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Factual Information => Expeditions to the Dyatlov Pass => Topic started by: Олег Таймень on April 16, 2023, 11:18:35 AM
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Expedition plan:
July 17 train from Yekaterinburg to Ivdel
Train:
From Ekb on July 17 (Monday) train No. 127 departing at 17.28 places, car 5.
Arrives in Ivdel on July 18 (Tue) at 02.51 local.
On July 18, transfer to the ford of Auspiya with Dmitry Pushin on gas-66 and crossing 10-12 km. up the river Auspiya.
On July 19, the transition to the parking lot of Yu.K. Kuntsevich
From July 20 to July 27, individual and joint expedition activities in the area from the Dyatlov Pass to Otorten.
July 27-28 or July 28 the main group of participants descends to the ford of Auspiya
On July 29, the main group of participants will be transported by car to the Ivdel railway station or bus station. In the evening boarding a train or bus to Yekaterinburg.
Train:
From Ivdel to Yekb on July 29 (Sat) train No. 128 departing at 22.14 places, car 4.
Arrives in Ekb July 30 (Sun) at 07.48 local.
The second part of the expedition
July 27 or 28 transition to GUKh
July 29, the transition to the place where Valery Anyamov found a piece-wafer of the rocket skin. Area radiation measurements. Looking for other pieces
July 30, 31, August 1,2,3 going through a temporary portal to another dimension and studying ancient artifacts, megaliths and caves. The search for secret huts of poachers of the USSR. Enjoy the unique remote mountainous nature of the Northern Urals. Crossings without trails for 5-6 km. per day with evening fishing for trophy grayling. We don’t take fish out of the portal, we only eat it exclusively.
On August 4, the transition to the hut on the Khozya River
August 5 day at Khozya's hut
On August 6, crossing towards the Mt. Halatchakhl
August 7, crossing to the Kuntsevich camp
August 8 crossing down the Auspiya
August 9, crossing to the ford of Auspiya, searching for the Mansi labaz
Third part of the expedition
On August 10, crossing to Lozva 5 km., Searching for the Mansi storage shed
August 11 rafting to 2 Northern. The search for the exact location of the former house where the Dyatlov group spent the night
August 12 rafting to Treskolie, studying the life of the Mansi. Fishing throughout the rafting.
August 13 rafting to Ushma, search for the remains of a hut at the mouth of Ushminka from a tourist report of 1958
August 14 day in Ushma, search for the remains of a hut at the mouth of the Ushminka from a tourist report of 1958
August 15 rafting up to 41 quarters, exploring the territory
August 16 rafting to the 55 quarter
August 17 rafting to the mouth of the river Kotlia
August 18 rafting to Vizhay
August 19 moving to Ivdel
August 20 arrival in Yekaterinburg
August 21, 22 by train to Novokuznetsk
(+ two or three days for bad weather during the rafting)
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The project is not commercial. I invite everyone to join for any period of the expedition. Everyone has their own equipment, their own products and their own pot for autonomous food. It is possible to combine the process of preparing breakfast and dinner.
To Ivdel by railway transport. Pick-up and drop-off on a GAZ-66 (6-7 hours drive) to the ford of Auspiya costs 3.0-3.5 thousand rubles one way. Calculation with the driver on the spot.
Flights are not every day. You need to find out and agree in advance.
Or you can book the whole car for yourself for 22-25 thousand rubles, where 10-11 people with backpacks fit.
Those wishing to join, write. I can tell you all the incomprehensible nuances and details in a personal, I will answer questions.
Предварительный план экспедиции:
17 июля поезд из Екатеринбурга до Ивделя
Поезд:
Из Екб на 17 июля (пн) поезд № 127 отправлением в 17.28 мест, вагон 5.
Прибывает в Ивдель 18 июля (вт) в 02.51 местного.
18 июля заброска на брод Ауспии с Дмитрием Пушиным на газ-66 и переход 10-12 км. вверх по реке Ауспия.
19 июля переход до стоянки Ю.К.Кунцевича
С 20 по 27 июля индивидуальные и совместные мероприятия экспедиции в районе от перевала Дятлова до Отортена.
27-28 июля или 28 июля основная группа участников спускается до брода Ауспии
29 июля основная группа участников выбрасывается на машине до Ж\Д вокзала Ивделя или автовокзала. Вечером посадка в поезд или автобус до Екатеринбурга.
Поезд:
Из Ивделя в Екб на 29 июля (сб) поезд №128 отправлением в 22.14 мест, вагон 4.
Прибывает в Екб 30 июля (вс) в 07.48 местного.
Вторая часть экспедиции
27 или 28 июля переход на ГУХ
29 июля переход до места, где Валерием Анямовым был найден кусок-вафля обшивки ракеты. Замеры радиации местности. Поиски других кусков
30, 31 июля, 1,2,3 августа переход через временной портал в другое измерение и изучение древних артефактов, мегалитов и пещер. Поиски тайных изб браконьеров СССР. Наслаждение уникальной труднодоступной горной природой Северного Урала. Переходы без троп по 5-6 км. в день с вечерней рыбалкой на трофейного хариуса. Рыбу из портала не выносим, ей исключительно только питаемся.
4 августа переход до избы на реке Хозья
5 августа днёвка на избе Хозья
6 августа переход в сторону г.Халатчахль
7 августа переход до стоянки Кунцевича
8 августа переход вниз по Ауспии
9 августа переход до брода Ауспии, поиски мансийского лабаза
Третья часть экспедиции
10 августа переход до Лозьвы 5км., поиски мансийского лабаза
11 августа сплав до 2 Северного. Поиски точного место бывшего дома, в котором ночевала группа Дятлова
12 августа сплав до Тресколье, изучение быта манси. Рыбалка на протяжении всего сплава.
13 августа сплав до Ушмы, поиски остатков избы на устье Ушминки из туристического отчёта 1958 года
14 августа днёвка в Ушме, поиски остатков избы на устье Ушминки из туристического отчёта 1958 года
15 августа сплав до 41 квартала, изучение территории
16 августа сплав до 55 квартала
17 августа сплав до устья р.Котлия
18 августа сплав до п.Вижай
19 августа переезд до Ивделя
20 августа прибытие в Екатеринбург
21, 22 августа поездом до Новокузнецка
(+две-три днёвки на плохую погоду во время сплава)
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Проект не коммерческий. Приглашаю всех желающих присоединиться на любой промежуток экспедиции. У каждого своё снаряжение, свои продукты и свой котелок для автономного питания. Есть возможность объединить процесс приготовления завтрака и ужина.
До Ивделя Ж/Д транспортом. Заброска и выброска на ГАЗ-66 (6-7 часов езды) до брода Ауспии стоит 3,0-3,5 тыс. рублей в один конец. Расчёт с водителем на месте.
Рейсы не каждый день. Нужно заранее выяснять и договариваться.
Или можно забронировать под себя всю машину за 22-25 тыс. рублей, куда помещается 10-11 человек с рюкзаками.
Желающие присоединиться, пишите. Все непонятные нюансы и подробности могу рассказать в личку, отвечу на вопросы
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The start of the expedition has shifted by 2 days. The transfer from Ivdel to Auspiya will take place on July 18. Participants are already buying train tickets by this date
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I ask you to write your wishes to the expedition members about the experiments that need to be carried out.
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I ask you to write your wishes to the expedition members about the experiments that need to be carried out.
1. in the summer, it is not correct to conduct experiments in accordance with Dyatlov's February campaign.
2. Your route is the same all the time, isn't it time to introduce something new?
3. Wishes: change the route, explore the territory of the military unit 6602 Ivdellaga. I assume that after the murder, the tourists were buried for some time on the territory of the Ivdellag. The killers may also have been vohrovtsy Ivdellaga. The search engines were the military of Ivdellag. Military unit 6602 existed in the 80s. You can explore these places.
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I ask you to write your wishes to the expedition members about the experiments that need to be carried out.
Because the Mansi were told not to use local streams, this maintained for years after the DPI, and all males bar one were said to be ill at home when the hikers died, and their deer had been dying off, I'd be interested in water samples being taken, particularly from the watercourse close to where the hikers made their labaz.
Ideally such samples should be taken in winter when the water flow reduces and the rivers are covered in ice and snow which blocks off light and may stagnate the water, but summer samples may act as a control.
I believe the hikers took a chance, pushed for time that morning making their labaz, collecting lots of firewood, and without a campfire to melt snow or boil water for hot drinks in their flasks, they filled up their flasks for the next 24hrs at altitude with unsterilised water, and later, sat eating and drinking in their part-erected tent, they suffered a poisoning, causing high fever and stomach cramps, and this saw them leave to find a freshwater ravine between two peaks, and possibly to take the tin of condensed milk found at the cedar with them, as water or milk are the medical antidotes in such circumstances.
At the foot of 1079 the group included people then too ill to return to the tent. The intention, on a still night (tent not fully supported/matches lit a fire) was never to remain away which is why they didn't take tools, so an ill-equipped battle for survival took place where they were. All injuries are explained by seizures, fluid around mouths, convulsions near a fire causing burns where two men already prone do not suffer fractures, biting into a tongue, and flail chests and head injuries through collapse without any attempt to break the fall (no broken collar bones or hand/wrist injury). A den was made to house 4 while 3 returned to the tent, but by the time it was completed the 4 had died or become unreponsive and their bodies were placed in the ravine, or they had been sheltered there while it was made.
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I ask you to write your wishes to the expedition members about the experiments that need to be carried out.
Because the Mansi were told not to use local streams, this maintained for years after the DPI, and all males bar one were said to be ill at home when the hikers died, and their deer had been dying off, I'd be interested in water samples being taken, particularly from the watercourse close to where the hikers made their labaz.
Ideally such samples should be taken in winter when the water flow reduces and the rivers are covered in ice and snow which blocks off light and may stagnate the water, but summer samples may act as a control.
I believe the hikers took a chance, pushed for time that morning making their labaz, collecting lots of firewood, and without a campfire to melt snow or boil water for hot drinks in their flasks, they filled up their flasks for the next 24hrs at altitude with unsterilised water, and later, sat eating and drinking in their part-erected tent, they suffered a poisoning, causing high fever and stomach cramps, and this saw them leave to find a freshwater ravine between two peaks, and possibly to take the tin of condensed milk found at the cedar with them, as water or milk are the medical antidotes in such circumstances.
At the foot of 1079 the group included people then too ill to return to the tent. The intention, on a still night (tent not fully supported/matches lit a fire) was never to remain away which is why they didn't take tools, so an ill-equipped battle for survival took place where they were. All injuries are explained by seizures, fluid around mouths, convulsions near a fire causing burns where two men already prone do not suffer fractures, biting into a tongue, and flail chests and head injuries through collapse without any attempt to break the fall (no broken collar bones or hand/wrist injury). A den was made to house 4 while 3 returned to the tent, but by the time it was completed the 4 had died or become unreponsive and their bodies were placed in the ravine, or they had been sheltered there while it was made.
