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Theories Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Nigel Evans on March 09, 2019, 10:10:21 AM
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It occurs to me that there is a narrative that combines the evidence.
UFO phenomena includes radar signatures, one report that comes to mind was of an object "the size of an aircraft carrier traveling at 7000 mph..".
Radar uses microwaves.
So... if we have electro magnetic phenomena as photographed by Semyon then there could have been a massive radar signature as well.
This could result in the Soviet military in the middle of Cold War paranoia lobbing a low yield nuclear device at Kholat Syakhl.
Then they realise there's been some collateral damage and order a clampdown and coverup. Oops.
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It occurs to me that there is a narrative that combines the evidence.
UFO phenomena includes radar signatures, one report that comes to mind was of an object "the size of an aircraft carrier traveling at 7000 mph..".
Radar uses microwaves.
So... if we have electro magnetic phenomena as photographed by Semyon then there could have been a massive radar signature as well.
This could result in the Soviet military in the middle of Cold War paranoia lobbing a low yield nuclear device at Kholat Syakhl.
Then they realise there's been some collateral damage and order a clampdown and coverup. Oops.
What !? Are you serious. It was the 1950's you know. Not sure if the USSR Military were that advanced or not even the US Military. In other words any Detection of such a massive Radar Signature would imply that the Soviets had such advanced equipment to be able to say for certain what it was they were lobbing a Nuke at . This is one of the most unlikely Theories yet.
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It occurs to me that there is a narrative that combines the evidence.
UFO phenomena includes radar signatures, one report that comes to mind was of an object "the size of an aircraft carrier traveling at 7000 mph..".
Radar uses microwaves.
So... if we have electro magnetic phenomena as photographed by Semyon then there could have been a massive radar signature as well.
This could result in the Soviet military in the middle of Cold War paranoia lobbing a low yield nuclear device at Kholat Syakhl.
Then they realise there's been some collateral damage and order a clampdown and coverup. Oops.
What !? Are you serious. It was the 1950's you know. Not sure if the USSR Military were that advanced or not even the US Military. In other words any Detection of such a massive Radar Signature would imply that the Soviets had such advanced equipment to be able to say for certain what it was they were lobbing a Nuke at . This is one of the most unlikely Theories yet.
Nonsense do your homework.
https://history.state.gov/milestones/1953-1960/u2-incident
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It occurs to me that there is a narrative that combines the evidence.
UFO phenomena includes radar signatures, one report that comes to mind was of an object "the size of an aircraft carrier traveling at 7000 mph..".
Radar uses microwaves.
So... if we have electro magnetic phenomena as photographed by Semyon then there could have been a massive radar signature as well.
This could result in the Soviet military in the middle of Cold War paranoia lobbing a low yield nuclear device at Kholat Syakhl.
Then they realise there's been some collateral damage and order a clampdown and coverup. Oops.
Even if there was a large signature on their radar, lobbing a nuke at it doesn't sound like a good idea. Much more likely to have been secretly testing a nuke to try and catch up with the USA who had already developed the low yield tactical devices.
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It occurs to me that there is a narrative that combines the evidence.
UFO phenomena includes radar signatures, one report that comes to mind was of an object "the size of an aircraft carrier traveling at 7000 mph..".
Radar uses microwaves.
So... if we have electro magnetic phenomena as photographed by Semyon then there could have been a massive radar signature as well.
This could result in the Soviet military in the middle of Cold War paranoia lobbing a low yield nuclear device at Kholat Syakhl.
Then they realise there's been some collateral damage and order a clampdown and coverup. Oops.
What !? Are you serious. It was the 1950's you know. Not sure if the USSR Military were that advanced or not even the US Military. In other words any Detection of such a massive Radar Signature would imply that the Soviets had such advanced equipment to be able to say for certain what it was they were lobbing a Nuke at . This is one of the most unlikely Theories yet.
Nonsense do your homework.
https://history.state.gov/milestones/1953-1960/u2-incident
Did they toss a nuke at it? afraid7
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It occurs to me that there is a narrative that combines the evidence.
UFO phenomena includes radar signatures, one report that comes to mind was of an object "the size of an aircraft carrier traveling at 7000 mph..".
Radar uses microwaves.
So... if we have electro magnetic phenomena as photographed by Semyon then there could have been a massive radar signature as well.
This could result in the Soviet military in the middle of Cold War paranoia lobbing a low yield nuclear device at Kholat Syakhl.
Then they realise there's been some collateral damage and order a clampdown and coverup. Oops.
Even if there was a large signature on their radar, lobbing a nuke at it doesn't sound like a good idea. Much more likely to have been secretly testing a nuke to try and catch up with the USA who had already developed the low yield tactical devices.
A low yield nuke missile gives you all the mystery ingredients. NO2, radiation.
I struggle with the idea that they would perform an above ground nuke test at that location and an underground test wouldn't create contamination?
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It occurs to me that there is a narrative that combines the evidence.
UFO phenomena includes radar signatures, one report that comes to mind was of an object "the size of an aircraft carrier traveling at 7000 mph..".
Radar uses microwaves.
So... if we have electro magnetic phenomena as photographed by Semyon then there could have been a massive radar signature as well.
This could result in the Soviet military in the middle of Cold War paranoia lobbing a low yield nuclear device at Kholat Syakhl.
Then they realise there's been some collateral damage and order a clampdown and coverup. Oops.
Even if there was a large signature on their radar, lobbing a nuke at it doesn't sound like a good idea. Much more likely to have been secretly testing a nuke to try and catch up with the USA who had already developed the low yield tactical devices.
A low yield nuke missile gives you all the mystery ingredients. NO2, radiation.
I struggle with the idea that they would perform an above ground nuke test at that location and an underground test wouldn't create contamination?
It does give all the ingredients. An underground test might have been detected via seismic activity detectors, so if it was a test then I don't think they would have used this method. I would still only give the nue test 5:1 odds without further evidence.
