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Hubris and risk taking?
GlennM:
"an interview from Boris Gudkov, including the diary of their hike, which included Otorten, but it was not their main goal. Otorten is not interesting in the summer, the Dyatlov group wanted to be the first to climb it in winter when the weather is brutal".
This passage taken from DyatlovPass.com makes it clear that the selection of Ortoten in winter as a destination was not because of distance, but rather diffuculty. The hikers could have gotten their certification going elsewhere, but the conquest of Ortoten in winter was too tempting to ignore. Is it likely that in order to achieve the conquest of Ortoten in winter, certain risks were taken which ended in disaster? Igor was warned to avoid 1079 by the forester, but went there anyway. Onve there, the group was beaten back by the weather. This meant lost time. To make up for the lost time, the group kept to the high ground and deliberately travelled light. Nature was unkind. Could it be that a desire for glory became their undoing?
KathleenDSmith1:
Everyone and Teddy:
I believe that upon arriving to the site of MT Otorten, and this is what is bothering "ME" the most of this bad incident, woodstove, was not setup???? Either someone forgotten the wood at "Dyatlov’s labaz" or didn't realize how cold/freezing cold it would be if traveled to find wood?????
Yes, I do believe all were Murdered...but 'HOW" or "WHO" did it??????
Thank You
Kathleen Dee Smith
Axelrod:
When you talk about heroism, you have to consider mountains with some serious obstacles.
In Dyatlov's case, it's called "hanging around doing nothing."
Maybe some palcrs are problematic in the winter, but they underestimated them, because they were used to routine.
But there were 40 rescuers after then, and not a single person died.
Only Sharavin had a concussion.
Usually such places are interesting in summer, because you can pick some berries there.
That's why I go up to the mountains in summer. I can't imagine what you can do in winter. You can probably break the ice on the river and fish, but you don't have to go up to the mountains for that.
My house is 360 meters above sea level, and my apartment is 370 meters above sea level.
This summer I only went out for a walk TO MOUNTAINS on May 4 and September 4, but in general the summer was hot, and I only walked in the park.
Recently I went out only to check the dependence of radiation on altitude, to check Shamil's theory. I measured radiation at three places where people died.
First, on the ring road, I measured radiation near a rock where a person was hit by a car.
The average radiation value at the site of the accident and death was 7 microroentgen.
Then I measured the radiation when I crossed the stream at the beginning of the climb (40 minutes from the city).
The measurements showed 12 and 16. I was sitting on a reinforced concrete slab across the stream. The readings were the same at home, perhaps this is due to the delezobeton.
I sat and rested for 5 minutes (I left the house at 10:40 and crossed the stream at 12 noon), and the climb took 55 minutes. The descent took 54 minutes (the difference in altitude is 300 meters, like between the Dyatlov tent and the cedar). I went down at 14:00. In my case, the cedar is on top. In the middle of the climb, I stopped at a cross where someone once died. The cross is overgrown with grass and trees, and you can't see it.
At the top of the climb there is a tree, similar to a cedar with broken branches. Next to it (3-5 meters) there is a cross, installed before 2003.
When I was going down, I met an old woman from the neighboring house (70 years old), who climbed up without much difficulty.
What I want to say. When I climbed up for raspberries (and for berries in general) at 30-35 degrees, it is more difficult than a walk in spring or autumn. Raspberries grow when it is rare, so I stopped several times on the way up (300 meters of altitude, from 470 at the stream and 770 meters on the ridge), I stopped every 50 meters of altitude. It was not difficult to climb up at a temperature of 25, I stopped only once, in the middle of the climb, to measure the radiation at the cross of the deceased.
I asked why there are grave crosses. I was told that one person died because it was a pity in the summer and the atmosphere was such that his heart could not stand the stuffiness, and he died. I was also told that one person froze to death in the winter. Which cross refers to which deceased, I do not know. Probably the person in the middle of the road froze to death, and died from overheating at the top.
Theodora writes that visiting Otorten this summer was prevented by cold and rain.
We had a different situation, in the summer it was so hot that when I went to the store, I immediately returned tired from the heat. The most tiring day was August 21, when I had to go out 2 times, and I spent 10 minutes on it 2 times.
Each cross had 7 microroentgen. All 3 unfortunate places showed an average value of 7 microroentgen (between 6 and 9), this reminded me of Igor Pavlov's nickname (s777).
Yes, of course we were told that someone killed or robbed someone in the forest, but these are all fairy tales for children, so that they are afraid to go.
Ziljoe:
--- Quote from: GlennM on September 08, 2024, 08:12:54 PM ---"an interview from Boris Gudkov, including the diary of their hike, which included Otorten, but it was not their main goal. Otorten is not interesting in the summer, the Dyatlov group wanted to be the first to climb it in winter when the weather is brutal".
This passage taken from DyatlovPass.com makes it clear that the selection of Ortoten in winter as a destination was not because of distance, but rather diffuculty. The hikers could have gotten their certification going elsewhere, but the conquest of Ortoten in winter was too tempting to ignore. Is it likely that in order to achieve the conquest of Ortoten in winter, certain risks were taken which ended in disaster? Igor was warned to avoid 1079 by the forester, but went there anyway. Onve there, the group was beaten back by the weather. This meant lost time. To make up for the lost time, the group kept to the high ground and deliberately travelled light. Nature was unkind. Could it be that a desire for glory became their undoing?
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I don't think they were overly confident or taking risks any more than any other hiking group. One of the other groups ran into trouble with their tent catching fire and another group had someone with frostbite. Then there's the rafting expedition where people drowned.
If they had stuck to the shelter of the treeline and did a quick approach to Mt Otorten then they wouldn't have been exposed. It's still difficult to understand the reason for pitching the tent on 1079 , although we have the possible explanation of the weather or that they decided on short hike up the slope to prepare for an early start the next morning .
If it was the weather , then they would know the shelter of the treeline was only a mile away, so that would be the best option.
So it seems that they choose to camp on the slope and that was the tipping point.
Axelrod:
--- Quote from: Ziljoe on September 09, 2024, 08:00:34 AM ---If it was the weather , then they would know the shelter of the treeline was only a mile away, so that would be the best option.
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Russians don't think/talk in miles or Fahrenheits.
Fahrenheit is always a book, a movie, or an incomprehensible temperature. Miles are bonuses for air travel.
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