All the upper reaches of the rivers and streams of the Northern Urals with crystal clear water, which is much cleaner than the water that flows from the tap in Russian cities. All tourists drink it without boiling. No one ever carries other water with them. We drink. And everyone who came there before us drinks. If we take the place of the storehouse, then in the summer of 1963, from the nearest source of water, a tributary of the Auspiya River, the Yakimenko tourist group stood there for several days and drank water. The searchers of 1959 drank the same water in winter. They drank for a long time .. No one takes water from the swamps They take cold water that flows
Все верховья рек и ручьёв Северного Урала с кристально-чистой водой, которая намного чище, чем та вода, которая течёт из крана в российских городах. Все туристы её пьют без кипячения. Другую воду с собой никто никогда не несёт.. Мы пьём. И пьют все, кто приходил туда до нас.. Если взять именно место лабаза, то летом 1963 года из ближайшего источника воды, притока реки Ауспия, туристическая группа Якименко стояли там несколько дней и пили воду. Поисковики 1959 года пили эту же воду зимой. Пили долгое время.. Из болот никто воду не берёт Берут холодную воду, которая течёт
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3. Wishes: change the route, explore the territory of the military unit 6602 Ivdellaga.
I even admit that, for example, the remains of Kolevatov and Thibault (whose posthumous photos we have not seen because of, for example, obvious bullet wounds) may still rest in the Ivdel pit, and for witnesses, the remains of unknown people were laid out on the pass. The same thing could have happened to Luda Dubinina, who cannot be identified in a post-mortem photograph, and an unknown well-fed lady was found in the stream, whose face is not shown or photographed. Undoubtedly, there were many unmarked graves in Ivdellag.
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Changing the preliminary plan of the expedition
I ask the moderators to change the first post to a new one: Done [Teddy]
Expedition plan:
July 17 train from Yekaterinburg to Ivdel
Train:
From Ekb on July 17 (Monday) train No. 127 departing at 17.28 places, car 5.
Arrives in Ivdel on July 18 (Tue) at 02.51 local.
On July 18, transfer to the ford of Auspiya with Dmitry Pushin on gas-66 and crossing 10-12 km. up the river Auspiya.
On July 19, the transition to the parking lot of Yu.K. Kuntsevich
From July 20 to July 27, individual and joint expedition activities in the area from the Dyatlov Pass to Otorten.
July 27-28 or July 28 the main group of participants descends to the ford of Auspiya
On July 29, the main group of participants will be transported by car to the Ivdel railway station or bus station. In the evening boarding a train or bus to Yekaterinburg.
Train:
From Ivdel to Yekb on July 29 (Sat) train No. 128 departing at 22.14 places, car 4.
Arrives in Ekb July 30 (Sun) at 07.48 local.
The second part of the expedition
July 27 or 28 transition to GUKh
July 29, the transition to the place where Valery Anyamov found a piece-wafer of the rocket skin. Area radiation measurements. Looking for other pieces
July 30, 31, August 1,2,3 going through a temporary portal to another dimension and studying ancient artifacts, megaliths and caves. The search for secret huts of poachers of the USSR. Enjoy the unique remote mountainous nature of the Northern Urals. Crossings without trails for 5-6 km. per day with evening fishing for trophy grayling. We don’t take fish out of the portal, we only eat it exclusively.
On August 4, the transition to the hut on the Khozya River
August 5 day at Khozya's hut
On August 6, crossing towards the Mt. Halatchakhl
August 7, crossing to the Kuntsevich camp
August 8 crossing down the Auspiya
August 9, crossing to the ford of Auspiya, searching for the Mansi labaz
Third part of the expedition
On August 10, crossing to Lozva 5 km., Searching for the Mansi storage shed
August 11 rafting to 2 Northern. The search for the exact location of the former house where the Dyatlov group spent the night
August 12 rafting to Treskolie, studying the life of the Mansi. Fishing throughout the rafting.
August 13 rafting to Ushma, search for the remains of a hut at the mouth of Ushminka from a tourist report of 1958
August 14 day in Ushma, search for the remains of a hut at the mouth of the Ushminka from a tourist report of 1958
August 15 rafting up to 41 quarters, exploring the territory
August 16 rafting to the 55 quarter
August 17 rafting to the mouth of the river Kotlia
August 18 rafting to Vizhay
August 19 moving to Ivdel
August 20 arrival in Yekaterinburg
August 21, 22 by train to Novokuznetsk
(+ two or three days for bad weather during the rafting)
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The project is not commercial. I invite everyone to join for any period of the expedition. Everyone has their own equipment, their own products and their own pot for autonomous food. It is possible to combine the process of preparing breakfast and dinner.
To Ivdel by railway transport. Pick-up and drop-off on a GAZ-66 (6-7 hours drive) to the ford of Auspiya costs 3.0-3.5 thousand rubles one way. Calculation with the driver on the spot.
Flights are not every day. You need to find out and agree in advance.
Or you can book the whole car for yourself for 22-25 thousand rubles, where 10-11 people with backpacks fit.
Those wishing to join, write. I can tell you all the incomprehensible nuances and details in a personal, I will answer questions.
Изменение предварительного плана экспедиции
Прошу модераторов изменить первый пост на новый: Done [Teddy]
Предварительный план экспедиции:
17 июля поезд из Екатеринбурга до Ивделя
Поезд:
Из Екб на 17 июля (пн) поезд № 127 отправлением в 17.28 мест, вагон 5.
Прибывает в Ивдель 18 июля (вт) в 02.51 местного.
18 июля заброска на брод Ауспии с Дмитрием Пушиным на газ-66 и переход 10-12 км. вверх по реке Ауспия.
19 июля переход до стоянки Ю.К.Кунцевича
С 20 по 27 июля индивидуальные и совместные мероприятия экспедиции в районе от перевала Дятлова до Отортена.
27-28 июля или 28 июля основная группа участников спускается до брода Ауспии
29 июля основная группа участников выбрасывается на машине до Ж\Д вокзала Ивделя или автовокзала. Вечером посадка в поезд или автобус до Екатеринбурга.
Поезд:
Из Ивделя в Екб на 29 июля (сб) поезд №128 отправлением в 22.14 мест, вагон 4.
Прибывает в Екб 30 июля (вс) в 07.48 местного.
Вторая часть экспедиции
27 или 28 июля переход на ГУХ
29 июля переход до места, где Валерием Анямовым был найден кусок-вафля обшивки ракеты. Замеры радиации местности. Поиски других кусков
30, 31 июля, 1,2,3 августа переход через временной портал в другое измерение и изучение древних артефактов, мегалитов и пещер. Поиски тайных изб браконьеров СССР. Наслаждение уникальной труднодоступной горной природой Северного Урала. Переходы без троп по 5-6 км. в день с вечерней рыбалкой на трофейного хариуса. Рыбу из портала не выносим, ей исключительно только питаемся.
4 августа переход до избы на реке Хозья
5 августа днёвка на избе Хозья
6 августа переход в сторону г.Халатчахль
7 августа переход до стоянки Кунцевича
8 августа переход вниз по Ауспии
9 августа переход до брода Ауспии, поиски мансийского лабаза
Третья часть экспедиции
10 августа переход до Лозьвы 5км., поиски мансийского лабаза
11 августа сплав до 2 Северного. Поиски точного место бывшего дома, в котором ночевала группа Дятлова
12 августа сплав до Тресколье, изучение быта манси. Рыбалка на протяжении всего сплава.
13 августа сплав до Ушмы, поиски остатков избы на устье Ушминки из туристического отчёта 1958 года
14 августа днёвка в Ушме, поиски остатков избы на устье Ушминки из туристического отчёта 1958 года
15 августа сплав до 41 квартала, изучение территории
16 августа сплав до 55 квартала
17 августа сплав до устья р.Котлия
18 августа сплав до п.Вижай
19 августа переезд до Ивделя
20 августа прибытие в Екатеринбург
21, 22 августа поездом до Новокузнецка
(+две-три днёвки на плохую погоду во время сплава)
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Проект не коммерческий. Приглашаю всех желающих присоединиться на любой промежуток экспедиции. У каждого своё снаряжение, свои продукты и свой котелок для автономного питания. Есть возможность объединить процесс приготовления завтрака и ужина.
До Ивделя Ж/Д транспортом. Заброска и выброска на ГАЗ-66 (6-7 часов езды) до брода Ауспии стоит 3,0-3,5 тыс. рублей в один конец. Расчёт с водителем на месте.
Рейсы не каждый день. Нужно заранее выяснять и договариваться.
Или можно забронировать под себя всю машину за 22-25 тыс. рублей, куда помещается 10-11 человек с рюкзаками.
Желающие присоединиться, пишите. Все непонятные нюансы и подробности могу рассказать в личку, отвечу на вопросы
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So far the Expedition consists of 7:
A. Alekseenkov, Sh. Sabirov, A. Konstantinov, Teodora, Irina Voronina and Olga and me. There are still 3-4 places in the GAZ-66 that will give us a lift.
Уже семь участников Экспедиции
А.Алексеенков, Ш.Сабиров, А.Константинов, Теодора, Ирина Воронина и мы с Ольгой. Осталось 3-4 места в ГАЗ-66 на заброску.
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July 30, 31, August 1,2,3 going through a temporary portal to another dimension and studying ancient artifacts, megaliths and caves. The search for secret huts of poachers of the USSR. Enjoy the unique remote mountainous nature of the Northern Urals. Crossings without trails for 5-6 km. per day with evening fishing for trophy grayling. We don’t take fish out of the portal, we only eat it exclusively.
Gotta love Google translate lol2
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Actually this time Google is pretty close to what Oleg is saying. It sounds this weird in Russian too. Can't wait and see. I am going.
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This is not spam. I suggested Oleg to take an experienced and fearless hiker to the vacant place. I wanted to delete an extra photo, but there is no "edit" function on the forum.
I was hoping that Oleg would thank me that I had found a worthy candidate for an empty seat.
finally, the "edit" function appeared.
I think you should go, Anna.
"This is intrepid Anna reporting from Dyatlov Pass via satellite/Android. Today we find smoking gun. Oleg's metal detector has dug up KGB-issue pistol, circa 1958!"
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Expedition 2023 already has ten participants
В экспедиции 2023 уже десять участников
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For me, in this expedition, the most important task is to search for and examine this iron pipe, which was found in 2008 by Yuri Yudin and Leonid Rokotyan.
