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February 15, 2022, 12:50:53 AM
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Last 3 years I’ve been deep in the rabbit hole, many of you have been there deeper and longer. I’ve read your comments and the unbelievable amount of work within this forum. I’ve read other forums, too. Finally I’m going to open my mouth about some issues relating to this mystery. (If I make mistakes in my text, that’s because of my 1-year-old cat, who takes this investigation very seriously and likes to type with my keyboard. He has his own opinion about the case, and that opinion is MEOW).

First of all; I have been a sceptic about “the tent was cut from inside,” since the day I first read this analysis. I have a polytechnic degree of designing clothes, making patterns and I have a variety of sowing textiles whatsoever. This includes everything from designing and making wedding gowns to upholstery inside and outdoors. In my opinion: there is no way to know surely, if the tent was cut from inside. Just figure this out: after the tent was found, the searchers cut their way in to find out, if there were any people inside. These new cuts were never marked properly or investigated and the tent was eventually DRAGGED to helicopter over the rocks and snowy mountain.

The seamstress said, that the cuts were made inside the tent and we all have believed that ever since. C’mon, how could you tell anything about a tent, that was already violated by the searchers, dragged and then put to be photographed in a string? The searchers had axes, if I recall that right, and there is no any explanation why “the woodpeckers” would have cut the tent so much to escape. You need only one big hole to get everybody out. This issue has been debated in this forum before, I know.
Secondly; the tent wasn’t their own tent, it was borrowed from the school. I’ve wondered, why-how-when the tent was altered from two tents to one bigger tent? Why was that done; no bigger tents were available? This means a lot of hand-made work in those days, and I assume, that somebody in the school gave permission to do this kind of alteration.  With this fact: in those days YOU DON’T mess up with your equipment, which is/are borrowed from a school or an institution. It means that you get in trouble very soon when you come back, so the “mutilation” of the tent is just… it doesn’t fit. Rockets, Yeti, UFOs? Whatever!

I have read the “1079” and the tree-falling theory is plausible and reasonable. I just think that there is no final explanation to this mystery. As #sarapuk always says, there is no evidence enough. We all are just stucked with our opinions in our own holes and need a little new perspective to things. This case gets to your mind like a glue, and it is god-damn annoying. (Fortunately the-big-cat is sleeping, errors will be on me).     
 

February 15, 2022, 04:30:02 AM
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Игорь Б.


In my opinion: there is no way to know surely, if the tent was cut from inside.
Если бы вы ознакомились с экспертизой палатки, то вы бы знали, что кроме разрезов на ткани были обнаружены царапины и частичные надрезы нитей с внутренней стороны палатки. Нож перед разрезом сначала царапал и немного надрезал нити ткани. Нанести такие повреждения ножом снаружи палатки невозможно.
The answers to all the questions related to the death of Dyatlov group:
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=110407
Evidence of the death of the Dyatlov group from the Wolverine chemical weapon:
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=69286
 

February 16, 2022, 06:07:21 PM
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HellNo. Yes there is not enough evidence. it appears that there is much missing evidence. That means that more evidence may come to light.
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February 16, 2022, 08:17:22 PM
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Hellno, hello! I share your concerns about the tent, or is it two tents? The hikers used a stove. A stove requires a vent. This requires a cut in the tent. This was not their property.
If Teddy is right, should the tent show evidence of tree damage on the outside? Should there not be blood on the inside? Too, it seems the stove was not damaged. Why not use the stove to start a fire next to the fallen branch to warm the victims? There was said to be wood in it. On the other hand, the photograph of the discovered tent shows the sides buried in snow blocks. There is snow blocks on top of the tent, yet everyone says it was a blizzard, where is the drift?  Finally, we are told the tent was closed and the hikers cut their way out. It is peculiar that the footprints suggest they scattered, then regrouped to trek 45 minutes to the forest edge and beyond to the infamous cedar. If the ground shook and the hikers feared a slab avalanche,  the damage to the tent and all else seem reasonable, if unfortunate.
 

February 17, 2022, 04:02:31 AM
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There is another thread about the tent, so I apologize starting a new one at my beginning. There is so much things to think about and with all the information circulating around, I just posted some of my thoughts to begin with.

GlennM; I’ve thought about the tent belonging to the school. The stove was an invent of Igor Dyatlov’s and he was a well known character and leader of the sport club’s other hikes. Maybe they gave him permission to alter the tents together with a stove hole too, because that would mean “a greater good for all the pupils,” if other groups would also benefit the altered tent and maybe even the stove borrowed on later treks. I think that was the idea in those times; to make something for the whole community and this kind of work would be approved by the scholars of the school. Why the stove was never used…  yeah. I remember that there was one log inside, but the stove was not installed and found eventually in a backpack inside the tent. Maybe it was going to be installed.