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It does give all the ingredients. An underground test might have been detected via seismic activity detectors, so if it was a test then I don't think they would have used this method. I would still only give the nue test 5:1 odds without further evidence.
Well the key missing ingredient is knowing what the isotope was. If not potassium then the water test suggests very high levels initially. The potassium theory has to be an outlier so the probability is that there were high levels of say strontium. But Ivanov discounts this and opts for fire orbs. I think he knew what the isotope was and it's origin. As ever it's about his interview.
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It does give all the ingredients. An underground test might have been detected via seismic activity detectors, so if it was a test then I don't think they would have used this method. I would still only give the nue test 5:1 odds without further evidence.
Well the key missing ingredient is knowing what the isotope was. If not potassium then the water test suggests very high levels initially. The potassium theory has to be an outlier so the probability is that there were high levels of say strontium. But Ivanov discounts this and opts for fire orbs. I think he knew what the isotope was and it's origin. As ever it's about his interview.
The missing evidence is probably still there today. In the trees. Strontium 90 spike in the tree rings from 60 years ago, accompanied by a more dispersed but on average higher concentration of caesium 137 throughout the tree rings. If this isn't present then the nuke theory can be ruled out. If it is there then case closed.
Regards
Star man
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It does give all the ingredients. An underground test might have been detected via seismic activity detectors, so if it was a test then I don't think they would have used this method. I would still only give the nue test 5:1 odds without further evidence.
Well the key missing ingredient is knowing what the isotope was. If not potassium then the water test suggests very high levels initially. The potassium theory has to be an outlier so the probability is that there were high levels of say strontium. But Ivanov discounts this and opts for fire orbs. I think he knew what the isotope was and it's origin. As ever it's about his interview.
The missing evidence is probably still there today. In the trees. Strontium 90 spike in the tree rings from 60 years ago, accompanied by a more dispersed but on average higher concentration of caesium 137 throughout the tree rings. If this isn't present then the nuke theory can be ruled out. If it is there then case closed.
Regards
Star man
Not case closed. There are two key events seperated in time, the tent and the ravine and there's only one explosion?
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It does give all the ingredients. An underground test might have been detected via seismic activity detectors, so if it was a test then I don't think they would have used this method. I would still only give the nue test 5:1 odds without further evidence.
Well the key missing ingredient is knowing what the isotope was. If not potassium then the water test suggests very high levels initially. The potassium theory has to be an outlier so the probability is that there were high levels of say strontium. But Ivanov discounts this and opts for fire orbs. I think he knew what the isotope was and it's origin. As ever it's about his interview.
The missing evidence is probably still there today. In the trees. Strontium 90 spike in the tree rings from 60 years ago, accompanied by a more dispersed but on average higher concentration of caesium 137 throughout the tree rings. If this isn't present then the nuke theory can be ruled out. If it is there then case closed.
Regards
Star man
Not case closed. There are two key events seperated in time, the tent and the ravine and there's only one explosion?
I think the tree rings would tell us about the nuke and therefore the initiator or otherwise. I don’t think there needs to be a second cause for the ravine, but you’re right it doesn’t rule out secondary issues such as the survivors may have been killed. It doesn’t look like there was any secondary involvement on the face of it though.
Regards
Star man
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Alderney sighting reported by two aircraft, highly experienced captain plus passengers.
Two yellow/golden cigar shaped objects possibly a mile long showing up on radar.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/Alderney_VVVs_van_23_April_2007%2C_a.jpg/600px-Alderney_VVVs_van_23_April_2007%2C_a.jpg)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Alderney_UFO_sighting
Interviews with Captain.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnkchjaDEoA
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Alderney sighting reported by two aircraft, highly experienced captain plus passengers.
Two yellow/golden cigar shaped objects possibly a mile long showing up on radar.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/Alderney_VVVs_van_23_April_2007%2C_a.jpg/600px-Alderney_VVVs_van_23_April_2007%2C_a.jpg)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Alderney_UFO_sighting
Interviews with Captain.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnkchjaDEoA
The cigar shaped objects don’t look real. The light reflecting off them does not correspond with the light source. Looks like a fake to me.
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The cigar shaped objects don’t look real. The light reflecting off them does not correspond with the light source. Looks like a fake to me.
Artists impression!
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Soviets tested a low yield device in 1955 for a nuclear torpedo so a plausible case that they had the technology available in 1959.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_atomic_bomb_project#RDS-9
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Bingo?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-75_Dvina"Wide-scale deployment started in 1957, with various upgrades following over the next few years.""The V-750 is a two-stage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multistage_rocket) missile consisting of a solid-fuel booster and a storable liquid-fuel upper stage, which burns red fuming nitric acid (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_fuming_nitric_acid) as the oxidizer and kerosene as the fuel.""One version, the SA-2E, mounted a 295 kg (650 lb) nuclear (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon) warhead of an estimated 15 kiloton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TNT_equivalent) yield or a conventional warhead (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warhead) of similar weight."
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Bingo?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-75_Dvina"Wide-scale deployment started in 1957, with various upgrades following over the next few years.""The V-750 is a two-stage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multistage_rocket) missile consisting of a solid-fuel booster and a storable liquid-fuel upper stage, which burns red fuming nitric acid (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_fuming_nitric_acid) as the oxidizer and kerosene as the fuel.""One version, the SA-2E, mounted a 295 kg (650 lb) nuclear (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon) warhead of an estimated 15 kiloton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TNT_equivalent) yield or a conventional warhead (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warhead) of similar weight."
Ok so where are you going with this?