Для меня в этой экспедиции важнейшей задачей является поиск и обследование вот этой железной трубы, которая была найдена в 2008 году Юрием Юдиным и Леонидом Рокотяном.
(https://i.ibb.co/84TXDPb/13.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zHjNhPF)
Is there carbon deposits inside the pipe? Was the pipe used for the stove in the tent of the searchers and why was it thrown away?
Or is it a drilling casing that belonged to geologists?
This pipe was found 150-200 meters below the ravine and flooring, on the 4th right tributary of the Lozva, not far from the four bodies.
Есть ли нагар внутри трубы? Применялась ли труба для печи в палатке поисковиков и почему её выкинули?
Или это обсадная труба для бурения, которая принадлежала геологам?
Эта труба была найдена на 150-200 метров ниже оврага и настила, на 4 правом притоке Лозьвы, совсем недалеко от четвёрки тел.
On the expedition of 2022, we met a hermit who lives 70 kilometers west of Mount Halatchakhl. He assured us that in the region of Mount Otorten, under the USSR, tests were carried out for charges for underground nuclear explosions.
For such explosions, wells are drilled and a nuclear charge is lowered underground through a casing pipe.
I talked about this in more detail in this video:
В экспедиции 2022 года мы встретили отшельника, который живёт в 70 километрах к западу от горы Халатчахль. Он нас уверял, что в районе горы Отортен при СССР проводились испытание зарядов для подземных ядерных взрывов.
Для подобных взрывов бурятся скважины и по обсадной трубе под землю опускается ядерный заряд.
Более подробно об этом я рассказал в этом видео:
https://youtu.be/0iNgULeEomQ?t=2123 (https://youtu.be/0iNgULeEomQ?t=2123)
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Right there with you.
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And was it carefully lowered down from a helicopter to a work zone, or dropped from the sky...
1:47 to 1:51 in this Youtube clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp1JiSuRyek
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From the album "Northern Geological Expedition" (https://dyatlovpass.com/northern-geological-expedition#photos)
(https://dyatlovpass.com/resources/340/gallery/Northern-Geological-Expedition-335.jpg)
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There were no signs of a nuclear explosion:
1. all the trees are intact, the search engines did not notice the massive fallen trees.
2. The tent is intact, it was cut by M. Sharavin.
3. The bodies are whole, not torn to pieces.
4. Animals were not lying dead everywhere. In M . Askinazi told how they caught non-frightened quails with their own hands.
5. The search engines reported that there were no signs of a military training ground on the pass, no scattered iron.
6. The Sports Commission let the tourists through without any problems.
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2. The tent is intact, it was cut by M. Sharavin.
Certainly not from the inside.
Anna, you say it was cut by Sharavin. It might well have had more cuts from outside.
But they found some of the cuts showed attempts from the inside.
Teddy is responding that Sharavin certainly did not cut the tent from the inside.
There is nothing strange here. The cuts from the inside do not fit into Annushka's version. Therefore, she does not notice them and ignores them. All researchers do the same thing - they manipulate the facts to fit their versions and do not notice the facts that contradict these versions. That is why the tragedy has not yet been solved
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There is nothing strange here................
The liquidators, having completed the task, ....................
That's what it says in my book. There is not a single known fact that does not fit into my version.
« There is nothing strange here » :
The tree contract killers having completed the task (2 February, 7 AM) rested in the tent, which was still intact. Then they feasted on some of the good food left by the hikers. (It has to be said that the three murderers had not eaten much since leaving North-2).
In accordance with their mission, they had just left very visible traces of their action on the bodies of Zolotariov and Dubinina.
Now (2 February 1959, 1 PM) they had also to leave evidence of their presence on the hikers' equipment: a few random stabs in the tent canvas were all that was needed ! (they mistakenly thought).
« That's what it says in my TOK theory. There is not a single known fact that does not fit into my TOK version. »
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I am loading photos from this expedition here, but I am not done yet, the way I have grouped the photos the last batch will be published August 18, Friday → https://dyatlovpass.com/expedition-2023
After that Oleg Taymen will take over with a full documentary. Olga and Oleg Taymen stayed in the mountains till August 13. I still haven't heard from them, but their road back home is couple of days.
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Teddy,
I have been following your photos and narrative of the 2023 expedition very closely and with keen interest. It is wonderful that your group is doing this and I truly hope you can go back again next year.
Shura's reconstruction with the plastic cut-outs at the creek is intriguing. It changes what I had pictured in my mind to see where the den was, in relation to the bodies. Does Shura have a theory, or a favorite theory?
It is frightening to hear about you getting lost and encountering a bear with cubs. How did you get away?
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I am going to write about Shura's theory and what was the experiment with the "mannequins" about tomorrow. I heard it when we met with Karelin and Shura told him how his believes changed. I was dumbfounded.
About the bear - it is a story that I will tell when I am ready, still processing. Sometimes I have the feeling that the bear ate me and all this is a dream. I feel weird. I have always been very healthy and now my blood panel looks like I need new heart and liver. I am all over the chart. Doctors say this can't be and that I need another test.
So if I live I will tell the story, give me a little time. Soon.
I am still afraid7 https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9k-zv_RXFHE?feature=share
Oleg and Olga Taymen checked in. They are back home.
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Now I am more anxious than ever. I will try to be patient.
thanky1
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So if I live I will tell the story, give me a little time. Soon.
Тедди, желаем скорого выздоровления. Ждем рассказа о вашем походе и находках. Меня особенно интересуют находки, связанные с военными (которые могли быть ликвидаторами группы и о которых говорил Хамза Сюникаев).
Teddy, we wish you a speedy recovery. We are waiting for a story about your journey and discoveries. I am particularly interested in finds related to the military (which could have been liquidators of tourists and which Hamza Syunikaev spoke about).
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Does Shura have a theory, or a favorite theory?
I dug up Shura's theory from 2012 (https://dyatlovpass.com/alekseenkov?rbid=18461) but it is now quite different. The hikers in the den died from the snow accumulation that collapsed on top of them, everything is different. I won't take the initiative to explain it before he does.
You can watch the videos, they are very interesting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOVmADGlX2Y&list=PLQUaBB5B8ds5kQyCbh9oBIHKApv9_CT72&index=11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qpJi6iNWF0&list=PLQUaBB5B8ds5kQyCbh9oBIHKApv9_CT72&index=12
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sH-3jOO9QI0&list=PLQUaBB5B8ds5kQyCbh9oBIHKApv9_CT72&index=13
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I am going to write about Shura's theory and what was the experiment with the "mannequins" about tomorrow. I heard it when we met with Karelin and Shura told him how his believes changed. I was dumbfounded.
About the bear - it is a story that I will tell when I am ready, still processing. Sometimes I have the feeling that the bear ate me and all this is a dream. I feel weird. I have always been very healthy and now my blood panel looks like I need new heart and liver. I am all over the chart. Doctors say this can't be and that I need another test.
So if I live I will tell the story, give me a little time. Soon.
I am still afraid7 https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9k-zv_RXFHE?feature=share
Oleg and Olga Taymen checked in. They are back home.
Sending you best wishes Teddy. You are always emotionally engaged in the DPI, one of the mystery's biggest obsessives, take time to rest and recover, it's been 64 years, solving things can wait a little longer.
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Sending you best wishes Teddy. You are always emotionally engaged in the DPI, one of the mystery's biggest obsessives, take time to rest and recover, it's been 64 years, solving things can wait a little longer.
My heartfelt thanks! But it is only the Bear I am not ready to talk about.
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I want to ask about a new monument
erected 2 years ago.
Is it still present or absent?
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I want to ask about a new monument
erected 2 years ago.
Is it still present or absent?
(https://i.ibb.co/CBwN3ZQ/DSC03362.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Y2NYFMh)
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We found a large warehouse of used cans under the turf on an area of 10 square meters.
Are those search engine banks from 1959?
Or are these banks of soldiers who cleared the scene of the tragedy and collected the debris of the fallen rocket?
Any large group of people should leave significant traces of their stay at the scene of the tragedy. The searchers lived in tents and had a lot of canned food with them .. The alleged stagers, clearing the area, also had to live somewhere and eat something ..
We have a new task to determine the warehouse of used cans. Whose is he? It's not clear yet..
Обнаружили большой склад использованных консервных банок под дёрном на площади 10 квадратных метров.
Это банки поисковиков 1959 года?
Или это банки солдат, которые зачищали место трагедии и собирали обломки упавшей ракеты?
Любая большая группа людей должна оставить значительные следы своего пребывания в месте трагедии. Поисковики жили в палатках и имели при себе много консервированных продуктов.. Предполагаемые инсценировщики, зачищая местность, тоже должны были где-то жить и чем-то питаться..
У нас появилась новая задача по определению склада использованных консервных банок. Чей он? Пока не ясно..
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Under the turf, between the banks, they found an ax with a rubberized handle ..
Под дёрном, между банками, нашли топор с обрезиненной ручкой..
(https://forumupload.ru/uploads/001b/ce/12/2/t648610.jpg) (https://forumupload.ru/uploads/001b/ce/12/2/648610.jpg)
(https://forumupload.ru/uploads/001b/ce/12/2/t72042.jpg) (https://forumupload.ru/uploads/001b/ce/12/2/72042.jpg)
(https://forumupload.ru/uploads/001b/ce/12/2/t781788.jpg) (https://forumupload.ru/uploads/001b/ce/12/2/781788.jpg)
(https://forumupload.ru/uploads/001b/ce/12/2/t293404.jpg) (https://forumupload.ru/uploads/001b/ce/12/2/293404.jpg)
(https://forumupload.ru/uploads/001b/ce/12/2/t367028.jpg) (https://forumupload.ru/uploads/001b/ce/12/2/367028.jpg)
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An ax, a hammer and a nail puller in one bottle.
Here are some videos about similar axes:
Топор, молоток и гвоздодёр в одном флаконе.
Вот немного видео о подобных топорах:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBp0I5dIMis
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Our hatchet has a damaged handle just in the place where information about its price could have been.
Now we do not know what year this ax was made. If before 1961, then the price on the ax handle should not have been. If the release of the ax after the monetary reform of 1961, then the price should stand. It would cost from 2 to 6 rubles. Most likely 2.5 rubles.
У нашего топорика повреждена ручка как раз в том месте, где могла бы быть информация о его цене.
Теперь мы не знаем, какого года выпуска этот топор. Если до 1961 года, то цены на ручке топора не должно было быть. Если выпуск топора после денежной реформы 1961 года, то цена должна стоять. Он стоил бы от 2 до 6 рублей. Скорее всего 2,5 рубля.
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The progenitor of the first sample of the hatchet "Tourist" was a sample of the hatchet from the American company "Estwing" USA.
