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Lev was correct, The tent is the answer.

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eurocentric:

--- Quote from: Tim on February 10, 2020, 04:16:55 AM ---For 40,000 years man has used animal skins to canvas and modern light weight materials to shelter under. In all the world Wars combined there has never been a tent found where it has been cut from the inside. It is a mechanism built into the human DNA not to do what The Dyatlov group had to do unless an of emergency. So what was so urgent? They cannot see through the canvas, they cannot see more than 10 feet in this snow blizzard when looking out the entrance, besides it is critical they keep that entrance buttoned up in this swirling wind to prevent a gust from blowing the tent apart. All other theories slowly fade away when logic over an emotional attachment to a theory are released.  The report from the scene was "A light dusting of snow on the tent". The photo shows chunks of  measurable snow on the tent not a LIGHT dusting.  In all fairness, the group has not even been found yet and everybody's  the adrenaline is pumping.  Lev was looking for more concrete evidence within the tent not the simplest of logic. So when do use ever use a knife inside of a tent? When something is on top of you, such as the barrier wall that  they had to build or suffer a tent malfunction in the raging winds. A honest misinterpretation of the evidence at the tent was made. The snow piled against the front entrance was part of that barrier wall because this was the most vunerable of spots on any tent. The evidence of that barrier was ice blasted off the tent from those gale force  swirling winds but there are some chunks that did survive.

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I think it's a mistake to automatically assume they had to do this urgently, as in an emergency, when one cannot be evidenced at or near the tent, or to apply an experienced rationality to their behaviour which they would only have if their physiological selves were operating within optimum conditions.

Hypothermia affects brain function, and physical coordination. It generates confusion, depression, amnesia and can also cause hallucinations. It's perfectly possible that the tent slashing, with cuts in all directions, was due to confusion, either through not understanding how to leave or finding tent flap buttons too fiddly with fumbling fingers (the hypothermic 'umbles' of mumbles, grumbles, stumbles and fumbles), or because they had been hiding under a felled and snow-covered tent, cutting their way out from being laid horizontal in order to stand, unable to organise 9 people shuffling out sideways.

Hiding underneath canvas and snow would explain how Igor's torch was found on top of 4 inches of snow on the tent and yet they didn't take what they needed if simply pinning a tent down before they left when unaffected by the cold. The snow on the tent looked identical in clumpy form to the trench spoil around it, remaining in situ because it was trodden on and compacted, and could not possibly later fell a tent half cut open when most of it would otherwise fall inside. Their assembly 50 yards away does not chime with any emergency evacuation either.

Everything to me suggests a much slower departure, one slowed down by the effects of the environment and its temperatures while partly-dressed and without heating. They do a roll call, and then walk in single file, playing follow-my-leader, with one set of tracks, perhaps the most affected by the cold, meandering, and what is their objective - to seek warmth and shelter by lighting a fire in a forest.

Going back to the dawn of man, early man would not have been as reckless as to attempt to sleep near an exposed 3000ft mountaintop in -40C windchill. He has always sought better shelter, either in the lowlands, forests or caves. Our set of hikers were doing something, and compared to today with technologically primitive materials, which these days would earn them an ignominious 'Darwin Award', like someone falling off a high rise when trying to take a risky selfie.

mk:

--- Quote from: Ting on July 16, 2020, 09:23:35 AM ---How many blankets reached the Cedar tree ? ...

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Interesting question.   Mihail Petrovich Sharavin, one of the rescuers who was early on the scene and there for the discovery of the Yuris under the cedar tree, insists that there was a blanket covering the two Yuris.

(Quotes below are from the interview on this site: "Transcript of the conversation with the representative of the "CENTER for Civil Investigation of the Dyatlov Tragedy" Elder (AK) and the representative of the "Dyatlov Foundation" Y. Kuntsevich (YK) with rescuer M. Sharavin (MSh)" 

"This is why Yuri had the idea that while we found the tent and the first bodies of the 27th, someone visited the site besides us. For example, the brown blanket that was covering the bodies was no longer there. We claim that they were covered with a brown blanket, and then it disappeared, it turned out to be in the tent. It was at cedar and then ended up in a tent. And when they began to sort things out in the tent and found it there. Who moved it there?"

"In one book it says that we didn’t find the cedar, but allegedly Brusnitsyn with someone, this can't be true, because it is not something that you forget, we were the first to go together, there was nobody else there, with Yuri Koptelov. We walked side by side, went down together and literally 10 meters, or 15, before reaching the cedar, we saw something black, because the blanket was on top, it was not covered, it stood out. We approach and immediately... then we began to observe. We see traces of the fire, and the fire was on the same side [of the cedar] from which the guys were lying, and some branches were broken, we could see this."

MSh: They were within 2.5 m from the cedar, on the same side where the fire was near the cedar. They lay.
Navig: From the side of the tent?
MSh: No, on the opposite side, in the direction of the place where they found the rest in the ravine. And the fire was behind the cedar if you look from the side of the tent. And this is due to the fact that the wind then blew from the side of the tent and cedar protected from wind.
Navig: And who could cover them with a blanket?
MSh: Now, if we stick to our version, then we believed that Kolevatov, who was still alive, covered them, but Yuri believes that there may be groups that worked there to clean up, if we concider this version and maybe they were covered after they died. Although there are many perplexing questions because there are injuries incompatible with life just for the guys below.
Navig: А вот про ледоруб, это все-таки был их ледоруб или нет?
MSh: The ice ax was definitely theirs.
Navig: In the tent, quilted jackets were under the blankets or on top?
MSh: The quilted jackets were under the covers, first the skis lay below, then the backpacks, then the quilted jackets, then the blankets.
Navig: Were the blankets spread out or crumpled?
MSh: No, they were spread out. When we initially made our way in, we removed the snow, of course we did not completely clear it."

"At the floor [of the tent] everything was laid so carefully, nothing was turned upside down, they were just preparing for an overnight stay, nothing was amiss. Skis, quilted jackets lay down there ... backpacks, then quilted jackets ... blankets were spread like this ... So, what did we find? We didn’t even make out this far corner, it was so caved in... we looked at this part. Flashlight? Well, Slobtsov says that we found a flashlight there on the top ... Most likely, this was the case, but somehow I did not remember this. ... All that I say is reliable."

Not sure what to make of all this, myself, but it seemed at least partially relevant to your thoughts.

Nigel Evans:
If the blanket stood out because it wasn't covered in snow then it had been very recently laid there (within 24hours?). So i'd opt for some sort of miscommunication within the rescue party.

soni123:
I have searched several time regarding the actual proof like, the monsters or the tent or any kind of circumstantial evidences. However except the tent environment there was no solid proof of stating such kind of bold statement.

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