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Ziljoe:
To add , the behaviour of the Dyatlov group showed no indication of some secret or paranoia that they were up to no good. To look at the diaries and photos , they show complete disregard to any guilt. It was a tourist hike , youth living their life and the joy of adventure. You don't sing in a railway station and attract attention, you don't go to a school and tell your adventures to children, socialise with the locals , sing songs , use a local to take your equipment by sledge and horse.

I don't think they could have drawn more attention to themselves if they tried. The group did not behave if they held some secret , political or scientific .

No one had reason to kill the hikers that we know of.

anna_pycckux:

--- Quote from: MDGross on February 27, 2024, 07:56:58 AM ---• Was there a government coverup of the facts that has now lasted for 65 years?

--- End quote ---
The fate of the Criminal case was decided by the party authorities, but not by the investigators.
proofs: interview with investigator Korotaev, prosecutor Okishev. A quote from a newspaper article by investigator Ivanov: "I am forced to fulfill someone else's will" as well as archival documents.

amashilu:

--- Quote from: MDGross on February 27, 2024, 07:56:58 AM ---
• How were Lyuda, Tibo and Sasha fatally injured?

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Teddy and Igor's book 1079 points out all the geologic explorations that were going on at the time in that area, and on pp 227 mentions that one technique the geologists would use is dropping charges into the treetops, and then setting them off.

"Air blasts could be used ... the expedition came to utilizing a method of earthquake ground excitation by air blasts. The charges ... were placed in the trees at a certain height."

Ever since I first read that, I wonder about the injuries of the three you mention, said to be similar to those caused by an air blast. I don't know how a charge could be placed in a tree in the first place, or what the ground earthquake would look like when the charge is set off. But I guess if one were near to it, their bodies could be thrown quite a distance and injured badly.

Of course, that still doesn't answer the question of why they left the tent in the first place.

eurocentric:
There is another possible explanation, one which does not include any third party. But it's the sort of thing where readers will allow their emotions to revolt against the very idea and find it disrespectful to even consider.

Had there been a dispute at the tent, Semyon finding the siting madness and his greater outdoorsman experience recognising the weather was closing in, then this could explain some damage to the tent when a standoff and mutiny took place, and an old soldier led a better dressed party downslope to make a snow den in which to hunker down.

Those who went with him were the least fit of the group and entirely predictable in name, his new BFFL Tibo, and the 2 social misfits in this group, Alex and moody Lyuda.

The others remain at the tent, outraged at this, and Igor insisting they will be okay, that they have already dug a hole. Hypothermia slowly sets in and at some point they head downslope, perhaps determined by Zina when Yuri D begins to fade, and the party leave in a semi-dressed state due to the cognitive effects of the cold and make a fire in the forest, but this sees 2 of them die.

The remaining 3 are faced with a terrible decision, either lay down and die or take the sole remaining survivor resource, the den, which would be economically small and only fit 4 people. They cannot make their own, they are too exhausted and this would mean greater exposure outside the forest in rising winds.

So they'd take their torches and some fire logs and strike 3 weary and cold men in a hole in the ground across their heads to concuss them and drag them across to the ravine. Semyon's chest is flailed either as he hits the floor, or when Aleksander's unconscious body lands on him, this explaining the fractures happening during life. Semyon is found laid on his flailed right side.

Lyuda is spared being hit on the head, perhaps from an age where women were not struck, or they may have tried to convince her to remain with them, but she would protest, and to stop her screams, after removing her from the den as she scratched and kicked, one of them straddled her and pressed their thumbs into her throat, loosening her lingual bone until she eventually passed out, and she too was rolled into the ravine, possibly coming round again and trying to escape, sustaining a second set of fall fractures. She places her hat on Tibo after hearing slight groans in the darkness.

The survivors occupy the den, they are cold and in shock at what the human survival instinct has made them do and worrying how they are going to explain all this. Rustem has suffered a head injury during the fight, and Zina's hand is gashed when a knife was brandished. When the storm dies down they, or possibly just Rustem and Zina, head back to the tent but it's too late and they die of exposure. Igor follows, dragging himself out of the den.

The investigators suspect what has happened after finding the injured 4 bodies in a ravine close to a den for 4 people, and to spare the families, and to stop negative propaganda about Russians killing Russians, they close the case and prefer it to become a permanent mystery, one of thousands of State secrets.

When a group splits into two in an extreme environment they then become rivals for survival and will do anything to survive in what becomes a 'them or us' situation. This compelling force is not unknown.

I would of course prefer to think this never happened, but it, along with a poisoning, are the two theories I eventually arrived at in my own DPI journey, and perhaps internecine war in the extreme cold is the simplest Occam's Razor of all theories but is something of an unspeakable truth if that is what took place.

We'd all like to think that in those circumstances we'd behave differently, but I cannot say with 100% certainty what I would be like until I was there, and so I do not judge, and the hikers will always have my respect even if this took place, but when considering what might have happened all possibilities need to be considered.

Axelrod:
I once read a book biography of Mikhail Khodorkovsky.
(I hope there is no need to explain who this is)

When he was a student, he had a summer internship on a Soviet collective farm.
There it was necessary to dig some kind of pit.
Because Mikhail Khodorkovsky was a student at the Chemical-Technological Institute,
He proposed using explosives for this.

The chairman of the collective farm was at first interested in his proposal,
but then I thought and doubted it. got scared and forced Khodorkovsky to dig a pit with a shovel all summer.

Perhaps blasting was used in places where it was difficult to gather students like Mikhail Khodorkovsky.

It is possible that those craters on the banks of the rivers are precisely the results of the explosions of Sulman’s helogical expedition,
Because by chance, when falling from the air, it is doubtful that the craters were located along the rivers.
Water does not have the same "magnetic attraction" for bombs.
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Oroginal text in Russian:
Я когда-то читал книгу биографию Михаила Ходорковского.
(надеюсь, не надо объяснять, кто это такой)

Когда он был студент, он был летм на практике в советском колхозе.
Там надо было выкопать какой-то котлован.
Посклльку Михаил Ходорковский был студент химико-технологического института,
он предложил использовать для этого взрывчатку.

Председатель колхоза сначала заинтересовался его предложением,
но потом подумал, засомневался. испугался, и заставил Ходоковского всё лето копать котлован лопатой.

Возможно, взрывные работы использовались там, куда было сложно собрать студентов вроде Ходорковсокго.
Возможно, что те воронки на берегах рек - как раз результат взрывов геологической экспедиции Сульмана,
потому что при случайном падении из воздуха сомнительно, чтобы воронки были именно вдоль рек.
Вода не обладает таким "магнитным притяжением" для бомб.

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