This model is still produced and has a type-setting leather handle. Initially, there was a rubber, wooden and type-setting leather option.
The model that served as the basis for copying has been produced since the 40s.
The three main plants that produced all-metal axes according to one GOST are "RMZ" (Rybinsk Motor-Building Plant", "UMZ" (Ufa Motor-Building Plant - a branch of "RMZ" which was evacuated from Rybinsk to Ufa during the Great Patriotic War) and "KhSZ" ( Kharkiv Machine Tool Plant). Initially, they made hatchets almost similar in appearance. They were made according to one GOST (TU) and external differences were almost minimal. Particularly similar and looked like twins, hatchets from "RMZ" (a fish over a ball) and "UMZ" ( sign M in a rhombus ) They had rubber handles The hatchet from " KhSZ " was also very similar , but did not have a tide ( thickening ) at the entrance to the handle , the handle was made of plastic and despite all the similarity in shape , had a small and insignificant difference.The cost of axes was 2 rubles 50 kopecks, which was displayed on the handle of the axes.There were also options with the application of the year of manufacture (on the hatchets "RMZ" and "UMZ") and on all hatchets, except for "Export" had factory badges manufacturer,
"Export" axes were produced in Rybinsk at "RMZ" and sold abroad by the Foreign Trade Association "Novoexport" and marked with the badge "NE", the signature "Novoexport" Moscow and the inscription "Made in USSR".
After the axes were awarded the Quality mark, they began to cast it on the handles of the axes.
Also, the plant "RMZ" produced a version of the Fire hatchet and differed from the Tourist version only in the presence of a gaff, instead of a butt, and the absence of a nail puller.
The handles of the Fire variant and the Tourist variant were the same (rubber) and had a molded price tag of 2 rubles. 50 kop.
Unlike the Touring variant, the Fireman was never sold. He was in service with the fire departments of various departments.
The fire hatchet was produced in Oxidized (Blackened / Blued) and Chrome-plated versions.
The fire version of the hatchet was produced in small batches and was not common.
And now it is a MEGA RARE (Single) copy!
There are practically no such samples even in fire museums.
All-metal tourist and fire axes had two zones hardened - the front part at the blade and the back part at the butt / gaff. The rest of the parts were practically not hardened.
Very often, the Tourist version of the hatchet cracked and even broke in the place where it drank under the nail puller.
This was due to the difference in the hardness of the metal .... As a rule, the hardening line began at the blade and ended close to the nail puller.
Contrary to the erroneous prevailing opinion, the hatchets were cast, not forged.
Mostly hatchets were oxidized (Blackened / Burnished) - "RMZ", "UMZ", "KhSZ" and Phosphated - "UMZ", "KhSZ", but very rarely Chromed versions were produced - "RMZ" (Fire and rarely Tourist), " KhSZ / KhSPO " ( especially in a shortened version complete with a knife ) .
Прародителем первого образца топорика " Туристического " явился образец топорика от американской фирмы " Estwing " USA.
Данная модель выпускается до сих пор и имеет наборную кожанную рукоять . Изначально был вариант резиновый , деревянный и наборный кожаный .
Модель послужившая основой для копирования выпускалась с 40 х годов .
Три основных завода которые выпускали цельнометаллические топорики по одному ГОСТу , это " РМЗ " ( Рыбинский Моторостроительный Завод " , " УМЗ " ( Уфимский Моторостроительный Завод - филиал " РМЗ " который эвакуировали из Рыбинска в Уфу во время Великой Отечественной войны ) и " ХСЗ " ( Харьковский Станкостроительный Завод ) . Изначально они делали топорики практически похожие внешне . Делались они по одному ГОСТу ( ТУ ) и внешние отличия были практически минимальны . Особенно были похожи и выглядели как близнецы , топорики от " РМЗ " ( рыбка над шариком ) и " УМЗ " ( знак М в ромбе ) . Они имели резиновые рукоятки . Топорик от " ХСЗ " также был очень похож , но не имел прилива ( утолщения ) на входе в рукоять , рукоять была сделана из пластмассы и при всей схожести по форме , имела небольшое и незначительное отличие . Стоимость топориков была 2 р. 50 коп . , что и было отображено на рукоятке топориков . Также имелись варианты с нанесением года выпуска ( на топориках " РМЗ " и " УМЗ " ) и на всех топориках , кроме " Экспортных " имели значки завода производителя ,
" Экспортные " топорики выпускались в Рыбинске на " РМЗ " и продавались за границу Внешнеторговым объединение " Novoexport " и маркировались значком " НЭ " , подписью " Novoexport " Moscow и надписью " Made in USSR " .
После присвоения топорикам знака Качества , его стали отливать на рукоятках топориков .
Также заводом " РМЗ " выпускался вариант Пожарного топорика и отличался от Туристического варианта только наличием багра , вместо обушка и отсутствием гвоздодёра .
Рукоятки у Пожарного варианта и Туристического были одинаковые ( резиновые ) и имели отлитый ценник 2 р. 50 коп.
В отличии от Туристического варианта , Пожарный никогда в продажу не поступал . Он стоял на вооружении пожарных частей разных ведомств .
Пожарный топорик выпускался в Оксидированном ( Чернёном / Воронёном ) и в Хромированном варантах .
Пожарный вариант топорика выпускался малыми партиями и встречался нечасто .
И в настоящее время является МЕГА РЕДКИМ ( Единичным ) экземпляром !
Даже в пожарных музеях данных образцов практически нет .
У цельнометаллических Туристических и Пожарных топориков закалялись две зоны - передняя часть у лезвия и задняя часть у обушка / багра . Остальные части были практически не закалёнными .
Очень часто Туристический вариант топорика трескался и даже ломался в месте выпила под гвоздодёр .
Это обуславливалось разницей в твёрдости металла .... Как правило линия закалки начиналась у лезвия и заканчивалась близко к гвоздодёру .
В отличие от ошибочного бытующего мнения топорики были литыми , а не коваными .
В основном топорики были Оксидированными ( Чернёными / Воронёнными ) - " РМЗ " , " УМЗ " , " ХСЗ " и Фосфатированными - " УМЗ " , " ХСЗ " , но очень редко выпускались Хромированные варианты - " РМЗ " ( Пожарный и редко Туристический ) , " ХСЗ / ХСПО " ( особенно в укороченном варианте в комплекте с ножом ) .
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Found hatchet manufactured by UMZ "(Ufa Motor-Building Plant - a branch of" RMZ "which was evacuated from Rybinsk to Ufa during the Great Patriotic War)
Найденный топорик производства УМЗ " ( Уфимский Моторостроительный Завод - филиал " РМЗ " который эвакуировали из Рыбинска в Уфу во время Великой Отечественной войны )
(https://forumupload.ru/uploads/001b/ce/12/2/t969601.jpg) (https://forumupload.ru/uploads/001b/ce/12/2/969601.jpg)
(https://forumupload.ru/uploads/001b/ce/12/2/t707246.jpg) (https://forumupload.ru/uploads/001b/ce/12/2/707246.jpg)
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Under the ax was this jar
Под топором была эта банка
(https://forumupload.ru/uploads/001b/ce/12/2/t806989.jpg) (https://forumupload.ru/uploads/001b/ce/12/2/806989.jpg)
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We continued to dig banks. We accumulated a lot. We chose a few with readable numbers and letters ..
Продолжили выкапывать банки. Накопали много. Выбрали несколько с читающимися цифрами и буквами..
(https://forumupload.ru/uploads/001b/ce/12/2/t524323.jpg) (https://forumupload.ru/uploads/001b/ce/12/2/524323.jpg)
(https://forumupload.ru/uploads/001b/ce/12/2/t317117.jpg) (https://forumupload.ru/uploads/001b/ce/12/2/317117.jpg)
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Found batteries
Нашли аккумуляторы
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For what purposes could search engines use such batteries? It's not clear yet..
And if this iron warehouse is not search engines, but the military, who cleared the area after the missile fell?
For what purpose could the military use such batteries? As an option - for portable radiometers:
Для каких целей могли применять подобные батареи поисковики? Пока не ясно..
А если этот склад железа не поисковиков, а военных, которые зачищали местность после падения ракеты?
Для какой цели могли применять подобные батареи военные? Как вариант - для портативных радиометров:
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This statement is not unambiguous.. But, it is worth considering.. So far we have not been able to find out whose iron was found in the forest, 200 meters from Kuntsevich's camp. Logically, next to the iron warehouse there should be a camp of searchers. (looking ahead, I’ll say that the warehouse of used cans of the spring camp of searchers on the Lozva tributary is located 10 meters from the site of the searchers’ tent). We could not find the winter camp of searchers near the garbage storage site. Shura Alekseenkov was intensively engaged in this. There is no result yet.
Это утверждение не однозначное.. Но, стоит задуматься.. Пока мы не смогли выяснить, чьё железо найдено в лесу, в 200 метров от лагеря Кунцевича. По логике, рядом со складом железа должен быть лагерь поисковиков. ( забегая вперёд, скажу, что склад использованных консервных банок весеннего лагеря поисковиков на притоке Лозьвы, находится в 10 метрах от места установки палатки поисковиков ).. Зимний лагерь поисковиков поблизости от местом складирования мусора найти не смогли. Этим усиленно занимался Шура Алексеенков. Результата пока нет.
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This is super interesting. Great work.
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I want to ask about a new monument
erected 2 years ago.
Is it still present or absent?
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It seems to be more durable than I expected.
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Can you tell for definite if the metal was buried intentionally or that if it was left on the ground and then nature covered it all?.
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Can you tell for definite if the metal was buried intentionally or that if it was left on the ground and then nature covered it all?.
I think the metal was not buried in the ground. On top was a layer of turf. Needles, leaves, roots, etc. Most likely, in winter it is difficult to bury these banks in the ground. The earth is frozen. Could only bury with snow
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Can you tell for definite if the metal was buried intentionally or that if it was left on the ground and then nature covered it all?.
We can tell - nature covered it all.
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Are the pictures of the ceder and could we have an English translation of what is said on the carving?
Would it also be possible to put the location of the new find, axe and tins on a map showing its location to the ceder , tent and searcher's campsite? grin1
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Are the pictures of the ceder and could we have an English translation of what is said on the carving?
Would it also be possible to put the location of the new find, axe and tins on a map showing its location to the ceder , tent and searcher's campsite? grin1
No one knows the exact coordinates of the winter camp of the searchers.
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Are the pictures of the ceder and could we have an English translation of what is said on the carving?
