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St. Elmo's fire
PJ:
So something new to the atmospheric phenomenons ;)
I am not into the Lightning strike / Ball lightning theory at all, from my point of view this atmospheric phenomenons last too short to force people to run away from the tent, and if there will be thunderstorm they will dress up properly before leaving.
But there is another atmospheric phenomenon called: St. Elmo's fire ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Elmo%27s_fire )
It do not need thunderstorm to happened and it is not very unusual phenomenon, but could scared people and could last for some time ( in this meteo station it was observed few times: https://atoptics.wordpress.com/2013/10/11/extremely-st-elmos-fire-on-mt-hoher-sonnblick/ ).
From the last normal photo where they set up the camp looks like that they are in clouds so one of the conditions that usually happens with St. Elmo's fire. It is possible that it happen there, but do you think that if the sparks start going from tent and skies around it will scared them enough to decided to not touch the tent, and after waiting around for a bit and the sparks still going just go down to forest for shelter?
Monika:
Hello,I was fascinated by this theory.
If the tent was struck by an electric current and the circuit closed, they did not get back into the tent for a long time. This theory is one that would explain:
1. Why didn't they leave the tent through the buttoned entrance
2. Why couldn't they pick things from the tent later
3. Their organized and normal transport into the forest and their other “cold-blooded” activity as build of the fire, the den.
Whether this phenomenon could have moved later into the forest (to the fire and the den where it caused a blast wave, which caused severe injuries to Ljuda nand Zolotarev) or whether other phenomena joined this phenomenon near the den - these are only theoretical possibilities. Unfortunately, st.Elmo or plasmoids phenomena in nature have not yet been explored but it is well-known that in Ural mountains took place and killed/injured in the past.
Nigel Evans:
I think it's unlikely that SEF on it's own could scare them out of the tent not to return. Some members of the group were highly technical and would have just been interested rather than scared. It would have to have been more than just "a glowing".
PJ:
As I said, I am not big fan of the atmospheric phenomenons theory, I just write about the St. Elmo's fires as it is something that I am familiar with.
I think that St. Elmo's fires could scared them out of tent, even to cut it for quick escape as the sparks could be very frightening but after leaving the tent they will figure it out that it is not that dangerous - they were inside the tent with the St. Elmo's fires on it and nobody got hurt so it mean that at last we could touch the tent and take some gear before going down to forest.
Each of the atmospheric phenomenons has some weak points that make them not frightening enough to leave the tent immediately or not return to it for a long time. It is very unlikely that two or three of them happens in one time.
sarapuk:
--- Quote from: PJ on May 10, 2020, 06:13:20 PM ---So something new to the atmospheric phenomenons ;)
I am not into the Lightning strike / Ball lightning theory at all, from my point of view this atmospheric phenomenons last too short to force people to run away from the tent, and if there will be thunderstorm they will dress up properly before leaving.
But there is another atmospheric phenomenon called: St. Elmo's fire ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Elmo%27s_fire )
It do not need thunderstorm to happened and it is not very unusual phenomenon, but could scared people and could last for some time ( in this meteo station it was observed few times: https://atoptics.wordpress.com/2013/10/11/extremely-st-elmos-fire-on-mt-hoher-sonnblick/ ).
From the last normal photo where they set up the camp looks like that they are in clouds so one of the conditions that usually happens with St. Elmo's fire. It is possible that it happen there, but do you think that if the sparks start going from tent and skies around it will scared them enough to decided to not touch the tent, and after waiting around for a bit and the sparks still going just go down to forest for shelter?
--- End quote ---
You hit the nail on the head straight away when you intimated that people would not be easily scared and would have the time and inclination to dress properly. And that would probably apply to both short or longer atmospheric phenomena.
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