Regards
Star man
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Bingo?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-75_Dvina (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-75_Dvina)"Wide-scale deployment started in 1957, with various upgrades following over the next few years.""The V-750 is a two-stage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multistage_rocket) missile consisting of a solid-fuel booster and a storable liquid-fuel upper stage, which burns red fuming nitric acid (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_fuming_nitric_acid) as the oxidizer and kerosene as the fuel.""One version, the SA-2E, mounted a 295 kg (650 lb) nuclear (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon) warhead of an estimated 15 kiloton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TNT_equivalent) yield or a conventional warhead (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warhead) of similar weight."
Ok so where are you going with this?
Regards
Star man
Good question :)
The natural source theory (potassium) for the tests on the ravine 4 has to be an outlier. But if the radiation is man made then the water test shows that the most probable scenario is (very) high levels at the time of the DPI event. So there is no moderate artificial contamination scenario, it's either natural (unlikely) or high levels that are very difficult to explain as occupational.
and there's good evidence of electro magnetic phenomena, no2/nitric acid exposure and the snow being unusually warm.
and the Soviets had SAM missiles that could have been fitted with low yield nuclear warheads as well as conventional.
So the narrative could be that in the cold war paranoia of the period they saw a massive object on radar hovering over the Urals and sent one of more SAM's in. Maybe they'd been reading comics about alien invasion...
Maybe the first SAM had a conventional warhead and when that didn't work they escalated.
If the missiles exploded in front of the western side of the ridge it would shelter the tent and the forest from the blast. But the wind would carry radioactive dust / NO2 or nitric acid over the tent area.
So it's a narrative that connects a lot of seemingly unconnected pieces of evidence which i like. It's still difficult to explain the rav4 deaths without damage to the trees. Maybe that was ball lightning... kewl1
Then they told Ivanov to cease investigating and closed the case when they had all the bodies closing the area for several years.
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It occurs to me that there is a narrative that combines the evidence.
UFO phenomena includes radar signatures, one report that comes to mind was of an object "the size of an aircraft carrier traveling at 7000 mph..".
Radar uses microwaves.
So... if we have electro magnetic phenomena as photographed by Semyon then there could have been a massive radar signature as well.
This could result in the Soviet military in the middle of Cold War paranoia lobbing a low yield nuclear device at Kholat Syakhl.
Then they realise there's been some collateral damage and order a clampdown and coverup. Oops.
What !? Are you serious. It was the 1950's you know. Not sure if the USSR Military were that advanced or not even the US Military. In other words any Detection of such a massive Radar Signature would imply that the Soviets had such advanced equipment to be able to say for certain what it was they were lobbing a Nuke at . This is one of the most unlikely Theories yet.
Nonsense do your homework.
https://history.state.gov/milestones/1953-1960/u2-incident
Well clearly you havnt done your homework and you are talking nonsense.
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It occurs to me that there is a narrative that combines the evidence.
UFO phenomena includes radar signatures, one report that comes to mind was of an object "the size of an aircraft carrier traveling at 7000 mph..".
Radar uses microwaves.
So... if we have electro magnetic phenomena as photographed by Semyon then there could have been a massive radar signature as well.
This could result in the Soviet military in the middle of Cold War paranoia lobbing a low yield nuclear device at Kholat Syakhl.
Then they realise there's been some collateral damage and order a clampdown and coverup. Oops.
Even if there was a large signature on their radar, lobbing a nuke at it doesn't sound like a good idea. Much more likely to have been secretly testing a nuke to try and catch up with the USA who had already developed the low yield tactical devices.
A low yield nuke missile gives you all the mystery ingredients. NO2, radiation.
I struggle with the idea that they would perform an above ground nuke test at that location and an underground test wouldn't create contamination?
Mystery ingredients ! ? The mystery is, why on earth would the Soviet Military LOB a Nuclear Weapon in the first place ! ? Not a very good idea is it. But I suppose it helps your NO2 cause. A cause that is becoming full of holes.
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It does give all the ingredients. An underground test might have been detected via seismic activity detectors, so if it was a test then I don't think they would have used this method. I would still only give the nue test 5:1 odds without further evidence.
Well the key missing ingredient is knowing what the isotope was. If not potassium then the water test suggests very high levels initially. The potassium theory has to be an outlier so the probability is that there were high levels of say strontium. But Ivanov discounts this and opts for fire orbs. I think he knew what the isotope was and it's origin. As ever it's about his interview.
The missing evidence is probably still there today. In the trees. Strontium 90 spike in the tree rings from 60 years ago, accompanied by a more dispersed but on average higher concentration of caesium 137 throughout the tree rings. If this isn't present then the nuke theory can be ruled out. If it is there then case closed.
Regards
Star man
You can rule out the Nuclear Theory, and Iam surprised that its still being pushed as the cause of the Dyatlov Incident. Its pointless talking about Particles like Strontium 90 when other factors are completely unknown. Its just pure guess work. And the Authorities almost certainly carried out further Investigations at the Site when it was closed down for several years.
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It does give all the ingredients. An underground test might have been detected via seismic activity detectors, so if it was a test then I don't think they would have used this method. I would still only give the nue test 5:1 odds without further evidence.
Well the key missing ingredient is knowing what the isotope was. If not potassium then the water test suggests very high levels initially. The potassium theory has to be an outlier so the probability is that there were high levels of say strontium. But Ivanov discounts this and opts for fire orbs. I think he knew what the isotope was and it's origin. As ever it's about his interview.
The missing evidence is probably still there today. In the trees. Strontium 90 spike in the tree rings from 60 years ago, accompanied by a more dispersed but on average higher concentration of caesium 137 throughout the tree rings. If this isn't present then the nuke theory can be ruled out. If it is there then case closed.
Regards
Star man
Not case closed. There are two key events seperated in time, the tent and the ravine and there's only one explosion?
Only one explosion ! ? How do you know ! ? You want us to believe that the Soviet Military LOBBED a Nuclear weapon, so why not 2 or 3 such Weapons ! ?
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Alderney sighting reported by two aircraft, highly experienced captain plus passengers.