Would it also be possible to put the location of the new find, axe and tins on a map showing its location to the ceder , tent and searcher's campsite? grin1
The plate says:
Parking lot named after Yu.K. Kuntsevich, founder and head of the Dyatlov Group Memorial Fund
In this place, annually since 2008, the base camp of a research expedition dedicated to unraveling the death of tourists at the foot of Mount Kholat-Chakhl in 1959 has been located.
With love and eternal memory, Friends and followers.
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Are the pictures of the ceder and could we have an English translation of what is said on the carving?
Would it also be possible to put the location of the new find, axe and tins on a map showing its location to the ceder , tent and searcher's campsite? grin1
The plate says:
Parking lot named after Yu.K. Kuntsevich, founder and head of the Dyatlov Group Memorial Fund
In this place, annually since 2008, the base camp of a research expedition dedicated to unraveling the death of tourists at the foot of Mount Kholat-Chakhl in 1959 has been located.
With love and eternal memory, Friends and followers.
Now the Google Images service recognizes any text in a photo and immediately translates it into any language
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An ax, a hammer and a nail puller in one bottle.
Am curious about the nail puller. What group might have brought that along?
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Are the pictures of the ceder and could we have an English translation of what is said on the carving?
Would it also be possible to put the location of the new find, axe and tins on a map showing its location to the ceder , tent and searcher's campsite? grin1
The plate says:
Parking lot named after Yu.K. Kuntsevich, founder and head of the Dyatlov Group Memorial Fund
In this place, annually since 2008, the base camp of a research expedition dedicated to unraveling the death of tourists at the foot of Mount Kholat-Chakhl in 1959 has been located.
With love and eternal memory, Friends and followers.
Now the Google Images service recognizes any text in a photo and immediately translates it into any language
Thanks Олег Таймень,
I am aware that Google translates from a photo and have done so a number of times. It wasn't picking up all the letters.
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An ax, a hammer and a nail puller in one bottle.
Am curious about the nail puller. What group might have brought that along?
I've had a look at the axe, seems such device's are used in shingles in roofing and/or camping hatchets. Just an added benefit, hammer head at the rear for nails or tent pegs, grove to help remove nails and the axe head to chop wood. Saves having to carry multiple tools. Any group could have carried it I suppose.
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An ax, a hammer and a nail puller in one bottle.
Am curious about the nail puller. What group might have brought that along?
at the loggers could have had such an axe. The attachment for pulling out nails is useful when disassembling old wooden buildings. At that time and in those places, loggers (workers of the 41st block, where tourists stayed) or prisoners of the Ivdellag could work.
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An ax, a hammer and a nail puller in one bottle.
Am curious about the nail puller. What group might have brought that along?
Previously, in the USSR there was no choice of tourist hatchets. 6-7 factories produced just such axes for tourists. This is German technology from the 20s of the last century. The axes were quite a bit different, but almost everyone had nail pullers.
Tourists do not need a nail puller. And do not listen to sofa dreamers. There have never been any sheds in the area of the Dyatlov Pass. Lumberjacks never cut wood in this place, as there were no roads for its removal. Ivdellag was hundreds of kilometers away. Ushma did not yet have a prison colony in 1959. In the area of the Dyatlov Pass, the Mansi grazed deer and a deer trail led there.
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There have never been any sheds in the area of the Dyatlov Pass. Lumberjacks never cut wood in this place, as there were no roads for its removal. Ivdellag was hundreds of kilometers away. Ushma did not yet have a prison colony in 1959. In the area of the Dyatlov Pass, the Mansi grazed deer and a deer trail led there.
1. I'm not talking about the fact that they were engaged in logging on the pass. I'm talking about loggers from 41 blocks. The axe could have belonged to them.
2. We need to find out if any of the loggers of the 41st quarter had the initials S.V.A.? Suddenly this is the name of the killer?
3. You need to have a diagram (indicating cedar, tent, MCH, lab) of the place of the objects found. An axe with initials is a unique find. It was with this axe that (the blunt side) Slobodin and Thibault could receive blows.
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Anyone from any group could have used that axe. From the link of the video of the axes , commentators in the comments mention it can be used for lifting pots off the fire . If you have to use a nail when camping , for example , puttin a nail into a tree or making a tripod, you have means to remove it . There's nothing specific about the v. We had one for chopping logs. They are still sold today.
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Maybe some possible suspects.
This group seemed to have found the searcher's camp, perhaps the cut trees from the landing site also. This group has axes and talk of canned food, breaking up rocks to make morter for the plaque. The also mention cans, skis, probs etc amongst other junk, they mention other fires being seen and the possibility of geologists or topographers being there at the same time. There seems to have been a lot of innocent activity.
Here is a report on the Yakimenko expedition in 1963, when they installed a memorial plaque on the remnant
http://samlib.ru/a/aleksej_parunin/dnewniknashejraznostoronnejzhiznijakimenkowidr1963g.shtml
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Maybe some possible suspects.
This group seemed to have found the searcher's camp, perhaps the cut trees from the landing site also. This group has axes and talk of canned food, breaking up rocks to make morter for the plaque. The also mention cans, skis, probs etc amongst other junk, they mention other fires being seen and the possibility of geologists or topographers being there at the same time. There seems to have been a lot of innocent activity.
Here is a report on the Yakimenko expedition in 1963, when they installed a memorial plaque on the remnant
http://samlib.ru/a/aleksej_parunin/dnewniknashejraznostoronnejzhiznijakimenkowidr1963g.shtml
A small number of people in Yakimenko's group could not eat several boxes of canned food.
Tourists use one can of stew for every 6 people for one cooking.
It was a very large group of people who lived there for several days. Perhaps this warehouse of cans was left over from the searchers of 1959. It's just not clear why we can't find a winter camp site for the searchers next to this can store. Very dissimilar topography and vegetation.
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There have never been any sheds in the area of the Dyatlov Pass. Lumberjacks never cut wood in this place, as there were no roads for its removal. Ivdellag was hundreds of kilometers away. Ushma did not yet have a prison colony in 1959. In the area of the Dyatlov Pass, the Mansi grazed deer and a deer trail led there.
1. I'm not talking about the fact that they were engaged in logging on the pass. I'm talking about loggers from 51 blocks. The axe could have belonged to them.
2. We need to find out if any of the loggers of the 51st quarter had the initials S.V.A.? Suddenly this is the name of the killer?
3. You need to have a diagram (indicating cedar, tent, MCH, lab) of the place of the objects found. An axe with initials is a unique find. It was with this axe that (the blunt side) Slobodin and Thibault could receive blows.
От 51 квартала до перевала Дятлова ровно две недели ходьбы на лыжах по зимней уральской тайге. Хватит вводить людей в заблуждение и фантазировать
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От 51 квартала до перевала Дятлова ровно две недели ходьбы на лыжах по зимней уральской тайге. Хватит вводить людей в заблуждение и фантазировать
[i am using a translation site to put that into English, so sorry if it isn't exactly right. It says:]
From 51 quarters to the Dyatlov Pass, exactly two weeks of skiing in the winter Ural taiga. Stop misleading people and fantasizing
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От 51 квартала до перевала Дятлова ровно две недели ходьбы на лыжах по зимней уральской тайге. Хватит вводить людей в заблуждение и фантазировать
Но вообще сначала укажите на схеме место нахождения топора.
first, indicate the location of the axe on the diagram
(https://i.ibb.co/9cJqD0D/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JmNz1T1)
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Maybe some possible suspects.
This group seemed to have found the searcher's camp, perhaps the cut trees from the landing site also. This group has axes and talk of canned food, breaking up rocks to make morter for the plaque. The also mention cans, skis, probs etc amongst other junk, they mention other fires being seen and the possibility of geologists or topographers being there at the same time. There seems to have been a lot of innocent activity.
Here is a report on the Yakimenko expedition in 1963, when they installed a memorial plaque on the remnant
http://samlib.ru/a/aleksej_parunin/dnewniknashejraznostoronnejzhiznijakimenkowidr1963g.shtml
A small number of people in Yakimenko's group could not eat several boxes of canned food.
Tourists use one can of stew for every 6 people for one cooking.
It was a very large group of people who lived there for several days. Perhaps this warehouse of cans was left over from the searchers of 1959. It's just not clear why we can't find a winter camp site for the searchers next to this can store. Very dissimilar topography and vegetation.
I agree but I do not mean Yakimenkos group as the suspects of the litter , but there seems to be other groups in the area during their hike. If this is 4 years after the DPI , then it suggests that geologists, topographers, archeologists along with Mansi were doing their activities and could have been for those four years. It just seems less isolated than I first believed. It certainly gives credibility to the possibility to some other party being their doing work during the DPI .
And in the evening on that mountain where Olga and I did not go, the guys saw a fire. Who lit it? What kind of people are there? What did Olga and I lose by not being there? Probably topographers there.
Jora screams.He found the parking lot of a group of searchers Askinadze. There are skis, belts, cans, probes lying around.
There is a tour nearby. On the other hand, the topographers set up two strong points. There were no travel notes. This means that we overtook the three Muscovites we met in Vizhay. And the most interesting was around us. The Ural Range is clearly visible on the sides, in front - flat-bottomed Europe, and behind - marshy taiga Siberia. It turns out that Coyp is very close. It sticks out like a cone or a pyramid. To his left, Pechora gleams like a wide ribbon. On the right is Man-Pupu-Ner, and blockheads lined up on it. From here they seem especially "grand".
Food crates were found near the tour. It can be seen that they were thrown by a helicopter and a very long time ago. The girls undertook to dry this pasta, potatoes, sugar, peas. Under the remnants we dined with condensed milk with pancakes. Deer skins were waiting for us in a tent and a soup of four partridges and one oystercatcher
Hooray! Empty! And there are people on the beach. Geologists This is their smoke we saw yesterday from the summit
Geologists on the map show where the cave is located. It is 24 km away. It is 40 km to Ust-Shizhim, where there is a cordon. 4 families live on the cordon. They have boats with motors. We also get advice: to raft after the confluence of the Elma - it is deeper there.
We thank the geologists and settle down to have lunch at the former site of topographers. While the milk soup is being cooked, Valka is also talking to geologists and learns that there is little dry forest along the Pechora, and that it is generally easier to walk 120 km along the geologists' trail (they had 8 horses on the trail). Of course, they made all sorts of rosy plans. In order to familiarize ourselves with the exit to the Pechora, we ask the supply manager for condensed milk (a can for two!). Tasty!
There also seems to be archeologists.
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Maybe some possible suspects.
This group seemed to have found the searcher's camp, perhaps the cut trees from the landing site also. This group has axes and talk of canned food, breaking up rocks to make morter for the plaque. The also mention cans, skis, probs etc amongst other junk, they mention other fires being seen and the possibility of geologists or topographers being there at the same time. There seems to have been a lot of innocent activity.
