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Murder Indead
Marc:
Yes, indeed_ all of this could be as you say. I personally do not rule out any theory (except for those ridiculous alien and yeti theories) but having read most of them and trying to imagine a realistic situation- and i still cant get over - these young people were killed by other people. It's surprising to me that most of these authors who propagate avalanches and weather phenomena don't open their minds more to this possibility.
Having said that, I am not at all convinced that these were killers with military training or a military background. The brutal nature of the injuries suggests more of a random and relatively poorly thought out strategy. The position of the bodies and the injuries are highly likely to have been caused by cruel and relatively unpremeditated killers. It is possible that the original goal was not to kill. But after what happened, of course, the killers must have realized that there would be a large-scale investigation, and therefore they tried to hide their tracks as much as possible or they didn't care to hide them and weather conditions and time partly did it.
Perhaps some kind of cultural conflict, personal grudge or a random chance meeting at the wrong time in the wrong place that escalated into a horrific sequence of events. There can be strange coincidences in life.
Marc:
Thinking a little more. I am aware that many people try to delve into the past of hikers, possible connections with intelligence agencies, etc., in great detail to find clues to what happened. It is possible, but I do not particularly believe in any grand conspiracy, or state involvement. Most of the hikers were very young people and more dedicated to hiking than anything else.
Rather, I have the feeling that something simpler happened there, but the likelihood of which is not high. The Dyatlov Pass incident could easily be one of those low-probability incidents in life. Why do I mean low-probability? Because 99.99% of people do not kill another person (much less a group of people), even if you offend them, enter their territory or do not like their cultural views or personal behavior, etc. But it could have happened during the hike somewhere and somehow.
The incident happened in a relatively remote area. Other hikers or local hunters do not roam around there at night. Even if there was someone in the camp relatively close, they do what the Dyatlov group does - prepare the camp for the night.
My gut feeling is that something happened during the hike that gave someone a reason to follow the Dyatlov group and wait for a certain moment. It could have been hours before or even days. As I said before, it is entirely possible that the initial desire was not to kill, but to beat and sow fear. Why did it all turn into such a tragedy? We can speculate about this for decades to come - there are, as we know, an endless number of possibilities.
Relatively experienced hikers run out of their tent at night, gather together after the first fright, and move hundreds of meters away from the tent into the night, without proper shoes or clothes! I don't think any weather phenomenon, avalanche (of which we also have no evidence) could do that. To me - only hostile people with hostile intentions would explain such behavior.
I don't think the intruders followed them to the cedar. They didn't have to. They were just making sure the hikers couldn't get back to the tent. Maybe they waited there for a few hours and then decided the risk was too great. So, they followed the hikers' tracks and found them in different places and in different states of health. And that's where things escalated into a horrible sequence of events.
It seems that some members of the Dyatlov group tried to get back to the tent. Maybe they didn't hear anything from the tent anymore and took a chance. Apparently it was a desperate attempt, where fear of strangers no longer played a big role, because what was the chance of surviving without clothes and shoes?
Of course, all speculation.
ahabmyth:
People talking about leaving the tent after say - a slab slide, not enough to collapse the tent though but could have put strain on the buttoned door. The result of which is having to cut their way out. In doing so the wind would play a factor by either billowing or collapsing neither of which would feel pleasant. So a decision is made.
People also mention about trained killers and making the group freeze to death. All I can say about this is for what reason and to say that its possible to follow people for days (dont forget Igor took a different route) and be just as cold as the group was, to eventually take over their tent with no fire ( unless of course the killers made them go down to the Cedar and fetch them some firewood) IMHO I dont think its in the realms of possibility.
Per Inge Oestmoen:
--- Quote from: ahabmyth on July 01, 2025, 04:37:12 AM ---People talking about leaving the tent after say - a slab slide, not enough to collapse the tent though but could have put strain on the buttoned door. The result of which is having to cut their way out. In doing so the wind would play a factor by either billowing or collapsing neither of which would feel pleasant. So a decision is made.
