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What has religion got to do with the DPI?
Missi:
First of all, I'm sorry, if this shouldn't go down in the subforum, but I'm not looking for a purely religious discussion about the DPI, rather I'm confused and hope, someone can enlighten me.
When I first joined here, I believe there was no subforum about religious theories about what happened with the dyatlovites. Maybe I'm mistaken and only forgot about it. When I came back just now, I was very confused as to what religion could have to do with everything, especially considering, that the USSR was - as far as I was told - about as atheist as they come.
I tried to read the threads in the according subforum. I tried to get a glimpse of what is supposed to be explained. I can't make head nor tail of it.
Is anyone able to explain, what religion - aside maybe from that of the Mansi, if you consider them as being a vital part of what happened - has to do with the DPI? And preferable in a short consistent summery? Thanks.
If this does not belong here or doubles or whatever, please tell me, point me in the right direction and move the thread to wherever it belongs. Thanks.
Axelrod:
The fact is that the investigation of the Dyatlov Pass incident is itself a religion. People fervently believe in certain theories, such as the miracles of the Bible. It's essentially a new religion.
I'm using an analogy. We know the Gospel of Matthew and Luke (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John).
Similarly, here, we have similar witnesses in the criminal case, only with different names (Slobtsov, Sogrin, Karelin, Chernyshov and others).
Also we have 4 witness testimonies about fireballs.
As for the Mansi religion, there are no clear indications that the Mansi were involved in this event.
GlennM:
It has been said there are no atheists on a sinking ship. The same could be said for the DP9. The larger question is about Divine intervention. One school of thought is that God, the Supreme Being and Unmoved Mover, exists out of space and time and therefore does nothing to change physical events. Praying and offering sacrifice changes nothing. The opposite view is that God exists in the same reality as you and I. This belief is the foundation of many religions. Consequently, prayer, sacrifice and devotion are methods the faithful employ to invoke God (or the gods) to alter events to produce a favorable outcome.
God does not take tests, so God's existance can not be proven, nor falsified, but God or the gods can be believed.
Additionally, the fear of eternal damnation provides extra incentive to be faithful.
Karl Marx said religion is the opiate of the people, yet people believe in spite of political pressure to abandon beliefs. Each of the Dyatlovites had their own world view and some idea about what lies beyond death, It is tragic that an indifferent set of weather driven circumstances accelerated their fateful exit from this life.
Religion could well have played a part in their thinking, but deliverance was not granted.
Missi:
--- Quote from: Axelrod on January 17, 2026, 03:22:22 PM ---The fact is that the investigation of the Dyatlov Pass incident is itself a religion. People fervently believe in certain theories, such as the miracles of the Bible. It's essentially a new religion.
--- End quote ---
Yes, for some people that seems to be true. Although I rather discuss events with those providing proof or at least plausibility instead of belief.
--- Quote from: Axelrod on January 17, 2026, 03:22:22 PM ---I'm using an analogy. We know the Gospel of Matthew and Luke (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John).
Similarly, here, we have similar witnesses in the criminal case, only with different names (Slobtsov, Sogrin, Karelin, Chernyshov and others).
Also we have 4 witness testimonies about fireballs.
--- End quote ---
Sure. We have the tales of different people that wrote down what they were told (in case of the Bible) or what they saw / remembered of that they saw / think they saw (in case of the DPI). I'm not quite sure, where that leads us.
--- Quote from: Axelrod on January 17, 2026, 03:22:22 PM ---As for the Mansi religion, there are no clear indications that the Mansi were involved in this event.
--- End quote ---
Agreed.
--- Quote from: GlennM on January 17, 2026, 09:49:55 PM ---It has been said there are no atheists on a sinking ship. The same could be said for the DP9. The larger question is about Divine intervention. One school of thought is that God, the Supreme Being and Unmoved Mover, exists out of space and time and therefore does nothing to change physical events. Praying and offering sacrifice changes nothing. The opposite view is that God exists in the same reality as you and I. This belief is the foundation of many religions. Consequently, prayer, sacrifice and devotion are methods the faithful employ to invoke God (or the gods) to alter events to produce a favorable outcome.
God does not take tests, so God's existance can not be proven, nor falsified, but God or the gods can be believed.
Additionally, the fear of eternal damnation provides extra incentive to be faithful.
Karl Marx said religion is the opiate of the people, yet people believe in spite of political pressure to abandon beliefs. Each of the Dyatlovites had their own world view and some idea about what lies beyond death, It is tragic that an indifferent set of weather driven circumstances accelerated their fateful exit from this life.
Religion could well have played a part in their thinking, but deliverance was not granted.
--- End quote ---
Sure, if you find your life threatened, you start praying. (Or to quote the Simpsons: "I'm praying. To Buddha, Jesus, Spongebob...") But that's an entire different thing. We try to prove what happened, but we can't even prove the existence of one or several gods, so how could we prove they intervened? Especially since the hikers died, whether they prayed or not, they were not saved, so it doesn't matter what they believed in of whether they prayed in the end. So what's religion got to do with anything?
Axelrod:
Prayer is clearly associated with Christianity, but other religions are less closely associated with prayer.
In the context of religion, prayer is almost unimportant.
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