Two yellow/golden cigar shaped objects possibly a mile long showing up on radar.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/Alderney_VVVs_van_23_April_2007%2C_a.jpg/600px-Alderney_VVVs_van_23_April_2007%2C_a.jpg)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Alderney_UFO_sighting
Interviews with Captain.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnkchjaDEoA
Irrelevant Information again.
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Soviets tested a low yield device in 1955 for a nuclear torpedo so a plausible case that they had the technology available in 1959.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_atomic_bomb_project#RDS-9
The Soviet Military had the technology to build Nuclear Warheads. Obvious Information. And like the USA they gradually throughout the 1960's and 70's and 80's were able to put some of those Weapons into, lets say, smaller vehicles for delivery to the targets.
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Bingo?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-75_Dvina"Wide-scale deployment started in 1957, with various upgrades following over the next few years.""The V-750 is a two-stage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multistage_rocket) missile consisting of a solid-fuel booster and a storable liquid-fuel upper stage, which burns red fuming nitric acid (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_fuming_nitric_acid) as the oxidizer and kerosene as the fuel.""One version, the SA-2E, mounted a 295 kg (650 lb) nuclear (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon) warhead of an estimated 15 kiloton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TNT_equivalent) yield or a conventional warhead (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warhead) of similar weight."
Bingo what ! ? Its obvious Information. Its not secret and its been known about for a long time.
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Bingo?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-75_Dvina"Wide-scale deployment started in 1957, with various upgrades following over the next few years.""The V-750 is a two-stage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multistage_rocket) missile consisting of a solid-fuel booster and a storable liquid-fuel upper stage, which burns red fuming nitric acid (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_fuming_nitric_acid) as the oxidizer and kerosene as the fuel.""One version, the SA-2E, mounted a 295 kg (650 lb) nuclear (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon) warhead of an estimated 15 kiloton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TNT_equivalent) yield or a conventional warhead (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warhead) of similar weight."
Ok so where are you going with this?
Regards
Star man
Good question. Where on Earth is he going. This Information has been known about for a long time. What use is it to the Dyatlov Case ! ?
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Bingo?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-75_Dvina (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-75_Dvina)"Wide-scale deployment started in 1957, with various upgrades following over the next few years.""The V-750 is a two-stage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multistage_rocket) missile consisting of a solid-fuel booster and a storable liquid-fuel upper stage, which burns red fuming nitric acid (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_fuming_nitric_acid) as the oxidizer and kerosene as the fuel.""One version, the SA-2E, mounted a 295 kg (650 lb) nuclear (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon) warhead of an estimated 15 kiloton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TNT_equivalent) yield or a conventional warhead (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warhead) of similar weight."
Ok so where are you going with this?
Regards
Star man
Good question :)
The natural source theory (potassium) for the tests on the ravine 4 has to be an outlier. But if the radiation is man made then the water test shows that the most probable scenario is (very) high levels at the time of the DPI event. So there is no moderate artificial contamination scenario, it's either natural (unlikely) or high levels that are very difficult to explain as occupational.
and there's good evidence of electro magnetic phenomena, no2/nitric acid exposure and the snow being unusually warm.
and the Soviets had SAM missiles that could have been fitted with low yield nuclear warheads as well as conventional.
So the narrative could be that in the cold war paranoia of the period they saw a massive object on radar hovering over the Urals and sent one of more SAM's in. Maybe they'd been reading comics about alien invasion...
Maybe the first SAM had a conventional warhead and when that didn't work they escalated.
If the missiles exploded in front of the western side of the ridge it would shelter the tent and the forest from the blast. But the wind would carry radioactive dust / NO2 or nitric acid over the tent area.
So it's a narrative that connects a lot of seemingly unconnected pieces of evidence which i like. It's still difficult to explain the rav4 deaths without damage to the trees. Maybe that was ball lightning... kewl1
Then they told Ivanov to cease investigating and closed the case when they had all the bodies closing the area for several years.
[[ and the Soviets had SAM missiles that could have been fitted with low yield nuclear warheads as well as conventional.
So the narrative could be that in the cold war paranoia of the period they saw a massive object on radar hovering over the Urals and sent one of more SAM's in. Maybe they'd been reading comics about alien invasion...]]
Bizarre or what. Are you now suggesting that the Soviets fired Nuclear Weapons at ALIENS. Or should I say that without any real means of deciding if they were friend or foe the Soviets just LOBBED NUKES at them.
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Bingo?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-75_Dvina (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-75_Dvina)"Wide-scale deployment started in 1957, with various upgrades following over the next few years.""The V-750 is a two-stage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multistage_rocket) missile consisting of a solid-fuel booster and a storable liquid-fuel upper stage, which burns red fuming nitric acid (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_fuming_nitric_acid) as the oxidizer and kerosene as the fuel.""One version, the SA-2E, mounted a 295 kg (650 lb) nuclear (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon) warhead of an estimated 15 kiloton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TNT_equivalent) yield or a conventional warhead (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warhead) of similar weight."
Ok so where are you going with this?
Regards
Star man
Good question :)
The natural source theory (potassium) for the tests on the ravine 4 has to be an outlier. But if the radiation is man made then the water test shows that the most probable scenario is (very) high levels at the time of the DPI event. So there is no moderate artificial contamination scenario, it's either natural (unlikely) or high levels that are very difficult to explain as occupational.
and there's good evidence of electro magnetic phenomena, no2/nitric acid exposure and the snow being unusually warm.
and the Soviets had SAM missiles that could have been fitted with low yield nuclear warheads as well as conventional.
So the narrative could be that in the cold war paranoia of the period they saw a massive object on radar hovering over the Urals and sent one of more SAM's in. Maybe they'd been reading comics about alien invasion...
Maybe the first SAM had a conventional warhead and when that didn't work they escalated.
