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Business in Shabbat - the sacred cause of misfortune!

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Axelrod:
https://toldot.com/shabbat.html


Saturday, the seventh day of the week, the day of rest... In Hebrew, all days are named according to the number of their removal from Saturday - the first, the second, etc., but only one day has a proper name - Saturday.

According to the Torah, the commandment to observe the Sabbath was established by the Almighty, Who, having completed the Creation of the world in six days, blessed and sanctified the seventh day. We read in the book of Shemot, in the chapter about the Jews receiving the Ten Commandments on Mount Sinai: "Remember the Sabbath day, to sanctify it. Six days you shall labor and do all your work. But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Almighty: you shall not do any work - neither your son, nor your daughter, nor your man-servant, nor your maid-servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Almighty made heaven and earth and the sea and all that is in them, and on the seventh day he rested. Therefore, the Almighty blessed the Sabbath day and sanctified it."

The Torah calls the Sabbath a holiday on which it is forbidden to do work - even in the midst of the field harvest; in addition, it is forbidden to light a fire on the Sabbath. Anyone who violates these prohibitions is severely punished by the court. In those places in the Torah where holidays are listed, the Sabbath is mentioned first. The prophet Isaiah foresaw that the Jewish people would be exalted if they considered the Sabbath their delight, the holy day of God.

Ziljoe:
I understand that the Torah has certain laws to the Jews that they must be obeyed and / or respected . What I don't understand is how it has any relevance to a group of students having a winter hike in the Urals, when hiking was a standard pass time for all the population in the Soviet Union and all countries around the world. It could be summer or winter , any day of the week.

Who is the 'court' that punishes ? The Shabbat is a celebration in respect to the Judaism and also is echoed In many religions of respect to the scripture's that choose to believe that God made the world in 6 days.

I'm sure we have all broken that circumstantial law. Where does this fit in with the dyatlov group? There were at least 3 other groups of hikers at the same time lighting fires, eating, fixing tents at the same time. Mansi would have being doing the same. Atheist russian people, Buddahs, , Muslim and any other respectful people.

I still don't understand the context .the hikers didn't violate any law.

Axelrod:
I don't understand the constant objections, because my observations are correct. Of course, in the modern world the idea of ​​violating the Torah sounds strange as an explanation, but we have it as a medical fact, unlike other studies - ritual murder, a rocket fall, an avalanche on a tent, a UFO landing, a single Yeti and in this very place. Nothing if this fits there. I didn't find any clues there, in this popular ideas, except for a play of fantasy, springs of faith and deep faith.

Other tourist groups probably didn't sew up their tents during the hike. Even if they had something torn during the hike that needed to be sewn up, it wasn't in such quantities and it was probably a different day of the week, not Saturday. Even if it was Saturday, they didn't have so many violations.

It was as if Dyatlov's group was deliberately collecting penalty points in this game of life and death. I studied the diaries and found a lot of violations. Sewing work collects a lot of "penalty points". The work of sewing shoe covers and mending the tent seemed to have been specially done on two Shabbats (January 23-24 and January 30-31). Why did Zina write two letters at night on the train (departure at 9 pm) if it is forbidden by the Torah? Plus cutting out and cutting out fabric - prohibition number 30. On Saturday, January 31, they were also sewing curtains at the entrance to the tent (the canopy justifies itself).

If they had planned a cold overnight stay, then why didn't they do it on the night from Friday to Saturday, as prescribed in Judaism, but chose the night from Sunday to Monday?

The Unknown Man's diary of two entries seemed to have been specially filled in on these days. Writing text on Shabbat is also forbidden by the Torah, also a penalty point.

All this led to what it led to. We need to figure out the version of the tragedy, and then understand that the reason is in the violation of these points.
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Я не понимаю постоянных возражений, потому что наблюдения у меня правильные. Кончено, в современном мире идея нарушения Торы звучит странное как объяснение, но мы это имеем как медицинский факт, в отличие от других исследований - ритуальное убийстве, падение ракеты, сход лавины на палатку, десант НЛО, йети в единственном экземпляре и именно в этом месте. Там ничего не сходится. Я не нашёл там никаких зацепок, кроме игры фантазии и глубокой веры.

Другие туристические группы, наверное, не зашивали свои палатки в походе. Даже если у них что-то порвалось в походе, что надо было зашить, то не в таких количествах и наверно это был другой день недели, не суббота. Если даже это была суббота, то у них не происходило столько нарушений.

Группа Дятлова как будто специально набирала штрафные очки в этой игре с жизнью и смертью. Я изучил дневники и нашёл очень много нарушений. Работы по шитью набирают очень много «штрафных очков». Работы по шитью чехлов для обуви и по зашиванию палатки как будто специально произошли в два шаббата (23-24 января и 30-31 января). Зачем Зина писала 2 письма ночью в  поезде (отправление в 9 вечера), если это запрещено Торой? Плюс раскройка и вырезание ткани – запрет номер 30. В субботу 31 января они ещё пришивали занавески на входе в палатку (полог себя оправдывает).

Если у них была запланирована холодная ночёвка, то почему они её не сделали в ночь с пятницы на субботу, как это предписано в иудаизме, а выбрали ночь с воскресенья на понедельник?

Дневник Неизвестного из 2 записей как будто специально заполнялся именно в эти дни. Писать текст в Шаббат тоже запрещается Торой, тоже штрафное очко.

Всё это привело к тому, к чему привело. Надо разобраться с версией трагедии, а потом понять, что причина в нарушении этих пунктов.

Ziljoe:
Are the Dyatlov hikers Jews or practicing Judaism?

Axelrod:

--- Quote from: Ziljoe on September 07, 2024, 06:56:19 AM ---Are the Dyatlov hikers Jews or practicing Judaism?

--- End quote ---
Unfortunately, no... Judaism wasn't popular in that region. Only Slava Valukevicius mightly was practicing Judaism.

But it is written by the prophet Zechariah (8:23): “…in those days 10 men of all languages ​​will seize hold of a Jew by the hem of his coat, saying, ‘Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.’”

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