Here is a report on the Yakimenko expedition in 1963, when they installed a memorial plaque on the remnant
http://samlib.ru/a/aleksej_parunin/dnewniknashejraznostoronnejzhiznijakimenkowidr1963g.shtml
A small number of people in Yakimenko's group could not eat several boxes of canned food.
Tourists use one can of stew for every 6 people for one cooking.
It was a very large group of people who lived there for several days. Perhaps this warehouse of cans was left over from the searchers of 1959. It's just not clear why we can't find a winter camp site for the searchers next to this can store. Very dissimilar topography and vegetation.
I agree but I do not mean Yakimenkos group as the suspects of the litter , but there seems to be other groups in the area during their hike. If this is 4 years after the DPI , then it suggests that geologists, topographers, archeologists along with Mansi were doing their activities and could have been for those four years. It just seems less isolated than I first believed. It certainly gives credibility to the possibility to some other party being their doing work during the DPI .
And in the evening on that mountain where Olga and I did not go, the guys saw a fire. Who lit it? What kind of people are there? What did Olga and I lose by not being there? Probably topographers there.
Jora screams.He found the parking lot of a group of searchers Askinadze. There are skis, belts, cans, probes lying around.
There is a tour nearby. On the other hand, the topographers set up two strong points. There were no travel notes. This means that we overtook the three Muscovites we met in Vizhay. And the most interesting was around us. The Ural Range is clearly visible on the sides, in front - flat-bottomed Europe, and behind - marshy taiga Siberia. It turns out that Coyp is very close. It sticks out like a cone or a pyramid. To his left, Pechora gleams like a wide ribbon. On the right is Man-Pupu-Ner, and blockheads lined up on it. From here they seem especially "grand".
Food crates were found near the tour. It can be seen that they were thrown by a helicopter and a very long time ago. The girls undertook to dry this pasta, potatoes, sugar, peas. Under the remnants we dined with condensed milk with pancakes. Deer skins were waiting for us in a tent and a soup of four partridges and one oystercatcher
Hooray! Empty! And there are people on the beach. Geologists This is their smoke we saw yesterday from the summit
Geologists on the map show where the cave is located. It is 24 km away. It is 40 km to Ust-Shizhim, where there is a cordon. 4 families live on the cordon. They have boats with motors. We also get advice: to raft after the confluence of the Elma - it is deeper there.
We thank the geologists and settle down to have lunch at the former site of topographers. While the milk soup is being cooked, Valka is also talking to geologists and learns that there is little dry forest along the Pechora, and that it is generally easier to walk 120 km along the geologists' trail (they had 8 horses on the trail). Of course, they made all sorts of rosy plans. In order to familiarize ourselves with the exit to the Pechora, we ask the supply manager for condensed milk (a can for two!). Tasty!
There also seems to be archeologists.
Undoubtedly, tourist groups went and go now. In the last 40 years there have been especially many of them. Along the hiking trail there are many old bivouacs, many burnt and unburnt tin cans that last for many years, unlike any other garbage. And everywhere there are old plastic bottles.
But, it is this warehouse of iron cans that stands apart. It is far from the path. It's about 150 meters. There are no treadmill paths leading to it from the main path. The number of cans is impressive. All banks are under a layer of turf. There are very large cans of 1-2-3 liters, which are not used by tourists. Such banks are delivered by helicopter. There are glass jars. And no plastic bottles.
The warehouse of cans is located at a distance of 200 meters, to the west of the Kuntsevich site.
In July 2024, I will try to bring a couple of bayonet shovels there and dig up all the artifacts for study and the Theodora Museum. We will also dig in the spring camp of search engines on Lozbva. It was found this year and the exact location was determined.
Your text from Yakimenko's diaries refers to places remote from the Dyatlov Pass. We are talking about the Shezhimsky cordon and the surrounding area. This is the western part of the main Ural ridge. There was active human activity. There was already the Pechoro-Ilychsky Reserve, huntsmen, scientists worked ..
There is unverified information that, under the cover of this reserve, there was and still exists a missile test site for KB them. Academician V.P. Makeev, who was based in Miass. Follow my postings. Soon I will show on the video of UFO witnesses over the Pechoro-Ilychsky Reserve, which they recorded from near Otorten on August 1, 2023 in the evening. In the same direction, and on February 2, 2023, the Korolev-Fedotov research team saw an evening glow
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first, indicate the location of the axe on the diagram
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In any case, it is necessary to investigate all the initials of all possible owners of the axe: loggers from 41 sites, names, teams of vohrovets Chernyshov, search engines from the UPI and the military to find matches of the initials of S.V.A. (or S.V.D.?) In Yakimenko's group was Suvorova Valentina, (patronymic is not known), although I do not think that the axe belonged to the girl. Most likely to some man, thrifty and often using this axe...
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Initials could be Skachkov Vladimir Alekseevich or Skutin Vladimir Afanasyevich. Who is who → (https://dyatlovpass.com/whois)
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с тайна.ли
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https://taina.li/forum/index.php?topic=5226.msg341552#msg341552
Skutin died 2012.
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The option with Skutin disappears. There was no Skutin in the area of 1079. screenshot from Dyatlovpass.
(https://i.ibb.co/P5wqFPf/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/55BbGSf)
Группа Чернышова так же отпадает.
Chernyshov's group also disappears, they did not have the initials S.V.A
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Skachkov was part of the Grebennik search party in the Oyka-Chakur area, nowhere near where the ax was found.
Although Skutin was called off and did not go to 1079 he flew to Otorten. He might still have left his ax to Atmanaki. Atmanaki testimony → (https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-209-220)
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We also need to check all the surnames for A and for D. For example: Semyon (?) Vasilyevich (?) Averbukh.
(https://i.ibb.co/9VKKjJx/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/D8ccnNB).
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To clarify the initials, it is necessary to conduct an examination of the axe handle. From long time and natural conditions - letters could be erased, cracks could be added - initials could initially look different.
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And also these letters could mean the name of the organization, for example, Soviet Military Aviation
or Soviet Military Landing
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Туристические топорики времен СССР начало 60-х.
Tourist hatchets of the USSR times the beginning of the 60s. About hatchets with a rubber handle, bad reviews: calluses the hand
https://guns.allzip.org/topic/342/1687402.html
It is necessary to turn to Sogrin With H, show him the finds, the hatchet. What if he finds out whose hatchet it was? Sogrin, according to the student Bychkov, received equipment from the Chekist town. Were they given such hatchets? At that time, they were foreign hatchets or ours, Soviet ones, which were difficult to get.
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The second stage of the expedition. Part 5
On July 25, being in the place of the four in the stream, we recorded an unknown rodent in the photo and video, which quickly moved along the stream and was not afraid of a person.
The rodent swam equally fast on the water and ran over the stones overgrown with moss. I ran into one of the holes, of which there were several along the stream ..
The size of the rodent was clearly larger than a field mouse, but smaller than a rat. Everyone noted the absence of a long rat tail
Второй этап экспедиции. Часть 5.
25 июля, находясь на месте четвёрки в ручье, зафиксировали на фото и видео неизвестного грызуна, который шустро передвигался по ручью и не боялся человека.
Грызун одинаково быстро и плавал по воде и бегал по камням, поросшим мхом. Забежал в одну из нор, которых было вдоль ручья несколько..
Размерами грызун был явно крупнее мыши-полёвки, но меньше крысы. Все отметили отсутствие длинного крысиного хвоста
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By external signs, he identified LEMMING.
Lemmings are a group of several closely related genera of the subfamily of voles of the family of hamsters of the order of rodents.
По внешним признакам идентифицировал ЛЕММИНГ.
Ле́мминги — группа из нескольких близкородственных родов подсемейства полёвковых семейства хомяков отряда грызунов.
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Lemmings live in swampy, wet areas where moss swamps are present. They have a tail no more than 2 cm. They swim well. In winter, lemmings dig through the snow, extracting food from under it. With a lack of nutrition, they are very active in the extraction of food.
Are there lemmings in the Northern Urals?
There are and always have been. They live in a swampy area covered with moss, identical to the area where the channels of the 4 right tributary of the Lozva flow, where the four bodies of the Dyatlov group were found in 1959. [/ b]
Лемминги живут в болотистой влажной местности, там где присутствуют моховые болота. Имеют хвост не более 2 см. Хорошо плавают. Зимой лемминги копают снег, извлекая из под него пищу. При недостатке питания ведут себя очень активно при добыче пищи.
А есть ли лемминги именно на Северном Урале?
Есть и всегда были. Живут именно в болотистой местности покрытой мхом, идентичной с местностью, где протекают русла 4 правого притока Лозьвы, где была найдена четвёрка тел группы Дятлова в 1959 году.
Studying HISTORY OF THE RODENT FAUNA OF THE NORTHERN URAL, came to the conclusion that in the Northern Urals, at this height, in the zone of marshy crooked forests, lemmings exclusively predominate. Also, in a small amount of mouse-voles.
Analyzing the behavior of lemmings (they are not afraid of humans, they swim well, they dig snow in winter, extracting food from under it, with a lack of food in winter they are very active in obtaining food, digging passages in the snow for movement) , it can be assumed that these rodents are to blame for the lack of tongue and eyeballs in Luda Dubinina, eyeballs in Semyon Zolotarev.
Изучая ИСТОРИЮ ФАУНЫ ГРЫЗУНОВ СЕВЕРНОГО УРАЛА (https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/istoriya-fauny-gryzunov-severnogo-urala-v-pozdnem-neopleystotsene-dannye-paleontologicheskogo-issledovaniya-otlozheniy-navesa), пришёл к выводу, что на Северном Урале, на данной высоте, в зоне болотистого криволесья, преобладают исключительно лемминги. Так-же, в незначительном количестве мыши-полёвки.
Анализируя поведение леммингов ( не боятся человека, хорошо плавают, зимой копают снег, извлекая из под него пищу, при недостатке питания в зимнее время ведут себя очень активно при добыче пищи, роя в снегу ходы для передвижения ), можно сделать предположение, что именно эти грызуны виноваты с отсутствие языка и глазных яблок у Люды Дубининой, глазных яблок у Семёна Золотарёва.
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These rodents are herbivores. They feed on berries, root system, young shoots, seeds. Moss yagel is considered their favorite dish. They feed mainly on lichens and green moss, which grow in abundance in the tundra. Question to the Taimen: can you force a herbivore, for example, a deer, to eat corpse meat?
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These rodents are herbivores. They feed on berries, root system, young shoots, seeds. Moss yagel is considered their favorite dish. They feed mainly on lichens and green moss, which grow in abundance in the tundra. Question to the Taimen: can you force a herbivore, for example, a deer, to eat corpse meat?
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There is no need to mislead and fantasize. Could you do all this in your topic?
