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The Biggest Mystery Of All...
Ziljoe:
No judgement from me eurocentric.
It is recorded that there were other disputes on other hikes. One lead to the deaths of some of tourist's but i think it was rafting. Others split and one describes how they wanted to fight. So it's a possibility I guess.
If I remember correctly, one of our other members highlighted the satirical newspaper humour about Zina and Yuri having the fastest time to put up the stove as 1hour or something. She brings our attention to the fact of Zinas love for Yuri and his rejection of that love. Why this hour of putting up the tent is mentioned is obviously someone's idea of a joke.
But when in love it is no joke , it is humiliation, add to the fact , if I understand correctly, the satirical newspaper is what would be left behind on mt Otoren . Zinas humiliation would be for all to see. It is the newspaper that is first found lying in the tent. Could it have the trigger for a fight or Zina to cut her way out of the tent as they laughed?
MDGross:
eurocentric, I agree that all possibilities should be considered. Over the years, this forum has provided a great way for posters to do just that. And perhaps the simplest explanation is the best – poor judgment, horrific weather conditions and exhaustion resulted in tragedy. Involvement by a third party brings so much complexity to the incident. But I feel like the ONE mistake that the hikers would never make is to walk away from the safety of their tent shoeless and in the few clothes they were sleeping in. As experienced as they were, they surely knew that they had almost no chance of surviving the night. If for some reason they couldn't retrieve their shoes and coats, they could have at least exited the tent with the blankets and sleeping bags that were keeping them warm. For me, this is the most puzzling piece of this tragedy. Why would anyone walk in an orderly fashion to near certain death? Unless they had no choice. Unless they were forced by an armed third party to walk to the forest with almost no protection from the deadly cold.
GlennM:
Interesting hypotheses. The diffuculty with them is that the poster chooses a sequence of behaviors that confirms their point of view but marvels at the discrepent or behaviorally illogical aspects. Again, I submit that because something is logically consistent, it need not be the truth. During the incident on 1079, physical evidence was produced. When it happened and how, are open ended questions. We also have opinions that are taken as fact. Cuts on the tent are a prime example. How is it that the tent was cut, but the interior was free of snow? How can a flashlight be perched on a layer of snow on the tent?
We have a supposed chain of events premised on the tent in the woods, another premised on the tent on slope. Both are logical. Both are mutually exclusive. Both have logical constructs. There can not be two truths.
In logic, this might be compared to an " approach-approach" dilemma. In common terms it is the donkey who starves by being tethered between two stalls of hay and can not decide one to choose.
To break the dilemma, we see tactics to discredit opinion, devalue testimony or do the exact opposite to force a conclusion. Teddy and others go to the woods to find evidence 65 years old. It is commendable. I suspect the missing clue will be found in an archive, yet to be revealed.
ilahiyol:
It is clear that this event is not an ordinary freezing or avalanche event. Or it is obvious that it is not a missile or poisoning. Even discussing these is a waste of time. There is a panoramic situation in this event. Or there is a creature that is not an animal and can think. It's not clear what this is. We'll probably never know.
ilahiyol:
As can be seen, the incident probably started when the hikers were walking into the forest after camping on the mountain. The Unknown Force, whatever it was, must have somehow started to disturb the hikers(?)...However, the hikers may have set up camp in the forest. But here too the unknown Power must have continued to disturb them. I don't know how this disturbance happened (???) Sound or image or both..... The young people must have thought that they could not stay in the forest any longer and ran away to the mountain... Because the mountain was an open area and the unknown Power could not disturb them from behind the trees. But the unknown Force followed them. Maybe 1-2 hours later. Because they needed 1-2 hours to set up their tents on the mountain. So definitely the unknown Power had planned it all!!! It wasn't a random attack. Everything was staged!!! Possibly the unknown Power was invisible to the eye under normal circumstances. And he went towards the tent and asked the young men to come out of the tent. The young people resisted at first and did not want to leave the tent. Because leaving the tent meant death within 1-2 days. But the unknown Power probably did not work with knife, axe, or punch. And the unknown Power threatened them and finally drove them out of the tent. But the young people did not run. Because running and sweating meant death. They had to stay dry. That's why two people among them first wanted to run and escape, but they must have thought it would be wrong and joined the group later. I understand this from the footprints. The group walked desperately into the forest and what happened next happened.
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