People also mention about trained killers and making the group freeze to death. All I can say about this is for what reason and to say that its possible to follow people for days (dont forget Igor took a different route) and be just as cold as the group was, to eventually take over their tent with no fire ( unless of course the killers made them go down to the Cedar and fetch them some firewood) IMHO I dont think its in the realms of possibility.
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The theories of snow slabs and avalanches have been fully disproven. We can exclude these possibilities.
I encourage you to ask yourself: Why do you believe that the scenario that the killers chased the nine out in the cold is unlikely?
To chase people out in the cold was the most intelligent way to accomplish a killing without creating suspicion.
The reason why the nine were killed with such force, is that there was a sudden rise in temperature during the night between February 1 and February 2, 1959. That is documented in Svetlana Oss' book "DON'T GO THERE: True mystery of the Dyatlov Pass". In my opinion Svetlana Oss has it totally wrong when it comes to the actual identity of the killers, and she is mistaken about the details about the way they were killed. She blames the Mansi. But the Mansi were silenced in a very smart way when they were first investigated and then left off the hook - a silent warning that evidence would be produced if they ever told what they knew. The Russian secret police (KGB) were certainly aware that the Mansi were in the area and understood what had happened. Therefore their silence had to be ensured.
We are talking about the most merciless, brutal but also the most sophisticated force known in all of human history. The nine unfortunates had observed something somewhere along their route, and had to be killed. They had to be expedited in such a way as to make it seem like an accident, because the nine were resourceful people and loyal Soviet citizens who had to be eliminated because they were at the wrong place at the wrong time.
In Russia, human life has always been cheap. The Bolsheviks were the spiritual heirs of Catherine the Great, Ivan the Terrible and Peter the Great and the rulers before them. Dictatorship and the elimination of those who might be perceived as a threat to the State is an integrated feature of Russian culture. We may not like it, but that is the way it is.
sarapuk:
--- Quote from: Per Inge Oestmoen on October 31, 2025, 04:19:00 AM ---
--- Quote from: ahabmyth on July 01, 2025, 04:37:12 AM ---People talking about leaving the tent after say - a slab slide, not enough to collapse the tent though but could have put strain on the buttoned door. The result of which is having to cut their way out. In doing so the wind would play a factor by either billowing or collapsing neither of which would feel pleasant. So a decision is made.
People also mention about trained killers and making the group freeze to death. All I can say about this is for what reason and to say that its possible to follow people for days (dont forget Igor took a different route) and be just as cold as the group was, to eventually take over their tent with no fire ( unless of course the killers made them go down to the Cedar and fetch them some firewood) IMHO I dont think its in the realms of possibility.
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The theories of snow slabs and avalanches have been fully disproven. We can exclude these possibilities.
I encourage you to ask yourself: Why do you believe that the scenario that the killers chased the nine out in the cold is unlikely?
To chase people out in the cold was the most intelligent way to accomplish a killing without creating suspicion.
The reason why the nine were killed with such force, is that there was a sudden rise in temperature during the night between February 1 and February 2, 1959. That is documented in Svetlana Oss' book "DON'T GO THERE: True mystery of the Dyatlov Pass". In my opinion Svetlana Oss has it totally wrong when it comes to the actual identity of the killers, and she is mistaken about the details about the way they were killed. She blames the Mansi. But the Mansi were silenced in a very smart way when they were first investigated and then left off the hook - a silent warning that evidence would be produced if they ever told what they knew. The Russian secret police (KGB) were certainly aware that the Mansi were in the area and understood what had happened. Therefore their silence had to be ensured.
We are talking about the most merciless, brutal but also the most sophisticated force known in all of human history. The nine unfortunates had observed something somewhere along their route, and had to be killed. They had to be expedited in such a way as to make it seem like an accident, because the nine were resourceful people and loyal Soviet citizens who had to be eliminated because they were at the wrong place at the wrong time.
In Russia, human life has always been cheap. The Bolsheviks were the spiritual heirs of Catherine the Great, Ivan the Terrible and Peter the Great and the rulers before them. Dictatorship and the elimination of those who might be perceived as a threat to the State is an integrated feature of Russian culture. We may not like it, but that is the way it is.
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[That's a lot of speculation in one post. What if the unknown force was not human? ]
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