Lemmings gnaw on anything they find.
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Translation:
What do they eat in winter?
Already in August, the lush vegetation dies and in autumn the tundra remains covered with withered grass, and in some places it becomes almost bare. Only in low-lying places are areas covered with lichen preserved. Now the menu of lemmings is significantly reduced. The short northern summer ends and the long winter sets in. And now these natives of the Arctic are forced to start eating the so-called pasture.
The main diet at this time is reindeer moss, which is commonly called reindeer moss, but in fact it is not even moss, and not a plant at all, but a kind of lichen, which, in principle, belongs to a special category of organisms, but nevertheless it is quite nutritious . Therefore, with a large amount of reindeer moss, lemmings do not face hunger. And besides, in addition to reindeer moss, lemmings feed on bark from shrubs, raking the snow, get to the roots of various plants, gnaw birch bark from the trunks of dwarf birches or polar willows. Green or peat moss is also a great help in the diet of lemmings.
They happily eat egg shells from abandoned bird nests. In deer pastures, under the snow, old antlers shed by deer remain, with which lemmings can easily cope, crumbling them into small pieces with their powerful front incisors. When cold and snowstorms come, lemmings do not hibernate, but lead an active lifestyle. Under the snow in the moss bog litter or inside the tussocks, they arrange spacious burrows with deep passages, make stocks there and breed. By digging tunnels under the snow, they extract the roots of plants and this replenish their diet on warm days they rise outside.
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Fun fact.
On my first Google of lemmings.
"Their principal summer foods are tender shoots of grasses and sedges. During the winter they eat frozen, but still green, plant material, moss shoots, and the bark and twigs of willow and dwarf birch. There is some evidence that brown lemmings are cannibalistic when food is scarce."
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There is some evidence that brown lemmings are cannibalistic when food is scarce."
This is doubtful and not true. Blogger Fiona Howard, to whom you refer and the only one who talks about the possible cannibalism of lemmings, is not a biologist and cannot assert this fact. https://ru.boatexistence.com/18709144-which-animals-are-in-alpine-tundra
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I'm no expert on lemmings , that I will admit.
However...
What Does Lemming Eat In The Wild?
Lemmings are herbivores, mainly surviving on vegetation. However, during the cold winter months, there is a scarcity of food and so they eat whatever they find in large quantities to prevent nutritional deficiencies. During this season, lemmings will spend the best part of their day looking for food. Some studies show that lemmings even eat other lemmings when food is limited
https://www.atshq.org/what-do-lemming-eat/
What to do? Who to believe? Whatever theory any of us have invested in, the most likely explanation for the missing eyes and tongue , is the location the bodies were found. In the water, under snow decomposing .
We now also have a lemming that tunnels in the snow and lives in that very habitat and will eat flesh given the opportunity. We can see from the photo that it exists!
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There is some evidence that brown lemmings are cannibalistic when food is scarce."
This is doubtful and not true. Blogger Fiona Howard, to whom you refer and the only one who talks about the possible cannibalism of lemmings, is not a biologist and cannot assert this fact. https://ru.boatexistence.com/18709144-which-animals-are-in-alpine-tundra
It came from Lemmings - Alaska Fish and Game. Pdf.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.adfg.alaska.gov/static/education/wns/lemmings.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiDvJeXyveAAxW_QEEAHchlCjoQFnoECBEQBg&usg=AOvVaw2qsOB0qCfqpxko4x4Xo8lX
The brown lemming. Lemmus trimucronatus, is the only true lemming in Alaska. Brown lemmings inhabit open tundra areas throughout Siberia and North America. They live in northern treeless regions, usually in low-lying, flat meadow habitats dominated by sedges, grasses and mosses. Their principal summer foods are tender shoots of grasses and sedges. During the winter they eat frozen, but still green, plant material, moss shoots, and the bark and twigs of willow and dwarf birch. There is some evidence that brown lemmings are cannibalistic when food is scarce.
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Is it symbolic? Perhaps we are all lemmings, in the sense that we are following the trail of imagined truths we cannot possibly prove, or straight off the cliff with conspiracy theories. Or were the hikers themselves lemmings and they all followed Igor Dyatlov's instruction to pitch a tent up a mountain, with disastrous consequences.
Philosophy now <spoken with my best Yoda impression>
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Notes on the results of the Expedition-2023..
1. Storehouse
1.1. A new angle on the storage shed of the State Duma did not confirm the similarity with the pictures of the State Duma. The leftmost large birch has the wrong slope. (it's my opinion!).
Later there will be a detailed review of the new angle with overlay images.
1.2. The fork tree next to the storehouse is 99% consistent with the HD image. Since the tree-fork is located 20 meters from the supposed place of the storehouse, the conclusion about the place of the storehouse suggests itself ...
Perhaps this is the only evidence of the place of the storehouse so far (this is my opinion!).
(https://forumupload.ru/uploads/001b/ce/12/2/t712656.jpg) (https://forumupload.ru/uploads/001b/ce/12/2/712656.jpg)
Later, there will be a detailed review of the angle of the fork with the overlay of the captured images of 2023 on the picture of the Dyatlov group in high quality. A high quality large format image is already available for this comparison..
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2. Winter camp of searchers on Auspiya.
Not yet found, despite the efforts of Shura Alekseenkov ..
The descriptions of the place of the camp by V. Yakimenko (the State Duma warehouse and the camp of searchers in one place) are very different from the descriptions of other participants in the search work in 1959.
Analyzing the concentration of saw cuts and the distance of the garbage storage site from the tent in the spring camp of the searchers, we can conclude that the winter camp of the searchers was also located at the concentration of saw cuts on the tributary of the Auspiya, in the place of garbage storage. And this is not at the parking lot of Yu.K. Kuntsevich, as A. Konstantinov and Sh. Alekseenkov believe. (But, this is just my opinion, which has no evidence yet... Next summer we need to deal with this issue more closely. There is already a plan.)
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3. Spring camp of searchers on the tributary of the Lozva.
Found a little below the place, which was shown according to the scheme by V.M. Askinadzi in a live interview with Alexander Kan (video).
The camp was found just in the place of the largest concentration of tree cuts, which Kahn showed on the diagram. This is opposite the dam.
The camp was found after the discovery of a large number of saw cuts and a large number of artifacts from 1959 in one place and subsequent visual comparison of the area according to photographs of search operations in 1959 by Shura Alekseenkov.
By the way, they most likely found exactly these buckets, on which the searchers cooked hot food (photos from the archive of V.M. Askinadzi):
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4. Dam.
There are some things that are not entirely clear here.
In the main central shaft of the dam, 12 hammered construction staples were found. The thirteenth was nearby in the water. (there is also the fourteenth staple, driven into a birch at the site of the spring camp, near the place of the tent)
The brackets are driven in very strangely - not for attaching vertical racks (my opinion).
12 staples are driven in along the entire length of the tree along the stream with two legs up to the very back without a gap [/ b].
Remarkably like this:
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What is the purpose of these staples and who could drive them in?
When discussing the findings of the Expo-2023 with V.M. Askinadzi, he confidently stated that they did not drive in any staples during the construction of the dam.
Here is his verbatim answer:
VMA:
"We didn't drive in any brackets, we just didn't need them. The construction of the dam was impromptu before the May holidays. From the moment we arrived at the pass, there were no more helicopters until May 5th. Yes, and in Ivdel we loaded a helicopter and no staples were loaded. It is necessary to ask questions to those who were after us. Valya Yakimenko's group was the first after us, I did not track other groups. As far as I know, he did not say anything about the staples. "[/ Quote]
In another VMA post:
"The staples were in our hands when the dam was already built? Why are they needed then? A group of soldiers from Nikolai Kuzminov we got from Blinov's group. Maybe the staples were brought earlier with some kind of shift. in the corner of the tent, when cleaning the territory, when they had already begun to remove the tent, they were discovered. I’m already fantasizing! One thing is clear, we didn’t need staples for the construction of the dam. "[/ Quote]
And in fact, with such an arrangement of brackets, why are they needed for the dam? How can they strengthen it?
It was more or less logical to drive staples to the central trunk and vertical posts or make a gap to be able to thread the cord and tie the posts ..
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A few more words about the brackets in this photo:
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Despite the poor quality of the image, two legs of two brackets are clearly visible in the lower part:
(https://forumupload.ru/uploads/001b/ce/12/2/t884791.jpg) (https://forumupload.ru/uploads/001b/ce/12/2/884791.jpg)
But on the original scan (TIFF) of this image, taken 10 years ago by Evgeny KUK, nothing can be traced:
(https://forumupload.ru/uploads/001b/ce/12/2/t50320.jpg) (https://forumupload.ru/uploads/001b/ce/12/2/50320.jpg)
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Where are the staples in the dam???
Were they driven into a tree after May 8, when the sixth group of searchers left the search site?
Did someone drive them in before May 8, without informing the students and soldiers? For what? What is the purpose of the staples? Soldiers without orders will not do this. Students don't need to...
By the way, with this group there was someone else in civilian clothes, whom V.M. Askinadzi did not know and did not understand who it was ..
Lots of questions that are still unanswered..
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In Russian, the same post:
На русском языке тот же пост:
Заметки по результатам Экспедиции-2023..
1. Лабаз
1.1. Новый ракурс на лабаз ГД не подтвердил схожесть со снимками ГД. Самая левая большая берёза имеет не тот наклон. (это моё мнение!).
Позже будет подробный обзор нового ракурса с наложением изображений.
1.2. Дерево-вилка рядом с лабазом на 99% соответствует снимку ГД. Так как дерево-вилка находится в 20 метрах от предполагаемого места лабаза, вывод о месте лабаза напрашивается...
Возможно, это пока единственное доказательство места лабаза (это моё мнение!).
(https://forumupload.ru/uploads/001b/ce/12/2/t712656.jpg) (https://forumupload.ru/uploads/001b/ce/12/2/712656.jpg)
Позже будет подробный обзор ракурса вилки с наложением отснятых изображений 2023 на снимок группы Дятлова в высоком качестве. Снимок в высоком качестве большого формата уже есть для этого сравнения..
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2. Зимний лагерь поисковиков на Ауспии.
Пока не найден, не смотря на усилия Шуры Алексеенкова..
Описания места лагеря В.Якименко (лабаз ГД и лагерь поисковиков в одном месте) очень сильно отличается от описаний других участников поисковых работ 1959 года.
Анализируя концентрацию спилов и расстояние места складирования мусора от палатки в весеннем лагере поисковиков, можно сделать вывод, что зимний лагерь поисковиков, так-же, находился в месте концентрации спилов на притоке Ауспии, в месте складирования мусора. А это не на месте стоянки Ю.К.Кунцевича, как считают А.Константинов и Ш.Алексеенков. (но, это только моё мнение, которое пока не имеет никаких доказательств... Следующим летом нужно заниматься этим вопросом более плотно. Уже есть план.)
