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trekker:
My first explain to this tragic incident was slab avalanche and escape down to woods to make fire and snow den. I have started to consider one of many possible explanations. One worth considering is splitted group (7 persons at the tent, Yuri Doroshenko and Yuri Krivonischenko go down to collect firewood), emergency in firewood collecting group, signaling emergency to tent and rescue mission from tent. That would explain:


1. Yuri Doroshenko's burned hair, gray foam on cheek, right armpit bruise, bite in the back of right palm, blood on ear, nose and lips
2. Cedar branches cut from the general direction of the tent
3. Zolotaryov's camera and pictures
4. Reason to leave tent

Possible reconstruction:
1. Dyatlov group encamp and two Yuris descent to collect firewood.
2. Yuris encounter emergency situation. Simplest possible emergency would be lost contact and exact direction to tent due to darkness and snowstorm, which cover their tracks back to tent.
3. They try to go back to tent, but without exact direction, lost track in deep snow.They became desperate and make fire. They try to contact tent group. Without flashlight only possible means is by fire.
4. There is no direct line of sight from fireplace to tent. They have to get higher ground either by going some 500 m towards tent or climbing to cedar.
5. They make preparations for signalling by torch. They cut off branches of the cedar so that climbing with torch is easier and they can be seen from the tent.
6. Yuri Doroshenko climb to cedar with torch. He needs both legs and hands to climb. How he carry burning stick of wood? By his mouth. Yuri get his hair burned from the torch. Yuri's saliva get dyed to gray from charred torch and his gray saliva drip to his cheek from open mouth (because the torch is between his teeth, so that he have both hands free to climb).
7. Yuri manage to climb cedar and torch is still burning. In the climbing he get bruises to his face, ears, nose and lips. Yuri waves torch to general direction of the tent and graps to cedar with only one hand. His grip starts to weaken due to cold. He wrap his right arm over to branch and got injuries to his right armpit. His grip is still weakening, so he decide to lock his right arm to branch by biting his numb right palm.
8. At last Yuri got answer from darkness by flashing light from the tent. Yuri's heroic task is done. He climb down to tree and they wait to regroup with their comrades.
9. Group from the tent decide to make quick rescue mission. Semyon Zolotaryov see the lights, take his camera and take pictures. Those tiny light dots in the pictures are actually torchlight from the cedar 1500 m away.
10. Tragic events unfold and the entire group perish.
11. 25 days between perish of the group and founding of the tent. Wild animals smell the food left on the tent and rip their way in and out (cuts from inside) of the tent. Dyatlov group did not cut the tent.

trekker:
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ash73:
Hi, welcome to the forum.

The problem with all "the Yuris went to collect firewood" theories is they walked a mile without shoes, warm clothes and wood cutting tools, which makes no sense.

The signalling idea is interesting, given the lantern was switched off, but it could equally have been their attackers.

Missi:
Hi trekker, welcome. :)

As ash said, the missing clothes and tools contradict the theory of just collecting wood.

Some other problems I find in your theory:

* You mention the wood seekers losing their tracks. Then again you say they got lost in deep snow. Tracks in deep snow aren't that fast to cover up, even by snow and wind, I daresay.
* The gray foam on the cheek of Doroschenko is probably the result of an edema (the reason is probably hypothermia, some other theories suggest other reasons)
* The one with the bitten hand was not Doroschenko but Krivonischenko (the other Juri).
* Why would you go on a rescue mission without shoes and proper clothing?
* The cuts in the tent (as I recollect) are confirmed as being cuts and rips, the cuts being attributed to knives. Animals usually don't bring knives. Plus the mountain is called dead mountain by the locals because it lacks game to hunt, which decreases the possibility of animals finding the tent.
The signaling is a nice idea, the circumstances can't be right, though.

Tony:
There's no doubt that Yuri K. and Yuri D. were at the camp fire but they were probably there with, at least, Sasha Z. Kolevatov, Lyuda, and Thibeaux-Brignolle. Footprints show that all 9 descended in a group together and it is highly probable that Yuri Doroshenko was at the rear and the last person to descend the slope. The climbing of the tree is very bizarre. I do think that they climbed the tree to look back at the tent. Why is anyone's guess. The only thing that would contradict this is the moon did not rise that night until ~2:30 making it almost impossible to see anything (if you ever been in the woods on a night without a moon).

As others already pointed out, it doesn't make any sense to walk 1500 meters in socks to collect firewood. The cedar is also some distance from the tree line where they could have also found firewood. This doesn't even take into account that searchers found firewood to the rear of the tent and that, it seems, the group never planned on setting up the stove that evening.

It's possible that the grey foam on cheek is the result from a fall (possibly from the tree). It's also probable that the burns are the result of being being moved by the others near the campfire after death.

It seems that something is always trying to be made of Semyon's photos but there is absolutely nothing distinguishable in any of the frames. The first photo from his roll could have very well been light leaks while loading the film. In any case, it is impossible to conclude anything from his photos. Also, taking a photo of a tiny torch fire from 1500 meters away would result in zero exposure of anything. He would have to let the shutter remain open for several minutes to get any type of exposure on something so small so far away. Even then, it would be nothing more than a small dot the size of a pinhead. Small dots on a print from film could be anything from scratches to dust.

It also seems odd that the rest of the group would stage a rescue mission without shoes or heavy coats.

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