If the missiles exploded in front of the western side of the ridge it would shelter the tent and the forest from the blast. But the wind would carry radioactive dust / NO2 or nitric acid over the tent area.
So it's a narrative that connects a lot of seemingly unconnected pieces of evidence which i like. It's still difficult to explain the rav4 deaths without damage to the trees. Maybe that was ball lightning... kewl1
Then they told Ivanov to cease investigating and closed the case when they had all the bodies closing the area for several years.
I see. You are combining the two theories. In my low yield nuke theory I havent really considered the reason why a nuke would be detonated there. Just suggested it could be a test. But from the research you have done it seems that the technology was already there. A test does seem A strange reason. Some kind of foul up or mistake would be more likely for the nuke theory. A misleading radar signature. Possibly. Maybe thought it was an attack? There are reports of near misses where radar signals were mistakenly interpreted as an attack by the west and they came close to a launch. Scary really.
The injuries could be explained by falls as result of the NO2 affecting the groups cognitive abilities.
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Bizarre or what. Are you now suggesting that the Soviets fired Nuclear Weapons at ALIENS. Or should I say that without any real means of deciding if they were friend or foe the Soviets just LOBBED NUKES at them.
I grew up in the Cold War (in the UK). If attacked there would just be 4 minutes.
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Bingo?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-75_Dvina (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-75_Dvina)"Wide-scale deployment started in 1957, with various upgrades following over the next few years.""The V-750 is a two-stage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multistage_rocket) missile consisting of a solid-fuel booster and a storable liquid-fuel upper stage, which burns red fuming nitric acid (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_fuming_nitric_acid) as the oxidizer and kerosene as the fuel.""One version, the SA-2E, mounted a 295 kg (650 lb) nuclear (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon) warhead of an estimated 15 kiloton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TNT_equivalent) yield or a conventional warhead (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warhead) of similar weight."
Ok so where are you going with this?
Regards
Star man
Good question :)
The natural source theory (potassium) for the tests on the ravine 4 has to be an outlier. But if the radiation is man made then the water test shows that the most probable scenario is (very) high levels at the time of the DPI event. So there is no moderate artificial contamination scenario, it's either natural (unlikely) or high levels that are very difficult to explain as occupational.
and there's good evidence of electro magnetic phenomena, no2/nitric acid exposure and the snow being unusually warm.
and the Soviets had SAM missiles that could have been fitted with low yield nuclear warheads as well as conventional.
So the narrative could be that in the cold war paranoia of the period they saw a massive object on radar hovering over the Urals and sent one of more SAM's in. Maybe they'd been reading comics about alien invasion...
Maybe the first SAM had a conventional warhead and when that didn't work they escalated.
If the missiles exploded in front of the western side of the ridge it would shelter the tent and the forest from the blast. But the wind would carry radioactive dust / NO2 or nitric acid over the tent area.
So it's a narrative that connects a lot of seemingly unconnected pieces of evidence which i like. It's still difficult to explain the rav4 deaths without damage to the trees. Maybe that was ball lightning... kewl1
Then they told Ivanov to cease investigating and closed the case when they had all the bodies closing the area for several years.
I see. You are combining the two theories. In my low yield nuke theory I havent really considered the reason why a nuke would be detonated there. Just suggested it could be a test. But from the research you have done it seems that the technology was already there. A test does seem A strange reason. Some kind of foul up or mistake would be more likely for the nuke theory. A misleading radar signature. Possibly. Maybe thought it was an attack? There are reports of near misses where radar signals were mistakenly interpreted as an attack by the west and they came close to a launch. Scary really.
The injuries could be explained by falls as result of the NO2 affecting the groups cognitive abilities.
I'm creating narratives that fit the facts. Ryan has pointed out that the rad tests have no easy explanation. Wrt the ravine four i do think they died under the snow between 2 and 3 metres deep and found within an arms length of the den. The ball lightning theory isn't dead yet... kewl1
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Bingo?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-75_Dvina (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-75_Dvina)"Wide-scale deployment started in 1957, with various upgrades following over the next few years.""The V-750 is a two-stage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multistage_rocket) missile consisting of a solid-fuel booster and a storable liquid-fuel upper stage, which burns red fuming nitric acid (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_fuming_nitric_acid) as the oxidizer and kerosene as the fuel.""One version, the SA-2E, mounted a 295 kg (650 lb) nuclear (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon) warhead of an estimated 15 kiloton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TNT_equivalent) yield or a conventional warhead (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warhead) of similar weight."
Ok so where are you going with this?
Regards
Star man
Good question :)
The natural source theory (potassium) for the tests on the ravine 4 has to be an outlier. But if the radiation is man made then the water test shows that the most probable scenario is (very) high levels at the time of the DPI event. So there is no moderate artificial contamination scenario, it's either natural (unlikely) or high levels that are very difficult to explain as occupational.
and there's good evidence of electro magnetic phenomena, no2/nitric acid exposure and the snow being unusually warm.
and the Soviets had SAM missiles that could have been fitted with low yield nuclear warheads as well as conventional.
So the narrative could be that in the cold war paranoia of the period they saw a massive object on radar hovering over the Urals and sent one of more SAM's in. Maybe they'd been reading comics about alien invasion...
Maybe the first SAM had a conventional warhead and when that didn't work they escalated.
If the missiles exploded in front of the western side of the ridge it would shelter the tent and the forest from the blast. But the wind would carry radioactive dust / NO2 or nitric acid over the tent area.
So it's a narrative that connects a lot of seemingly unconnected pieces of evidence which i like. It's still difficult to explain the rav4 deaths without damage to the trees. Maybe that was ball lightning... kewl1
Then they told Ivanov to cease investigating and closed the case when they had all the bodies closing the area for several years.