I don’t believe at all of the snow slab theory. The tent, when found, proves this impossible with the skis standing beside it and the tent’s shape being in order (meaning: it stayed on the skis under it and was not moved with the snow downwards). The fear of snow slab: that is plausible. The serious damages to the victims is though impossible to happen on the hill, they couldn’t have moved themselves and would suffer great pain even to move them anywhere at all. Do you cause any more harm to your friends in terrible pain? Hell, no.

There is no any reliable reason to think, that Igor Dyatlov would be so stupid after his other hikes, that the tent was put to the hillside. All the videos you have shared show these unbelievable conditions in Kholat Syakhl (thank you all for these videos).
Explanations to “staging” the tent seams reasonable, because we can’t truly understand how it was to live in Russia those days. After all the information given to us, you could lose your family, job and freedom for a minor reason or even a suspect of it.

With Igor B’s theory: I’ve read about your theories, although it is very hard to follow (even with a translator), so this work continues on by my side. This theory would explain perfectly the yellow markings on the victims and their clothes, which I have wondered. In Finland we don’t have those animals, so I’m not an expert and I will check this theory further. I would also be pleased, if my opinions wouldn’t be ignored right away, because the evidence material is very biased and controversial by the Russian authorities. I’m not here to insult people in any way, and I’m open to any theories.

Tree falling on the tent: Fortunately in my yard are huge trees around it: the trees are birches, pines, oaks, rowans and spruces. I know as a fact, that these trees have grown at least from the year of 1952, because the house was build back then. These trees are HUGE; believe me, one of them is large enough, that I can’t get my arms properly around it (I’m a small woman, though, under 160 cm). These trees are truly 20-30 meters tall and the branches are 3-5 meters long. If that kind of a tree falls to your tent, you just get stucked under your tent with injuries and the branches with needles will also just fall over it. The branches are heavy too, they will make injuries as well, but propably won’t cut the tent. That would need a broken, sharp branch to cut the canvas while falling. I’ve dragged some of this kind of branches myself from the road after falling, and they are seriously heavy. 
   
It would be plausible: you are in a serious trouble after this kind of big and old trees. I always fear about our powerlines and even an electricity company sent us some people to cut out branches around the line. This place is so old, that the powerlines are still with a pole, not underground, as usual in Finland. I’ll try to post pictures of these trees, when I learn how to do that. I suck with computers and they (computers…) truly know that.

I also made tests about walking in socks a year-two years ago in the snow. I live in the southern Finland, so the tests are not comparable in those Russians mountains, but we have a large, open area on the left of our house. My sock-walking made huge pits in the deep, frosty snow (about 80 cm deep) and they lasted that way a few months, when there was minus degrees for a long time period. I didn’t photograph those, silly me. (In this winter that is not possible, the weather being 0 degrees Celsius on and off. Maybe next week, there will be minus degrees again?) Maybe I should take photos now and see the next week also, just to experiment the weather changes in prints anyway…

When there is a storm coming, this area of ours make a hell-break-loose anyway. We had our metallic-made round pavillion (with a roof) to go flying in the air at one time, and that wasn’t a cheap version of a pavillion. There were metal structures, heavy as hell, and the thing just flew several meters in the air against a fence. It truly FLEW high in the air. I saw it from the window and couldn’t believe my eyes. Yeah, it got ruined. The structures within it were bended from the force and the impact. Any welders, here, hmm?

So, the forces with the wind in that mountain… I can somehow understand that without actually visited the mountain, so there is no explanation for Dyatlov’s decision to put the tent there. I believe everyone, who has ever visited the mountains and been in awful situations: it is not a reasonable decision to put the tent there.

The tent had to be elsewhere and the situation with the treeline was logical. There was shelter from the winds and water to boil from the streams.  I’ll concentrate my opinions to specific topics forward after this topic, so there will be no extra-made topics with a newcomer. Feel free to answer these thoughts, though, without hesitation.
 