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3. Весенний лагерь поисковиков на притоке Лозьвы.
Найден немного ниже места, которое показал по схеме В.М.Аскинадзи в живом интервью Александру Кану (видео).
Лагерь найден как раз в месте самой большой концентрации спилов деревьев, которое показал Кан на схеме. А это напротив плотины.
Лагерь найден после обнаружения большого числа спилов и большого числа артефактов 59 года в одном месте и последующим визуальным сравнением местности по фотографиям поисковых работ 1959 года Шурой Алексеенковым.
Кстати, нашли, скорее всего, именно эти ведра, на которых поисковики готовили горячую пищу (фотографии из архива В.М.Аскинадзи):
(https://forumupload.ru/uploads/001b/ce/12/2/t533383.jpg) (https://forumupload.ru/uploads/001b/ce/12/2/533383.jpg)
(https://forumupload.ru/uploads/001b/ce/12/2/t419690.jpg) (https://forumupload.ru/uploads/001b/ce/12/2/419690.jpg)
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4.Плотина.
Тут пока есть не совсем понятные моменты..
В основном центральном стволе плотины обнаружено 12 вбитых строительных скоб. Тринадцатая находилась рядом в воде. (ещё есть четырнадцатая скоба, вбитая в берёзу на месте весеннего лагеря, вблизи места палатки)
Скобы вбиты очень странно - не для крепления вертикальных стоек (моё мнение).
12 скоб вбиты по всей длине дерева вдоль ручья двумя ножками до самой спинки без зазора.
Приметно так:
(https://forumupload.ru/uploads/001b/ce/12/2/t544798.jpg) (https://forumupload.ru/uploads/001b/ce/12/2/544798.jpg)
Какая цель у этих скоб и кто мог их вбить?
При обсуждении находок Экспы-2023 с В.М.Аскинадзи, он уверенно заявил, что они не вбивали никаких скоб при строительстве плотины.
Вот его дословный ответ:
ВМА:
"Мы никаких скоб не вбивали, они нам просто были не нужны. Строительство плотинки - это был экспромт перед майскими праздниками. С момента нашего прибытия на перевал больше вертолётов до 5-го мая не было. Да и в Ивделе мы загружали вертолёт и никаких скоб не грузили. Это надо задавать вопросы тем, кто был после нас. Группа Вали Якименко была первой после нас, других групп я не отслеживал. Он относительно скоб, насколько мне известно, ничего не говорил."
В другом сообщении ВМА:
"Скобы в руках, когда уже плотинка была построена? Зачем они тогда нужны? Группа солдат Николая Кузьминова нам досталась от группы Блинова. Может скобы были привезены раньше с какой-нибудь сменой. Провалялись без востребования весь период поисков где-нибудь в углу палатки, при уборки территории когда уже начали снимать палатку, их обнаружили. Это я уже фантазирую! Одно понятно, нам для строительства плотины скобы были не нужны".
И на самом деле, при таком расположении скоб, зачем они нужны для плотины? Как они могут её укрепить?
Более менее логично было быть вбивать скобы к центральному стволу и вертикальным стойкам или сделать зазор для возможности продеть шнур и привязать стойки..
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Ещё пару слов по поводу скоб на этой фотографии:
(https://forumupload.ru/uploads/001b/ce/12/2/t980063.jpg) (https://forumupload.ru/uploads/001b/ce/12/2/980063.jpg)
(https://forumupload.ru/uploads/001b/ce/12/2/t470030.jpg) (https://forumupload.ru/uploads/001b/ce/12/2/470030.jpg)
Не смотря на плохое качество снимка, явно прослеживаются в нижней части две ножки двух скоб:
(https://forumupload.ru/uploads/001b/ce/12/2/t884791.jpg) (https://forumupload.ru/uploads/001b/ce/12/2/884791.jpg)
А вот на оригинальном скане (TIFF) этого снимка, сделанным 10 лет назад Евгением KUK, ничего не прослеживается:
(https://forumupload.ru/uploads/001b/ce/12/2/t50320.jpg) (https://forumupload.ru/uploads/001b/ce/12/2/50320.jpg)
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Откуда в плотине скобы???
Их вбили в дерево после 8 мая, когда шестая группа поисковиков покинула место поисков?
Их вбил кто-то до 8 мая, не информируя студентов и солдат? Зачем? Какая цель вбитых скоб? Солдаты без приказа не станут этого делать. Студентам, так же, нет надобности..
Кстати, с этой группой был ещё кто-то в штатской одежде, которого В.М.Аскинадзи не знал и так и не понял, кто это..
Много вопросов, на которые пока нет ответов..
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I'm not fully understanding the staples or the construction of the dam. But the word staples and your image makes me consider their possible use.
( I have no idea how they would build their dam)
However , my thoughts are that if they used a long branch, trunk ,tree across the top of the dam supporting vertical posts. Perhaps the staples could be used to hold a large piece of canvas or suitable material in place to stop/stem the flow of water. The staples would hold the material on the top horizontal trunk. ?
Only a thought.
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I'm not fully understanding the staples or the construction of the dam. But the word staples and your image makes me consider their possible use.
( I have no idea how they would build their dam)
However , my thoughts are that if they used a long branch, trunk ,tree across the top of the dam supporting vertical posts. Perhaps the staples could be used to hold a large piece of canvas or suitable material in place to stop/stem the flow of water. The staples would hold the material on the top horizontal trunk. ?
Only a thought.
There is no need to stop the flow of water. Yes, and it's impossible. The purpose of the dam is to hold the bodies of dead tourists if a flood comes and the bodies float. And the flow of water must pass freely between the vertical racks.
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I'm not fully understanding the staples or the construction of the dam. But the word staples and your image makes me consider their possible use.
( I have no idea how they would build their dam)
However , my thoughts are that if they used a long branch, trunk ,tree across the top of the dam supporting vertical posts. Perhaps the staples could be used to hold a large piece of canvas or suitable material in place to stop/stem the flow of water. The staples would hold the material on the top horizontal trunk. ?
Only a thought.
There is no need to stop the flow of water. Yes, and it's impossible. The purpose of the dam is to hold the bodies of dead tourists if a flood comes and the bodies float. And the flow of water must pass freely between the vertical racks.
Thanks Олег Таймень,
I thought they built a dam to protect the searcher's when they were excavating the ravine four. . To slow the flow of water incase the water or snow swept the searcher's away? This was my interpretation. I thought the dam was upstream of the bodies, not below.
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August 1, 2023
We move along the ridge towards Otorten. We stop at 4 km. from Otorten, where autotourists Vladimir and Lyuda are parked in a Luaz car. We start to communicate.
We find out that the guys last night (July 31) from this place observed a UFO in the area of the Pechero-Ilychsky reserve. Photographed a UFO.
We filmed the conversation.
The video will open on September 5, 2023 at 17.00 Moscow time:
https://youtu.be/okCiEVknL3U
In the same direction, Alexander Fedotov and Alexei Korolev saw the light shine on February 2, 2023 on a winter expedition from the place where the Dyatlov group tented.
In the same direction, a fireball was filmed by tourists a couple of years ago. Here is a thread I made on the same forum:
https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=1194.0
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It is frightening to hear about you getting lost and encountering a bear with cubs. How did you get away?
Here is My Bear Story (https://dyatlovpass.com/my-bear-story)
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I'm sure the bear is telling the story to it's friends about the day it met a Teddy and was equally as scared! grin1
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I'm sure the bear is telling the story to it's friends about the day it met a Teddy and was equally as scared! grin1
I am sure she is telling her cubs if they don't behave the hairy woman will take them as she did with the other two and turn them into teddy bears.
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12 совпадений:
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2023 Dyatlov Pass Expedition - Part 1
https://dzen.ru/video/watch/651e79e3c42cd16fea451dbe
2023 Dyatlov Pass Expedition - Part 2
https://dzen.ru/video/watch/6526bb0d816f970013248f31
2023 Dyatlov Pass Expedition - Part 3
https://dzen.ru/video/watch/652e4f4fe07ef5214b0f5c21
https://dzen.ru/video/watch/652f911c01335b6b6d20ce2e
2023 Dyatlov Pass Expedition - Part 4
https://dzen.ru/video/watch/652ce86bc094161c02d2e4d5
2023 Dyatlov Pass Expedition - Part 5
https://dzen.ru/video/watch/65350d8b3333f9592f96ca07
2023 Dyatlov Pass Expedition - Part 6
https://dzen.ru/video/watch/653bb18fde4cb214857689ab
2023 Dyatlov Pass Expedition - Part 7
https://dzen.ru/video/watch/653facece76c281c8914c596
2023 Dyatlov Pass Expedition - Part 8
https://dzen.ru/video/watch/6545bad690699e44bc333e8a
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2023 Dyatlov Pass Expedition - Part 1
https://youtu.be/3wbdnQSoY80
2023 Dyatlov Pass Expedition - Part 2
https://youtu.be/mUbGl7COK5w
2023 Dyatlov Pass Expedition - Part 3
https://youtu.be/IHYbBqvX_30
https://youtu.be/kh1ffSVZqhA
2023 Dyatlov Pass Expedition - Part 4
https://youtu.be/gV88JPHV45E
2023 Dyatlov Pass Expedition - Part 5
https://youtu.be/KJdtHoTFaUk
2023 Dyatlov Pass Expedition - Part 6
https://youtu.be/_XgPILZfEdQ
2023 Dyatlov Pass Expedition - Part 7
https://youtu.be/yl55dSNACmE
2023 Dyatlov Pass Expedition - Part 8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgx49zVHDQw
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https://youtu.be/jQB13VelNgQ (https://youtu.be/jQB13VelNgQ)
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In this video, the leading guide to the Northern Urals, Alexander Fedotov, talks about an anomaly with destroyed tents. It is not known what happened to the tents.
В этом видео ведущий гид по Северному Уралу Александр Федотов рассказывает об аномалии с уничтоженными палатками. Что случилось с палатками, не известно..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WnTtp1Rky8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WnTtp1Rky8)
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In this video, Vladimir and Lyuda show photographs of a UFO over the Pechora-Ilychsky Nature Reserve, which they took personally while observing the evening phenomenon..
В этом видео Владимир и Люда показывают фотографии НЛО над Печоро-Илычским заповедником, которые они сделали лично, наблюдая вечернее явление..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd88-FYmQqE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd88-FYmQqE)
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SUMMER HIKE-EXPEDITION 2023 TO THE DYATLOV PASS. Photos by Irina Voronina.
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