I see. You are combining the two theories. In my low yield nuke theory I havent really considered the reason why a nuke would be detonated there. Just suggested it could be a test. But from the research you have done it seems that the technology was already there. A test does seem A strange reason. Some kind of foul up or mistake would be more likely for the nuke theory. A misleading radar signature. Possibly. Maybe thought it was an attack? There are reports of near misses where radar signals were mistakenly interpreted as an attack by the west and they came close to a launch. Scary really.
The injuries could be explained by falls as result of the NO2 affecting the groups cognitive abilities.
I'm creating narratives that fit the facts. Ryan has pointed out that the rad tests have no easy explanation. Wrt the ravine four i do think they died under the snow between 2 and 3 metres deep and found within an arms length of the den. The ball lightning theory isn't dead yet... kewl1
The ball lightning theory isn't going to die and neither will any of the others until there is further hard evidence. Like I said I would still only give the nuke theory 5:1 odds.
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Bingo?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-75_Dvina (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-75_Dvina)"Wide-scale deployment started in 1957, with various upgrades following over the next few years.""The V-750 is a two-stage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multistage_rocket) missile consisting of a solid-fuel booster and a storable liquid-fuel upper stage, which burns red fuming nitric acid (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_fuming_nitric_acid) as the oxidizer and kerosene as the fuel.""One version, the SA-2E, mounted a 295 kg (650 lb) nuclear (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon) warhead of an estimated 15 kiloton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TNT_equivalent) yield or a conventional warhead (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warhead) of similar weight."
Ok so where are you going with this?
Regards
Star man
Good question :)
The natural source theory (potassium) for the tests on the ravine 4 has to be an outlier. But if the radiation is man made then the water test shows that the most probable scenario is (very) high levels at the time of the DPI event. So there is no moderate artificial contamination scenario, it's either natural (unlikely) or high levels that are very difficult to explain as occupational.
and there's good evidence of electro magnetic phenomena, no2/nitric acid exposure and the snow being unusually warm.
and the Soviets had SAM missiles that could have been fitted with low yield nuclear warheads as well as conventional.
So the narrative could be that in the cold war paranoia of the period they saw a massive object on radar hovering over the Urals and sent one of more SAM's in. Maybe they'd been reading comics about alien invasion...
Maybe the first SAM had a conventional warhead and when that didn't work they escalated.
If the missiles exploded in front of the western side of the ridge it would shelter the tent and the forest from the blast. But the wind would carry radioactive dust / NO2 or nitric acid over the tent area.
So it's a narrative that connects a lot of seemingly unconnected pieces of evidence which i like. It's still difficult to explain the rav4 deaths without damage to the trees. Maybe that was ball lightning... kewl1
Then they told Ivanov to cease investigating and closed the case when they had all the bodies closing the area for several years.
I see. You are combining the two theories. In my low yield nuke theory I havent really considered the reason why a nuke would be detonated there. Just suggested it could be a test. But from the research you have done it seems that the technology was already there. A test does seem A strange reason. Some kind of foul up or mistake would be more likely for the nuke theory. A misleading radar signature. Possibly. Maybe thought it was an attack? There are reports of near misses where radar signals were mistakenly interpreted as an attack by the west and they came close to a launch. Scary really.
The injuries could be explained by falls as result of the NO2 affecting the groups cognitive abilities.
But this is the Soviets own territory. And its also a very remote part of Russia with no Military bases etc, in the area. So I dont think it would be any kind of false alarm. And the extraordinary Injuries to Dubinina in particular could not have been caused by a fall at the Ravine.
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Bizarre or what. Are you now suggesting that the Soviets fired Nuclear Weapons at ALIENS. Or should I say that without any real means of deciding if they were friend or foe the Soviets just LOBBED NUKES at them.
I grew up in the Cold War (in the UK). If attacked there would just be 4 minutes.
Well you are not the only one who came through those times. I think it was longer than 4 minutes though. Even with the Soviet Submarines off the coast of Britain it would have take longer than 4 minutes for any Missiles to reach us.
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Bingo?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-75_Dvina (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-75_Dvina)"Wide-scale deployment started in 1957, with various upgrades following over the next few years.""The V-750 is a two-stage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multistage_rocket) missile consisting of a solid-fuel booster and a storable liquid-fuel upper stage, which burns red fuming nitric acid (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_fuming_nitric_acid) as the oxidizer and kerosene as the fuel.""One version, the SA-2E, mounted a 295 kg (650 lb) nuclear (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon) warhead of an estimated 15 kiloton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TNT_equivalent) yield or a conventional warhead (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warhead) of similar weight."
Ok so where are you going with this?
Regards
Star man
Good question :)
The natural source theory (potassium) for the tests on the ravine 4 has to be an outlier. But if the radiation is man made then the water test shows that the most probable scenario is (very) high levels at the time of the DPI event. So there is no moderate artificial contamination scenario, it's either natural (unlikely) or high levels that are very difficult to explain as occupational.
and there's good evidence of electro magnetic phenomena, no2/nitric acid exposure and the snow being unusually warm.
and the Soviets had SAM missiles that could have been fitted with low yield nuclear warheads as well as conventional.
So the narrative could be that in the cold war paranoia of the period they saw a massive object on radar hovering over the Urals and sent one of more SAM's in. Maybe they'd been reading comics about alien invasion...
Maybe the first SAM had a conventional warhead and when that didn't work they escalated.
If the missiles exploded in front of the western side of the ridge it would shelter the tent and the forest from the blast. But the wind would carry radioactive dust / NO2 or nitric acid over the tent area.
So it's a narrative that connects a lot of seemingly unconnected pieces of evidence which i like. It's still difficult to explain the rav4 deaths without damage to the trees. Maybe that was ball lightning... kewl1
Then they told Ivanov to cease investigating and closed the case when they had all the bodies closing the area for several years.