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February 17, 2022, 05:24:52 AM
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So, the forces with the wind in that mountain… I can somehow understand that without actually visited the mountain, so there is no explanation for Dyatlov’s decision to put the tent there. I believe everyone, who has ever visited the mountains and been in awful situations: it is not a reasonable decision to put the tent there.
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Borzenkov: I would like to share my experience from another trek. The weather was fair, we even had sun, and there was only a small cloud on the horizon. We went 1-2 km to reach the pass. The walls of the gorges in the area are close to vertical, 50-400 m (150-1200 ft) high. For a few minutes we were confronted by a blizzard creating a 2-2.5 m (8 ft) wall of snow, and the wind blew so strong it prevented going not only against it, but also at an angle of its direction. Then I noticed something curious; when I lifted my ski pole upwards piercing through the snow, I could still see the sun. There were no clouds in the sky. If the blizzard remains undetected the forecast for the area was still sunny. We had to pitch our tent and wait for two days for the weather to improve. We had to find a place not more than 50-100 m (150-300 ft) wide to descent from the plateau. To find it we needed normal visibility. It was hard to see.
https://dyatlovpass.com/chivruay-incident-2?rbid=18461

С дятловцами случилось то же самое.
The answers to all the questions related to the death of Dyatlov group:
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=110407
Evidence of the death of the Dyatlov group from the Wolverine chemical weapon:
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=69286
 

February 17, 2022, 08:49:24 AM
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Hellno, thank you for a thoughtful answer and your experimental efforts with the snow prints. Like most other people, we can take the evidence and reports only so far, then something stops adding up This is why there are so many alternative explanations.

I too wonder about the snow slip. If indeed the hikers cut their way out of the tent while at 880, it would be out of real fear. The evidence suggests they cut out, scattered in several directions regrouped and descended to the forest. For sake of arguement, could it be possible that perhaps a few conspirators wrapped their boots in cloth and carried the tent, akis etc up to 880, made camp, then ran about and backtracked down slope in their own foot steps? A sock may not show a clear heel strike, yes? So, the sock print could be either coming or going.

I judge the fallen branch theory as suspect. Who would rescue them, if not themselves? Where is crush damage to personal property? Why no photo of it? It would certainly warrant it! Why would anybody want to do a cover up? It was supposedly natural.

I judge the snow slip theory questionable for reasons like yours. If snow crushed the tent, why not clear it and return to the tent? Who is going to abandon their safety and supplies in the wilderness? It is not reasonable. I wonder about the rescue photo of the tent. Could those skis been from the rescuers and used for scale, or even nothing at all?  Why do I see no cut marks on the tent? The rescuers stopped for a smoke? I think not.

There is a suggestion that an aircraft spotted the tent. Where does that lead?   Finally. When I consider all the effort to rescue the victims, their medical exams, the investigations and burials, it seems that everyone involved was doing their best. It is just too easy to paint Russian authorities as evil self centered alcoholics. That is a popular Western trope.

 

February 17, 2022, 10:39:33 AM
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With Igor B’s theory: I’ve read about your theories, although it is very hard to follow (even with a translator), so this work continues on by my side. This theory would explain perfectly the yellow markings on the victims and their clothes, which I have wondered. In Finland we don’t have those animals, so I’m not an expert and I will check this theory further.
I'm pretty sure there are wolverines in northern Finland.
 

February 17, 2022, 11:06:55 AM
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I live in the southern part, and have never seen those animals. The northern part of Finland is like another country to us idiots in the south. This is a fact, not an insult. They know the wilderness in the north and are experts answering that. And yes, there is no  icebears in Finland, as is usually asked by the foreigners and tourists. And no penguines, which live on the Antarctic.  bang1 
 

February 17, 2022, 01:58:26 PM
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Игорь Б.


А что насчёт финских слонов?
https://youtu.be/WzPiD8wNPT0?t=12
The answers to all the questions related to the death of Dyatlov group:
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=110407
Evidence of the death of the Dyatlov group from the Wolverine chemical weapon:
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=69286
 

February 25, 2022, 12:22:49 PM
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Well,
hello again, Igor B. Yep, there were elephants in Finland with the circus business all around in Europe in the 1900's. The pre-findings about mammoths and all of that doesn't belong to that, I think? 

I can translate your texts with Google, but please, if you are a guru with this case, translate your text to us all to see, if I may to ask. Or just say, that it is not important to think us with english language.
 

 
   
 

February 25, 2022, 07:42:37 PM
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Игорь Б.


The answers to all the questions related to the death of Dyatlov group:
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=110407
Evidence of the death of the Dyatlov group from the Wolverine chemical weapon:
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=69286
 

February 25, 2022, 11:10:04 PM
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Yep, got it...! It took a while, because all of my nine penguines have run away...  lol2 Such a mess, but clearly they've made a pattern escaping the hill. Two of them wore shoes, hmm... (just joking, also).