changes to the damaged area consistent and associated with healing such as swelling, inflamation, white blood cell and platelets migration to the wound. Since there was no cellular reaction, I conclude the fracture and hemorrages occurred after death, the victim being crushed under a heavy weight of snow against a rocky surface. In short, the victim died of exposure and then sustained damage after death.

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General Discussion / Re: The exhumation is not Semyon Zolotaryov

« Last post by Axelrod on May 09, 2024, 03:48:52 PM »

So I want to ask about measurement units. In English texts, instead of height in centimeters, I meet only feet and inches.
To understand what this means, I bookmarked the correspondence table.

https://www.hockey.dn.ua/index.php/tablitsy-razmerov/155-tablitsa-perevoda-futov-i-dyujmov-v-santimetry


172 cm = 5′ 8″
173 cm = 5′ 8″
174 cm = 5′ 8″

that is, the English use archaic, coarser units of measurement.
I encountered such sloppiness and inaccuracy in the Russian language only in the story “Mumu” about the growth of Gerasim (writer Turgenev).

Does this mean that the English crime report will record Zolotaryov's height as 5′ 8″, which makes one suspect an even greater discrepancy with what was found in the grave?

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General Discussion / Re: The exhumation is not Semyon Zolotarev

« Last post by eurocentric on May 09, 2024, 09:47:55 AM »

I'm convinced by the dental match. That's how modern forensics works for any John Doe, that and DNA.

The pathologist did not seem to have access to x-ray so may have made mistakes when detailing fractures. The x-ray plates would be part of the case-files if he had. It's also possible that bones could break during settlement or if someone stood on the grave.

It's either that or someone put Semyon's skull in a grave with someone else's body, which is the only other conclusion to be drawn from this thread. And thus Theory #98 is born...

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General Discussion / Re: The exhumation is not Semyon Zolotarev

« Last post by Ziljoe on May 09, 2024, 09:03:26 AM »

This is the video link to Semyon Zolotarev exhumation. There is commentary but it's all in Russian. Close ups of the skull and ribs with discussion. Those members that speak Russian might find something useful.

Personally , I think, all the evidence fits that it is  Semyon Zolotarev.


src="https://www.kp.ru/video/embed/651425

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General Discussion / Re: The exhumation is not Semyon Zolotarev

« Last post by anna_pycckux on May 09, 2024, 08:03:52 AM »

We must ask Natalia Varsegova all the questions about Semyon Zolotarev. This journalist had a power of attorney from Semyon's relatives to collect materials to find out the cause of his death. At Natalia's suggestion, an exhumation was carried out and all examinations should be carried out. But we still don't know who's in the grave. Regarding tattoos: there is a single photo from the morgue of one hand with tattoos. It is unclear to whom this hand belongs. Precisely because Natalia Varsegova was involved in the investigation of Zolotarev (for a salary!) – the information on Zolotarev remains so confusing.

In the photo, we see the Semyon next to the training participants. And we see that most likely his height was higher than 172, and he did not have tattoos. There was no fashion for tattoos in the 50s. Tattoos were mostly carried out by former prisoners.

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General Discussion / Re: The exhumation is not Semyon Zolotarev

« Last post by Teddy on May 08, 2024, 01:42:32 PM »

Can we know the approximate height of the skeleton and the exact height of Zolo?

Have you seen Semyon Zolotaryov's height recorded anywhere?
https://dyatlovpass.com/semyon-zolotaryov

Was he not a soldier?  Did he not have an ID card? Forgive my innocence, but I thought it would be an easy thing.

I have published all the documents I have access to. I don't see height mentioned anywhere in his papers. Also, what does it prove? If a skull superimposition is not enough then I don't see how a height could be more relevant.
It is good to know, but I don't know his height before the morgue. On the autopsy table he was 172 cm. Is this the height of the exhumed body I don't know.

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General Discussion / Re: The radioactive trace on the Dyatlov Pass

« Last post by GlennM on May 08, 2024, 12:28:01 PM »

Another clever saying

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General Discussion / Re: The exhumation is not Semyon Zolotarev

« Last post by GlennM on May 08, 2024, 12:26:02 PM »

Can we know the approximate height of the skeleton and the exact height of Zolo?

Have you seen Semyon Zolotaryov's height recorded anywhere?
https://dyatlovpass.com/semyon-zolotaryov

Was he not a soldier?  Did he not have an ID card? Forgive my innocence, but I thought it would be an easy thing.

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General Discussion / Re: The exhumation is not Semyon Zolotarev

« Last post by Teddy on May 08, 2024, 11:29:02 AM »

Alexey Rakitin is a pen-name of a group of people who started with science fiction like "Cossacks in Space"
They wrote that Zolotaryov had golden teeth which he obviously doesn't.

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General Discussion / Re: The exhumation is not Semyon Zolotarev

« Last post by Arjan on May 08, 2024, 11:14:55 AM »

50 % or less of the answer to the question: 'Can we know the approximate height of the skeleton and the exact height of Zolo?'

The autopsy report of the body who had been investigated under the name of 'Aleksander Alekseevich Zolotaryov', states:

'Findings after the removal of the clothes: the body is male of satisfactory nutrition and proper constitution with a length of 172 cm'

After studying this case for more than 5 years, reading most material available, and following discussions on facebook groups and Dyatlovpass.com,

I am not fully convinced that it has been Semyon who had been investigated by the coroner.

If the description about Semyon in the work or the journalist collective Aleksej Rakitin is correct, than Semyon has very probably been a person with disguises.

Next to this, during several stages of the Great War, it had been not hard for soldiers to shift identity, e.g.: by taken identity papers of companions (e.g. who had died).
Source: Schlechter, Brandon M., The Stuff of Soldiers - A History of the Red Army in World War II through Objects.

Last remarks from my side:

1. the dead body on the table of the coroner under the name of Semyon may have been a local guide: this local guide had known the source in the ravine. He had guided Lyudmila and Thibo to this source for fetching water.
Hint: the tattoos on his arm

2. the person Semyon as described by Aleksej Rakitin had easily been able to survive the fatal night for 7 group members, by staying in the tent together with Zina and Rustem. The next morning he may have returned in the track made by the group before: in this manner, no trace of his return had been visible in the snow, except for a very well trained local person who had been able the track of returning skis in the original track.