I see. You are combining the two theories. In my low yield nuke theory I havent really considered the reason why a nuke would be detonated there. Just suggested it could be a test. But from the research you have done it seems that the technology was already there. A test does seem A strange reason. Some kind of foul up or mistake would be more likely for the nuke theory. A misleading radar signature. Possibly. Maybe thought it was an attack? There are reports of near misses where radar signals were mistakenly interpreted as an attack by the west and they came close to a launch. Scary really.
The injuries could be explained by falls as result of the NO2 affecting the groups cognitive abilities.
I'm creating narratives that fit the facts. Ryan has pointed out that the rad tests have no easy explanation. Wrt the ravine four i do think they died under the snow between 2 and 3 metres deep and found within an arms length of the den. The ball lightning theory isn't dead yet... kewl1
Well Investigators have to explore all avenues. All the Theories have to be considered. It may well be that there are several Theories involved in this Dyatlov Mystery. Several Events and not just one Event that caused the Groups demise. Maybe Ball Lightning was a factor or was present at the time of the Event or Events. Hopefully more light will be shed on the situation after the new Investigation.
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Bizarre or what. Are you now suggesting that the Soviets fired Nuclear Weapons at ALIENS. Or should I say that without any real means of deciding if they were friend or foe the Soviets just LOBBED NUKES at them.
I grew up in the Cold War (in the UK). If attacked there would just be 4 minutes.
Well you are not the only one who came through those times. I think it was longer than 4 minutes though. Even with the Soviet Submarines off the coast of Britain it would have take longer than 4 minutes for any Missiles to reach us.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-minute_warning
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Could be relevant to this theory, this piece from the book :-
Deev posted his private correspondence with someone under the nickname "Lorelei". Lorelei claimed she heard this story from a man who was in a field expedition near Otorten in 1959: In 1959, he participated in a geological prospecting expedition. ... In mid-January they were sent to the Lozva Valley. Their base camp was located five kilometers to the east of the foot of Mt. Otorten. ... About February 4-5, three of them reached the foot of Mt. Kholat-Syahl. Near the tree line they saw people lying on the snow. They came closer. Five dead bodies lay side by side, exactly five. Without outerwear. What struck them was the color of the corpses' skin. ... It was orange tone with a copper tint. There were many footprints around. Having returned to the base camp, they decided to send a radiogram. They got a reply that the authorities had been informed and the proper measures taken. They were instructed to stay away. The geologists did not follow the advice. They returned. And there were people waiting for them. Right at the edge of the forest. Some tough guys. The geologists were escorted back to the base and questioned. ... Everybody from the expedition had to sign a non-disclosure agreement. ... When they came to the place a second time ... they noticed one thing in the distance - four people on the slope were holding a sort of stretcher, only larger, while two others were shoveling snow onto it, and from the bottom the snow poured as through a sieve. This construction was slowly moving along the slope towards the forest.107
Lobatcheva, Irina. Dyatlov Pass Keeps Its Secret (pp. 133-134). Parallel Worlds' Books. Kindle Edition.
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Could be relevant to this theory, this piece from the book :-
Deev posted his private correspondence with someone under the nickname "Lorelei". Lorelei claimed she heard this story from a man who was in a field expedition near Otorten in 1959: In 1959, he participated in a geological prospecting expedition. ... In mid-January they were sent to the Lozva Valley. Their base camp was located five kilometers to the east of the foot of Mt. Otorten. ... About February 4-5, three of them reached the foot of Mt. Kholat-Syahl. Near the tree line they saw people lying on the snow. They came closer. Five dead bodies lay side by side, exactly five. Without outerwear. What struck them was the color of the corpses' skin. ... It was orange tone with a copper tint. There were many footprints around. Having returned to the base camp, they decided to send a radiogram. They got a reply that the authorities had been informed and the proper measures taken. They were instructed to stay away. The geologists did not follow the advice. They returned. And there were people waiting for them. Right at the edge of the forest. Some tough guys. The geologists were escorted back to the base and questioned. ... Everybody from the expedition had to sign a non-disclosure agreement. ... When they came to the place a second time ... they noticed one thing in the distance - four people on the slope were holding a sort of stretcher, only larger, while two others were shoveling snow onto it, and from the bottom the snow poured as through a sieve. This construction was slowly moving along the slope towards the forest.107
Lobatcheva, Irina. Dyatlov Pass Keeps Its Secret (pp. 133-134). Parallel Worlds' Books. Kindle Edition.
How credible is this though? Could just be fabricated for the book?
Also if there was a nuke and they were only several km away they would have seen and heard it .
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Could be relevant to this theory, this piece from the book :-
Deev posted his private correspondence with someone under the nickname "Lorelei". Lorelei claimed she heard this story from a man who was in a field expedition near Otorten in 1959: In 1959, he participated in a geological prospecting expedition. ... In mid-January they were sent to the Lozva Valley. Their base camp was located five kilometers to the east of the foot of Mt. Otorten. ... About February 4-5, three of them reached the foot of Mt. Kholat-Syahl. Near the tree line they saw people lying on the snow. They came closer. Five dead bodies lay side by side, exactly five. Without outerwear. What struck them was the color of the corpses' skin. ... It was orange tone with a copper tint. There were many footprints around. Having returned to the base camp, they decided to send a radiogram. They got a reply that the authorities had been informed and the proper measures taken. They were instructed to stay away. The geologists did not follow the advice. They returned. And there were people waiting for them. Right at the edge of the forest. Some tough guys. The geologists were escorted back to the base and questioned. ... Everybody from the expedition had to sign a non-disclosure agreement. ... When they came to the place a second time ... they noticed one thing in the distance - four people on the slope were holding a sort of stretcher, only larger, while two others were shoveling snow onto it, and from the bottom the snow poured as through a sieve. This construction was slowly moving along the slope towards the forest.107
Lobatcheva, Irina. Dyatlov Pass Keeps Its Secret (pp. 133-134). Parallel Worlds' Books. Kindle Edition.
How credible is this though? Could just be fabricated for the book?
Also if there was a nuke and they were only several km away they would have seen and heard it .
Yes could be nonsense. The book discounts it. It's an anonymous source from someone posting on the internet. But there is the fact that one of the documents pertaining to the DPI was dated 6th Feb (from memory). This is commonly explained as a typo. Another fact is that some bodies could have been turned after death.
Witnesses saw a flash walking home from the cinema.
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Bizarre or what. Are you now suggesting that the Soviets fired Nuclear Weapons at ALIENS. Or should I say that without any real means of deciding if they were friend or foe the Soviets just LOBBED NUKES at them.
I grew up in the Cold War (in the UK). If attacked there would just be 4 minutes.
Well you are not the only one who came through those times. I think it was longer than 4 minutes though. Even with the Soviet Submarines off the coast of Britain it would have take longer than 4 minutes for any Missiles to reach us.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-minute_warning
Apologies. I was thinking in terms of time from launch of a missile to impact.
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&combining with actual outer S’PACE objects: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/mar/18/meteor-blast-over-bering-sea-was-10-times-size-of-hiroshima?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
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&combining with actual outer S’PACE objects: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/mar/18/meteor-blast-over-bering-sea-was-10-times-size-of-hiroshima?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Actually a meteor air burst is a possibility.
Regards
Star man
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&combining with actual outer S’PACE objects: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/mar/18/meteor-blast-over-bering-sea-was-10-times-size-of-hiroshima?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Actually a meteor air burst is a possibility.
Regards
Star man
Why is a Meteor Air Burst a possibility ! ?
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Actually a meteor air burst is a possibility.
Regards
Star man
Why is a Meteor Air Burst a possibility ! ?
It's a possible explanation. A meteor air burst is a high energy event capable of creating a blast that could damaged the tent and caused panic. It unlikely but it is a possibility.
Regards
Star man
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&combining with actual outer S’PACE objects: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/mar/18/meteor-blast-over-bering-sea-was-10-times-size-of-hiroshima?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Actually a meteor air burst is a possibility.
Regards
Star man
Why is a Meteor Air Burst a possibility ! ?
It's a possible explanation. A meteor air burst is a high energy event capable of creating a blast that could damaged the tent and caused panic. It unlikely but it is a possibility.
Regards
Star man
Well I would say that the Tent wasnt exactly damaged in the way we could expect from such an explosion ! Cuts or Rips dont really say damage form a Meteor air burst, do they ?
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&combining with actual outer S’PACE objects: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/mar/18/meteor-blast-over-bering-sea-was-10-times-size-of-hiroshima?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Actually a meteor air burst is a possibility.
Regards
Star man
Why is a Meteor Air Burst a possibility ! ?
It's a possible explanation. A meteor air burst is a high energy event capable of creating a blast that could damaged the tent and caused panic. It unlikely but it is a possibility.
Regards
Star man
Well I would say that the Tent wasnt exactly damaged in the way we could expect from such an explosion ! Cuts or Rips dont really say damage form a Meteor air burst, do they ?
A blast could have created enough force to damage previous repairs. Again it's unlikely.
Regards
Star man
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&combining with actual outer S’PACE objects: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/mar/18/meteor-blast-over-bering-sea-was-10-times-size-of-hiroshima?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Actually a meteor air burst is a possibility.
Regards
Star man
Why is a Meteor Air Burst a possibility ! ?
It's a possible explanation. A meteor air burst is a high energy event capable of creating a blast that could damaged the tent and caused panic. It unlikely but it is a possibility.
Regards
Star man
Well I would say that the Tent wasnt exactly damaged in the way we could expect from such an explosion ! Cuts or Rips dont really say damage form a Meteor air burst, do they ?
A blast could have created enough force to damage previous repairs. Again it's unlikely.
Regards
Star man
Was there specific mention of details re previous repairs to that Tent.
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&combining with actual outer S’PACE objects: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/mar/18/meteor-blast-over-bering-sea-was-10-times-size-of-hiroshima?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Actually a meteor air burst is a possibility.
Regards
Star man
Why is a Meteor Air Burst a possibility ! ?
It's a possible explanation. A meteor air burst is a high energy event capable of creating a blast that could damaged the tent and caused panic. It unlikely but it is a possibility.
Regards
Star man
Well I would say that the Tent wasnt exactly damaged in the way we could expect from such an explosion ! Cuts or Rips dont really say damage form a Meteor air burst, do they ?
A blast could have created enough force to damage previous repairs. Again it's unlikely.
Regards
Star man
Was there specific mention of details re previous repairs to that Tent.
Yes. From what I understand they spent a fair bit of time sewing the tent to repair holes/tears.
Regards
Star man
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&combining with actual outer S’PACE objects: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/mar/18/meteor-blast-over-bering-sea-was-10-times-size-of-hiroshima?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Actually a meteor air burst is a possibility.
Regards
Star man
Why is a Meteor Air Burst a possibility ! ?
It's a possible explanation. A meteor air burst is a high energy event capable of creating a blast that could damaged the tent and caused panic. It unlikely but it is a possibility.
Regards
Star man
Well I would say that the Tent wasnt exactly damaged in the way we could expect from such an explosion ! Cuts or Rips dont really say damage form a Meteor air burst, do they ?
A blast could have created enough force to damage previous repairs. Again it's unlikely.
Regards
Star man
Was there specific mention of details re previous repairs to that Tent.
Yes. From what I understand they spent a fair bit of time sewing the tent to repair holes/tears.
Regards
Star man
Yes I have heard that said, but I was wondering if we have any more specific information i e actual descriptions of the parts of the Tent that were supposed to have been repaired ? Important for any of the Theories regarding the tent.
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I don't think the location or description of known repairs exist in the case files, but there are diary entries stating they indeed made repairs to the tent.